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The Great Big Abortion Debate (READ THE FIRST POST!)

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Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
LOL Naw I'll tell you how it affects you. Not in the least. If my wife has an abortion the only way you'd know is if we said something about it. Then it might only get a "Bummer" from you if that.

Thus my point is, it is none of our concern whether women get abortions unless it is directly involving you or I.
 
You know how much I respect you, so I'm sure you understand I'm not taking a stab at you over this. That being said:

You can't really pull the "its a private matter that doesn't concern you so kindly butt out" card on this one. Your choice to abort obviously doesn't affect me in the sense that I'm not at risk of being aborted. It also isn't an issue for me and my wife. If/when my wife gets pregnant again she would never abort it, most especially without my consent (probably even with my consent). In those senses, yes another persons's abortion doesn't affect me. But it does effect me and it is my business in several ways.

It affects me personally in the sense that legalized abortions in general mean that my grandchildren might just be aborted. As a father yourself I'm sure you can understand how that could be of issue to others.

It also is my business in the sense that I feel strongly that I have a responsibility to defend innocent human life when I see it threatened. I witnessed a kid getting kicked and beaten by a group of hooligans a few years ago. I could not have walked away and not yelled at the kids while calling 911. My conscience would not have allowed me to do anything else and live with myself. I don't know your personal stance on when human life begins or when that human life obtains the many different human rights, but as for me, because I believe life begins at conception and receives those human rights at conception, I cannot help but vote, lobby, and speak out in opposition to abortion. I see the issue as a case of an innocent life being murdered. I have to do something.

While the individual cases may be very personal in nature, (I will admit that), that's no reason that people who are not directly involved with the individual cases should not have a say in whether or not abortion should be legal or what restrictions should be put on it.
 
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Bill Nye the Sneasel Guy

Well-Known Member
LOL Naw I'll tell you how it affects you. Not in the least. If my wife has an abortion the only way you'd know is if we said something about it. Then it might only get a "Bummer" from you if that.

Thus my point is, it is none of our concern whether women get abortions unless it is directly involving you or I.

A person on the other side of town is smothered and buried under the floorboards. You didn't know the person, it doesn't change your life in any way aside from that you now obviously don't have a chance to meet the deceased. You're not going to find out about it unless the person tells you, for whatever reason.

So it's none of your concern if someone is murdered unless it directly involved you, right?

Yet that doesn't mean that murder should be legal.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
A woman body is her business. Should we jail her if she decide to abort the child, or put her under chain and on probation for the risk that she planning to abort? Does anyone wish to stop a woman, who is a complete stranger, and restrain her in order to get the baby deliver that take 9 months to happen? If you can convince a woman not to abort the child, more power to you. But if you can't, you got two choices. Stop her by force, or walk away.

People talk about abortion is wrong, but there a lot of thing wrong in this world that is even worse than abortion.
 
For me the debate is not so much an issue of whether it is wrong or right (I believe it's wrong) but of whether or not the government should be able to get involved. Overall I am pro-life, but I really can understand both sides. Having a very conservative/libertarian way of thinking, I certainly want the government to stay out of my business as much as possible.
 

raticate7

Well-Known Member
A woman body is her business. Should we jail her if she decide to abort the child, or put her under chain and on probation for the risk that she planning to abort? Does anyone wish to stop a woman, who is a complete stranger, and restrain her in order to get the baby deliver that take 9 months to happen? If you can convince a woman not to abort the child, more power to you. But if you can't, you got two choices. Stop her by force, or walk away.

People talk about abortion is wrong, but there a lot of thing wrong in this world that is even worse than abortion.

Well its the guys child. you are commiting murder on a defenceless fetus. It's wrong to abort a child because you messed around and got pregnant. You play you pay.
 
Well its the guys child. you are commiting murder on a defenceless fetus. It's wrong to abort a child because you messed around and got pregnant. You play you pay.

I very much agree that people need to be more responsible with their sexual actions. Sex is a choice (yes, there is rape, but that is a very minuscule portion) and people know that it causes reproduction. I think people should definitely start having some more self control instead of resorting immediately to abortions.
 

raticate7

Well-Known Member
I very much agree that people need to be more responsible with their sexual actions. Sex is a choice (yes, there is rape, but that is a very minuscule portion) and people know that it causes reproduction. I think people should definitely start having some more self control instead of resorting immediately to abortions.

Abortion is the easy wrong but currently legal murder. I believe if you breed like rabbits you should have to give birth like rabbits and suffer the consequences. I agree with you to full because you reading this proves you weren't cheated out of life like aborted fetuses
 

Willow's Tara

The Bewitched
For the longest time I never knew where I stood with Abortion, it was always a area I wasn't sure about. But lately I have become more pro life is it? I guess being more against Abortion, perhaps it's because of the church I have been going to, and that it has changed my mind (Only because it has really made me think about abortion, where before I wasn't sure).

