For the last time, if you don't agree with the rules stated in this thread, stop posting in it. As you can see below, a fetus is alive, human, a separate entity from the mother and isn't a parasite. It cannot be determined if it's sentient or not and an arbitrary boundary for when it is, well, arbitrary.
actually, the human fetus is a parasite:
"As a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B, HCG and INDOLEAMINE 2, 3-DIOXYGENASE --- so her body doesn't kill it, and it can continue stealing her nutrients to survive, and causing her harm or potential death."
http://galerouth.blogspot.com
And the article about the human fetus being non-sentient:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...es-the-fetus-feel-pain-uk-report-says-no.html
Finally, pregnancy isn't torture in normal cases. Some women actually want to have children, so it can't be that excruciating.
That's moot to a fetus being scientifically a parasite and to woman not wanting to be pregnant --thus, getting abortions.
PREGNANCY CAUSES HARM:
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
And we're talking about sperm being used for fertilisation without consent being illegal, unless anyone wants to fight something like that too. Any word about the father's choice or responsibilities in different situations?"
What are you talking about? The man has no property rights over the fetus because he has no rights over the woman's body .... slavery is unconstitutional.
I support male abortion, a man's right to legally remove himself from all responsibility towards his biological child.
Since a parasitic relationship must be between two organisms of different species, a fetus is not a parasite. Also, parasites usually enter the host from outside
while a fetus is born from reproductive cells—one of which is the mother's own.
“When individuals of the same species parasitize individuals of the same species, they are referred to as intraspecific parasites.”
http://krohde.wordpress.com/article/parasitism-an-introduction-to-xk923bc3gp4-51/
a zygote ( foreign invader) is formed from a man's sperm, a foreign invader.
A fetus isn't taking energy from its host, and in fact the mother's body helps nourish the fetus. The relationship between a parasite and its host is fundamentally different from the one between a mother and offspring.
So pregnancy osteoporosis doesn't exist in your world?
The sole purpose of calling a fetus a parasite is to make it sound like it has done something worthy of death, which is self-serving and revisionist. A fetus is offspring, and offspring are not parasites of their mothers.
Really, I thought calling the human fetus a parasite, is being intellectually honest --- because science proves it.
This is a terrible choice, pro-choicers overvalue the reputational productive life of the woman, as they believe destroying a chance of a succesful career and physical scars is worse than torture.
ACTUALLY, pro-choicers live in reality and we know that a healthy women + wanted pregnancies = healthy babies and that will lead to a more healthier society in later on.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/fetus-feels-pain-37-weeks-study/story?id=14472566 ---watch all the videos on this page to see why.
how many children with rad syndrome do you want?
how many abused children or children killed by their parents, do you need?
the last thing a woman who has a unwanted pregnancy needs is to remain pregnant.
Pro-lifers overvalue the life of every single thing and undervalue a the actual possibility that the forcibly non-aborted child will have a happy life. Truth is, if you look at risk analysis, most individuals growing up in an unloving family and a bad neighbourhood will far too many times end up miserable for far too many times in their life.
First of all, pro-lifers don't care life because all of you would of joined the green movement and fight for cleaner food, water and air... we have some of the worst environmental standards in the world --- and I doubt you gave one pregnant stranger a water filer, yet.
SECOND, you don't care about the life of the fetus, because you won't be there to help a pregnant stranger for her pregnancy, labor and delivery, and 18+ of child rising --- you just care about your morality over her.
THIRD, abortion is not about a child growing up --- but a woman wanting to remove her unwanted, human parasite from within HER body.
@blackpepper: I quoted the first post that state the rules, if you don't like them, don't post here. Make your own topic.
REALLY, prove that I broke serebii . net rules --- I just replied to your unscientific claims that a fetus is not a parasite, using science to prove that a fetus IS a parasite.
DON'T GET PISSY WITH ME, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PROVE ME NOR THE SCIENCE WRONG.
But what if it's not a human... Genius! And so the two sides were born.
I never said that the human fetus wasn't human.... it's just a parasite -- prove the science wrong.
Because our political parties are especially known for vetoing everything so they remain strong and they don't move towards 'center', losing any more extremist voters, I strongly oppose distinctive sides, each revelling in their splinter factions pf extremity. But I also detest grey areas where freedom is a dangerous thing. In the grey, the law cannot punish those that go just op the border with the black and spit at it, pardon my drama.
I don't care about politics, just science and law ---abortion existed before America was country and will be here on this earth way after america is gone.
But just like the moral dilemma with smokers using health insurance to treat their lung cancer, we shouldn't allow women to ask for an abortion when they didn't have the responsibility to take contraception. Everything prohibited by law is to try to prevent harm to people, their financial security, their health, animals, the environment, etc. At least, I think it is.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH MANY PRO-LIFERS, YOU PEOPLE WOULD GO ON THESE NON-LEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL TANGENTS TO JUSTIFY YOUR MOVEMENT.
WHO ARE YOU TO DENY MEDICAL CARE TO CANCER VICTIM --- WHEN IT'S ILLEGAL TO DENY PRISONERS TO HEALTH CARE?
and for abortion, reproductive slavery is unconstitutional --- a woman have all the unprotected sex she wants, and have all the abortions she wants --- until she has no uterus left, period.
get over it.
and a woman can always have a natural abortion, anyways --- so your opinion is flawed.
So when a woman refuses to take contraception, use the three-strike system so after the third abortion she is institutionalised untill she is evaluated to be sane enough to be a responsible member of society. No need for sterilising or something like that, just like with prisoners given a life-long jail sentences instead of the chair, the woman is still allowed the ability to reproduce for if someday, in her forties, she is sane enough to use contraception or choose to have children.
I guess I have to repeat the US' constitution, again:
"THIS IS THE LAW:
ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
NO HUMAN ( that means the FETUS, too) has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights: that's why you are not forced to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception; this is supported by the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment AND 13th amendment, which makes reproductive slavery unconstitutional.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
this makes viability unconstitutional because pregnancy is not a crime.
consensual sex=/= a legal, binding contract to an unwanted fetus to live; and abortion is not murder, the unlawful killing with intent."
http://galerouth.blogspot.com
That goes for the male part also ... he has no legal authority over the woman's body, too.
I support male abortion....google what it is.