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The Great Big Abortion Debate (READ THE FIRST POST!)

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dd1zzle

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I can see why both sides have very good opinions.
I believe if the mother truly believe she isn't a good mother (such as Snooki), she should at least look into adoption for about 2 or 3 months or so, if nothing comes out right then she has every right to abort it.
 

Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
Yes she shouldnt have slept with the guy if she didnt want to become pregnant.

You probably live a very sheltered life, but let me give you a dose of reality. People have sex, and sometimes people there are unplanned pregnancies. Accidents happen. I know what you are thinking. "Why should I care if that person ruined their life?" You don't have to care, but you have no rights to impose your ideology onto them. If you think a fetus is the same as a baby, that's your belief. Beliefs are usually harmless, except when they infringe on someone else's belief. People like you think that they are so much better than everyone else, and that the government should force others into doing what they think is right. It's people like you that tried their hardest to keep women from voting and inter-racial couples from marrying.

Here's another way of putting this. Abortion prevents an unwanted person from being born. Think about that very closely. Why are people going out of their ways to bring an unwanted person into this world? It makes no sense. It's like inventing a machine that makes babies, and then after those babies are created, they are sent to random houses and orphanages for no reason.

EDIT: Pesky Persian made me aware of a post that I skipped:

Does the fetus knows how to make rational decisions? maybe.
You could argue that the age of consent starts at conception...
 
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raticate7

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You probably live a very sheltered life, but let me give you a dose of reality. People have sex, and sometimes people there are unplanned pregnancies. Accidents happen. I know what you are thinking. "Why should I care if that person ruined their life?" You don't have to care, but you have no rights to impose your ideology onto them. If you think a fetus is the same as a baby, that's your belief. Beliefs are usually harmless, except when they infringe on someone else's belief. People like you think that they are so much better than everyone else, and that the government should force others into doing what they think is right. It's people like you that tried their hardest to keep women from voting and inter-racial couples from marrying.

Here's another way of putting this. Abortion prevents an unwanted person from being born. Think about that very closely. Why are people going out of their ways to bring an unwanted person into this world? It makes no sense. It's like inventing a machine that makes babies, and then after those babies are created, they are sent to random houses and orphanages for no reason.

EDIT: Pesky Persian made me aware of a post that I skipped:

You seem to not understand we have responsibilitys sure you can have sex but when you do be aware of the decision you are making because you can become pregnant. Just because you made a mistake doesnt mean you can kill it thats wrong some people need to leave the closet and face responsibility that we all have to carry out.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
Nope if she gets rid of it after hearing the rules if it were mad illegal she'd go to jail for murder

Soooooo....... you not prepare to put your belief on the line.

Well, that tell me a lot. I would thought you prepare for an argument that you would try to convince her in every way possible to accommodate for the mother and take the child in as your own for her, or try to get the child a foster parent while accommodating the mother, no matter how stupid that idea would be and how much money you lose. While you took away all of her free will of course.

You certainly disappoint me.

Edit: Also, you keep saying murder and wrong like a broken record, but you definitely doesn't seem like the type who would do something about it.
 
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xDWarrior

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No, if you have sex you should be prepared for possibility of pregnancy, so if you get pregnant you obviously were aware of the risk and chose to take a chance.

If something goes wrong though that does not mean those participating in sex should have to endure the costs of pregnancy and a kid, especially if they don't have the means to do so.
 

raticate7

Well-Known Member
Soooooo....... you not prepare to put your belief on the line.

Well, that tell me a lot. I would thought you prepare for an argument that you would try to convince her in every way possible to accommodate for the mother and take the child in as your own for her, or try to get the child a foster parent while accommodating the mother, no matter how stupid that idea would be and how much money you lose.

You certainly disappoint me.

Ohh i put my beliefs on the line to be honest i have no idea what you are contradicting, yeah give it to a foster parent she had the baby but she will give a certain amount of money to support the baby and so will the father for the child in care not alot but enough to help, you on the other hand support killing unborn children.. you disapoint me
 
So essentially if we want to have sexual intercourse we better want kids because that's what sex is for and we shouldn't do it for pleasure or for love?

Wow

The solution is simple. Don't have sex if you don't want there to be the possibility of becoming pregnant. That's pretty easy. The abortion issue aside, the purpose of sex is reproduction.

If something goes wrong though that does not mean those participating in sex should have to endure the costs of pregnancy and a kid, especially if they don't have the means to do so.

It's not called "something going wrong." It's sex doing what it's supposed to do--conceive a human being.
 
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Diz~

Combat Specialist
Ohh i put my beliefs on the line to be honest i have no idea what you are contradicting, yeah give it to a foster parent she had the baby but she will give a certain amount of money to support the baby and so will the father for the child in care not alot but enough to help, you on the other hand support killing unborn children.. you disapoint me

You act like there will be a father there at all. You even fail to even convince a single would be mother at all with a mind set like that. It not like a stork coming in with the baby in a basket just so any foster parent can take care of it. It 9 months of pain with no love in it. Even if the fetus bear no sin, the mother will get rid of it regardless of law.