Now I understand it's the woman's right, it's her body and while she may able to, it doesn't mean I have to agree or think it's right to abort a child (I do agree it is her body though, but a little more on that in a second). I just don't like the idea of it really, I get it there are reasons that abortions can happen. I may know of two people who had to get abortion in my family, didn't make me love them less as they had their reasons. (And far as they know, I don't know anything about it).

Sometimes a unborn baby can be ill or make the mother really ill, and sometimes it has to be done. Now with Rape I still stand with a woman able to make the choice of aborting the child because of what happened to them. Once again it still doesn't feel right to make the child pay for the father's sin but it's not right to make a woman who is traumatized so much, to go through with it if she doesn't want to.


There is something that has always bothered me though, the way a woman thinks the father has no say at all with this. Unless it's a one night stand or a rapist, the father should get a say in it, I hate how the woman has to sound insensitive towards him, forgetting it's also his DNA. No honey it's not just your baby, it's the father's as well. Women don't like being told they don't have a right, so why can't a father have a right to say something about his DNA? (And let's not go blaming men as if they are the only ones who go on having sex and forget certain things, it takes two to tango).
I am not sure how it would be settled, but they should aleast be considered (Unless they are the one who raped them or slept with the woman as a one night stand. I am talking about couples etc) and be involved in the whole thing. It may be her body, but it's his baby as well. (Don't get me started how fathers seem to get the short end of the stick when it comes to families, but that's another topic).

I do still think it's her body though, so ultimately it is up to her to decide, but she could aleast consider the father, if he's a guy willing to commit in the decision.

So yeah, in some areas I am still two sided and trying to figure out where I would stand in the whole debate, while I am more pro life although I do believe a woman should be allowed to decide on her own, especially if it's under alarming reasons like rape or making either the baby or mother really ill.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
Well its the guys child. you are commiting murder on a defenceless fetus. It's wrong to abort a child because you messed around and got pregnant. You play you pay.

You planning to stop her by force? Say you meet a girl who is currently 2 week in already, she has every intention to abort the fetus, because the guy is a scum bag. You can say it murder or it wrong as many time as you want. But are you planning to put your own belief on the line and stop the girl who is aborting the fetus even by force?
 
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raticate7

Well-Known Member
You planning to stop her by force? Say you meet a girl who is currently 2 week in already, she has every intention to abort the fetus, because the guy is a scum bag. You can say it murder or it wrong as many time as you want. But are you planning to put your own belief on the line and stop the girl who is aborting the fetus even by force?

Yes she shouldnt have slept with the guy if she didnt want to become pregnant.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
Yes she shouldnt have slept with the guy if she didnt want to become pregnant.

Well more power to you then, let see if you can actually apply that when you meet a woman who is planning to abort a fetus and chain her down and lock her up for those 9 months taking away all her free will.
 

GhostAnime

Searching for her...
Even if abortion was illegal, it would still happen at the same near rate. It's practically impractical to make it completely illegal.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
Some people still think that voting will prevent a woman from abortion. That a laugh.
 

sizida

CoconutIsTheAnswer
there are things that abortions are needed.

- the woman is in danger of dying if giving birth to it.
- the child have health issues such as it has autism or signs of being disabled.
- woman having psychological issues.
- miscarriage

Does the fetus knows how to make rational decisions? maybe. but we don't know. when it comes to situation when the mother is in danger of giving birth, does the fetus has rights to be born? is abortion a inhuman procedure? geez. there is no rule in life that you can't do abortion. survival of the fittest. you will do anything to be alive, even if to kill the ones you love.
 

xDWarrior

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Abortion is the easy wrong but currently legal murder. I believe if you breed like rabbits you should have to give birth like rabbits and suffer the consequences. I agree with you to full because you reading this proves you weren't cheated out of life like aborted fetuses

So essentially if we want to have sexual intercourse we better want kids because that's what sex is for and we shouldn't do it for pleasure or for love?

Wow
 

raticate7

Well-Known Member
So essentially if we want to have sexual intercourse we better want kids because that's what sex is for and we shouldn't do it for pleasure or for love?

Wow

No, if you have sex you should be prepared for possibility of pregnancy, so if you get pregnant you obviously were aware of the risk and chose to take a chance.
 

raticate7

Well-Known Member
Well more power to you then, let see if you can actually apply that when you meet a woman who is planning to abort a fetus and chain her down and lock her up for those 9 months taking away all her free will.

Nope if she gets rid of it after hearing the rules if it were mad illegal she'd go to jail for murder
 
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