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Time Lord Victorious
What would you say your cut-off point for that is? What mental conditions would you be willing to accept, if any?
Anything, but the stupid.
What would you say your cut-off point for that is? What mental conditions would you be willing to accept, if any?
Um, what? How do you know God doesn't want the abortion to happen? If the abortion happened.. couldn't you just say God wanted it to happen since the woman actually has the power to get it?I am religious and I believe the fetus will not be born if God doesnt want it to, so pregnancy and birth is his way of getting a soul on earth.
I don't see why this is relevant. If I was aborted, I simply wouldn't be here. There would be no me to complain.Even if you do not believe in God, killing an unborn child is killing it's one chance at life, since if YOU are reading this, you did not get your chance terminated so why do it to someone else
I will not abort my wife's unborn child, but if my sister or aunt, friends wants to get one, that is their choice and is not my concern. I will advise against it but I will support the choice they make for themselves.I honestly don't understand how people can make those statements about how they are 'pro-life', yet support mothers being able to abort babies from rape. Could one such person please answer this?
Even with rape, you still shouldn't kill the baby. Instead, if you don't want the child, put it up for adoption for someone who does.I'm too lazy to read everyone's posts, so I'm just gonna throw my two cents in. This is a topic that really gets me thinking. Personally, I am a Christian. Not an overly religious person, but I do believe in God and it influences the way I live. Hence, I am pro-life. I understand many of the pro-choice arguments, and they are very good ones. Shouldn't a woman have the right to control what takes place in her body? Yes. But in most cases, sex is a choice and a risk, and everyone does know it can result in pregnancy. Now, this is where I hit a grey area. Rape obviously isn't a choice, and I am kinda in the middle on that one. I personally believe the fetus is alive at conception, but when it comes to law, I'm not really sure who's decision this is to make. This is one of those topics that I just can't come up with a clear cut answer for because you have to take so much into account. I am biased in that my Christian views do sway my opinion in how the government should handle it. But then again, separation of church and state kinda negates that. Overall, I am pro-life, but I can understand both sides of the argument.
Now when it comes to government health care paying for abortions, I am definitely in opposition of that. I'm opposed to almost all government health care/medicare/aid/welfare/social security etc. in general; but in the case of abortions I very much oppose hard earned taxpayer money being put toward something that so many people are very much against. Especially in the case of the poor. I'm not trying to pick on the poor or anything, but it's pretty simple--don't have sex, and you won't wind up with a baby (discounting rape). Many Americans like myself do not want their hard earned money going toward abortions for the impoverished.
You couldn't win an argument in General Pokémon Discussion, and you won't be winning here anytime soon.
I'm fine with abortion. I don't think it is a good thing nor do I think it is bad. I think if the woman doesn't want to be a mother, then she doesn't have to be.
Um, what? How do you know God doesn't want the abortion to happen? If the abortion happened.. couldn't you just say God wanted it to happen since the woman actually has the power to get it?
I don't see why this is relevant. If I was aborted, I simply wouldn't be here. There would be no me to complain.
I think it is convenient how you ignored the reason for that rule, which was the continued existence of black market organ sales.This is going to be a looooooong debate if you seriously think this can't be used.
The violinist analogy contains at least one error that cripples its effectiveness. Someone has kidnapped the woman in this analogy. I'm glad you recognize that it is most similar to rape, but the analogy should only apply to rape, because the general case of being pregnant does not involve the woman being the victim of an illegal action.Personally, I don't care if you consider a zygote or a fetus to be "human." What I beg to question is whether the life of that fetus takes precedence over a woman's right to choose what happens inside her own body.
You seem to have ignored what I actually said in my OP. A fetus is both human and alive. Sperm are human reproductive cells, but they are not a human (they lack a full set of human genes).I agree with this - finding an exact moment where "life begins" is just silly. That's why I like Thompson's argument so much - it can work on the grounds that "life begins at the moment of conception" (or hey, erection) if that's what you want, as ridiculous as it is to call a zygote or sperm a person. Her point is that whether it's a person or not, a woman should still get to decides what happens inside her body.
Some people argue that abortion is about he woman's right to choose, yet many seem uncomfortable allowing them to have a bigoted reason for making the choice to abort. Indeed, you yourself appear to be uncomfortable with this. It cannot be the fundamental right of a woman to choose until she makes the choice for a bigoted reason.And BigLutz...I really don't follow your argument. People can be forced to endure hard lives for all kinds of reasons. Just because you try to "eliminate" homosexual people (because that's always worked out so well), doesn't mean you won't still get transgender or cisgender people, for instance. But we're also becoming a society that's for more accepting of those differences.
Just to let you know, the Supreme Court made it illegal to require a husband to be notified before an abortion. This means he doesn't have to have any say in he matter at all. The couple could agree to have a child, then the woman could decide later on that she just doesn't want it. The husband has no legal recourse. This is wrong.Abortion of a fetus conceived from careless unprotected sex is dangerous, irresponsible, and ridiculous IMO, but it's still not anyone's choice to make aside from the mother (and for the father to maybe have input in, depending). People are allowed to have opinions and dislike what someone else does with their life, but I think the line should be drawn when they try to moderate what they do with their bodies -- and as long as the kid's still in there, it's still part of her body.
I might not fall into the classification you mention, because I don't think abortion in the case or rape is really a good thing. I would answer that since the woman is a victim, it would be hard to argue that the government must criminalize abortion in that case. This is especially true since, as I recall, pre-Roe Texas law allowed abortion in cases of rape. I'm not going to say that is definitely something that a mother should do. I'm not convinced that all abortion is murder, even though some of it clearly is unjustified, premeditated, intentional killing of a human. Basically, in cases of rape, it is hard to argue that abortion is definitely not justified.I honestly don't understand how people can make those statements about how they are 'pro-life', yet support mothers being able to abort babies from rape. Could one such person please answer this?
If you consider the unborn to be alive, a person, all that, then why should you agree that women should be able to get away with what you would at any other time have called murder? Would you think it's right for a woman to kill her three year old just because his scumbag of a dad had been sick enough to rape his mother? The only difference there is the passage of time, provided you agreed with the first clause.
If one considers abortion to be murder, it just seems so strange to me that anyone agreeing with that statement would then say, "Except if the father was a rapist, anyway. Then it's fine."
You could easily replace this with, "If I found out that my child was going to be gay, it's getting aborted." Just like BigLutz's point.If I found out that my child was going to be retarded, it's getting aborted.
I think it is convenient how you ignored the reason for that rule, which was the continued existence of black market organ sales.
As it turns out, someone responded right before I could anyway.GhostAnime said:I'll respond later
I have to say that the OP kind of annoys me in that all it does is talk about whether or not something in the womb is human and if killing it is right. What it ignores entirely is does a woman have the right to dictate what happens to he body?
Even with rape, you still shouldn't kill the baby. Instead, if you don't want the child, put it up for adoption for someone who does.
Try this one for simple logic. a woman in Imagineville wants to have an abortion, how does it effect you or me over in Faraway?
OK my wife decides to have an abortion. How does it affect you in Sweden?