Your belief is weak due to the fact that you not gonna put in your time and your money for a woman who is about to bear a child in the next 9 months. You would not even bother to strap her down just so she would not do anything crazy to hurt the fetus to the point where she have no freedom until the child is born. This is why I said you would not do anything about it and did not put your belief on the line. It weak and pathetic.
 
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Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
killing unborn children
Is that an oxymoron?

The solution is simple. Don't have sex if you don't want there to be the possibility of becoming pregnant. That's pretty easy. The abortion issue aside, the purpose of sex is reproduction.

It's not called "something going wrong." It's sex doing what it's supposed to do--conceive a human being.

Most times when people have sex, they are not actively trying to make a baby. Saying that the purpose of sex is to reproduce is the same as saying that the purpose of eating cake is to get fat.
 
Most times when people have sex, they are not actively trying to make a baby. Saying that the purpose of sex is to reproduce is the same as saying that the purpose of eating cake is to get fat.

Dude, the purpose of sex IS reproduction. It always has been and always will be. I understand that people do it for other reasons. All I'm saying is that people need to understand that it all comes down to them. They decide if they are going to have a baby or not. Ultimately having sex is making that choice that you could become pregnant. If you don't want a baby, abstinence really isn't all that hard.

Edit: I know this does nothing for the abortion issue. But it does get to the root of the problem, and that is unwanted pregnancies. I know it won't happen, but I feel that abstinence is one of the best ways to make abortion less of an issue altogether.
 
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Diz~

Combat Specialist
Dude, the purpose of sex IS reproduction. It always has been and always will be. I understand that people do it for other reasons. All I'm saying is that people need to understand that it all comes down to them. They decide if they are going to have a baby or not. Ultimately having sex is making that choice that you could become pregnant. If you don't want a baby, abstinence really isn't all that hard.

I'm not gonna say ya wrong, but I do it for other reason if ya know what I mean. :D
 

raticate7

Well-Known Member
You act like there will be a father there at all. You even fail to even convince a single would be mother at all with a mind set like that. It not like a stork coming in with the baby in a basket just so any foster parent can take care of it. It 9 months of pain with no love in it. Even if the fetus bear no sin, the mother will get rid of it regardless of law.

Your belief is weak due to the fact that you not gonna put in your time and your money for a woman who is about to bear a child in the next 9 months. You would not even bother to strap her down just so she would not do anything crazy to hurt the fetus to the point where she have no freedom until the child is born. This is why I said you would not do anything about it and did not put your belief on the line. It weak and pathetic.

It's sad there are people that defend the person who decided to have sex and ignored the risk and is now trying to kill the baby. You yourself might aswell pull that little baby out and throw it in a fire. Can you tell me what is the difference from a baby 5 months in the womb and one just born? There isn't. Its sad and week of faith that you would even consider supporting the mother for killing a baby. The mother did not have to have sex so she should take care of the baby ask the would-be mother if she was still a fetus and her mother wanted to terminate her, what do you think she would say? She would say "No dont" so its very selfish to snuff out a babies chance life if you yourself wouldn't want to be killed as a fetus, when she couldnt keep her pants on. Explain to me how the mother is right? She isn't she is selfish and ignorant of what others feel like.
 

Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
Ultimately having sex is making that choice that you could become pregnant. If you don't want a baby, abstinence really isn't all that hard.
Cars can be very dangerous. Even if you wear your seat belt, you can still get killed. If you don't want to die, you should walk everywhere.

Can you tell me what is the difference from a baby 5 months in the womb and one just born?
Ooh! I know!
There isn't.
No. That's not it.

I got it! The baby is alive, and the fetus is just a fetus.
 

raticate7

Well-Known Member
Cars can be very dangerous. Even if you wear your seat belt, you can still get killed. If you don't want to die, you should walk everywhere.

Ooh! I know!
No. That's not it.

I got it! The baby is alive, and the fetus is just a fetus.

Are you saying a fetus isnt alive? Go back to biology class the come back.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
It's sad there are people that defend the person who decided to have sex and ignored the risk and is now trying to kill the baby. You yourself might aswell pull that little baby out and throw it in a fire. Can you tell me what is the difference from a baby 5 months in the womb and one just born? There isn't. Its sad and week of faith that you would even consider supporting the mother for killing a baby. The mother did not have to have sex so she should take care of the baby ask the would-be mother if she was still a fetus and her mother wanted to terminate her, what do you think she would say? She would say "No dont" so its very selfish to snuff out a babies chance life if you yourself wouldn't want to be killed as a fetus, when she couldnt keep her pants on. Explain to me how the mother is right? She isn't she is selfish and ignorant of what others feel like.

Your belief is weak. Just get over it. You can keep saying it over and over, but the fact is. You not preparing to put your time and money into a stranger who was rape that wish to abort a fetus before life decide to come out. You never even took the account of rape.

Also if you consider a fetus alive, then you must take into account of a man's sperms as being alive too since the woman only have the egg for the sperms to go into. The sperm does move around with some form of consciousness of it own. So every time you beat off, you basically just kill hundreds, or thousands of potential babies and only one winner or a couple if there a tie can get into that egg that a woman have, or maybe none of them at all will get in that egg. So in other word, not only is your belief weak, you also a hypocrite and a mass murderer of your own seeds.

Mind blowing isn't it?
 

raticate7

Well-Known Member
Your belief is weak. Just get over it. You can keep saying it over and over, but the fact is. You not preparing to put your time and money into a stranger who was rape that wish to abort a fetus before life decide to come out. You never even took the account of rape.

Also if you consider a fetus alive, then you must take into account of a man's sperms as being alive too since the woman only have the egg for the sperms to go into. The sperm does move around with some form of consciousness of it own. So every time you beat off, you basically just kill hundreds, or thousands of potential babies and only one winner or a couple if there a tie can get into that egg that a woman have, or maybe none of them at all will get in that egg. So in other word, not only is your belief weak, you also a hypocrite and a mass murderer of your own seeds.

Mind blowing isn't it?

Haha, we are passed rape. Rape is a different story if you read up on my posts. You keep saying my belief is weak but I believe a fetus that has been fertilized is now alive. YOU are weak for buying into her choice. NO the child has not even had a chance to breathe and you kill it. It's terrible and evil to kill something to gain advance in your own life. Rape... fair enough it was not your choice to have sex so abort it, but if you abort a child that you concieved on irresponsibility your a murder and evil. This is what i basicly here from you-(Mwuhaha I Got pregnant having irresponible sex now im gonna go kill it and have sex again Mwuhaha I'm execting of aborting alot of babies and then getting away with it Mwuahaha) You basicly just said to me its ok not to be responisible and you can got tap anything you want. You are wrong GET OVER IT. My faith is weak? You cant justify murder can you? But abortion is pretty much murder so you cant even back up what you say.
 
Cars can be very dangerous. Even if you wear your seat belt, you can still get killed. If you don't want to die, you should walk everywhere.

I agree. And I take that risk every day. But I use the car what it was intended for. To drive somewhere, on a road, being very careful. I don't use it for something it wasn't meant to be used for, like, say street racing. And pregnancy is a positive risk. At least, it is supposed to be be, it's just been turned into a negative by people having sex purely for enjoyment. Taking the risk of being killed, on the other hand; the positive outcome is getting where you want to go and the negative is being killed. Comparing death to pregnancy really doesn't do much. I understand what you are saying, I just wish it wasn't so gosh darn hard for me to explain what I'm trying to say.
 
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Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
Are you saying a fetus isnt alive? Go back to biology class the come back.
No more alive than a tree.

Also if you consider a fetus alive, then you must take into account of a man's sperms as being alive too since the woman only have the egg for the sperms to go into. The sperm does move around with some form of consciousness of it own. So every time you beat off, you basically just kill hundreds, or thousands of potential babies and only one winner or a couple if there a tie can get into that egg that a woman have, or maybe none of them at all will get in that egg. So in other word, not only is your belief weak, you also a hypocrite and a mass murderer of your own seeds.

Mind blowing isn't it?
You're talking about genocide! I must impregnate every man, woman, and child out there to make sure my sperm doesn't go to waste!
 
Some people still think that voting will prevent a woman from abortion. That a laugh.
What's a laugh is denying that making abortion either illegal or hard to obtain doesn't have an immediately noticable effect on abortion rates.
The Supply Side Economics of Abortion said:
consider abortion rates just before Roe v. Wade. In 1971–1972, abortion was effectively legal in five states: Alaska, California, Hawaii, New York, and Washington. In 1971–1972, there were 27,793 abortions performed in New York in residents of Illinois, an annual rate of 5.9 abortions per 1000 female Illinois residents 15 to 44 years of age (see map
Rate of Abortions (per 1000 Women 15 to 44 Years of Age) Performed in New York in Residents of Each State, 1971–1972.
) — but the rate of abortions performed in New York in Connecticut residents was almost twice as high, 10.3 per 1000, and the rate among New Jersey residents was more than 2.5 times as high, 15.2 per 1000.
Even if abortion was illegal, it would still happen at the same near rate. It's practically impractical to make it completely illegal.
Not only would it happen much less often, I'd personally be more than happy that those murderous mothers would mame and harm themselves in the process, just as I'd be more than happy if any murderer harmed themselves in their pursuit of murder.
 

raticate7

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No more alive than a tree.

Well ok if the tree is as alive as the fetus the fetus is being killed thus then and therefor its murder
 
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