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The Greatest Z in Alola! Tapu Koko VS Pikachu! (1087)

Discussion in 'Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon - Ultra Legends' started by Serebii, Oct 20, 2019.

  1. No I don't think so
     
  2. Mr-Nightmare_420

    Mr-Nightmare_420 Just a dude who enjoys pokemon

    God tier animation and God tier music for a God tier episode.
     
  3. Sonnas

    Sonnas Well-Known Member

    Damn it.
     
  4. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    There wasn't really time.

    But I think we have to assume that the reason Ash can use that particular Z-move, is what was to be expected for a Z-move that was clearly designed for Ash and his Pikachu. It's the bond between the Trainer and Pokemon (Ash and Pikachu). Ash's bond with his Pikachu is that powerful that it can create a new Z-move just for them using Electrium-Z as a base.

    I didn't see if the Z-crystal reverted would be nice if it permanently stayed.
     
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  5. I do like how this battle tied up a few things. One of Ash's first failures in Alola was losing to Tapu Koko and having his Electrium-Z break because he hadn't earned the right to use it. Following that, he earns the right by clearing all the trials, and uses the power to overcome increasingly difficult challenges, culminating in the ultimate victory against the one Pokemon he couldn't beat. Then you've got the whole Kukui/Incineroar thing. Kukui wanted to battle Ash as early as episode two, but didn't get the chance. Thankfully, they have their battle on a grander stage, and Ash's Incineroar defeats his greatest rival. In the end, Ash and Kukui are both very satisfied, having gotten what they both wanted out of the battle.

    The Alola League as a whole was a good story. I know people complain about the quality of the battles, but as a culmination for everyone's story, I thought it was a strong league.

    Not outright, but the Tapus replenished everyone's Z-Power, so we can just assume it came from that.
     
  6. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    Barring someone like Cynthia deciding to take residence in the Alola region.

    Ash is the strongest Alolan trainer. I don't mean he's from Alola, but he sure made his mark in the Alola region.
     
  7. thedarkdragon11

    thedarkdragon11 P4P Elite

    Except Dia...

    You can say that he beat both in-game "Interim" champs (Prof. Kukui and Hau)... But they aren't as strong as their in-game counterparts in the anime...

    Can't blame him, he already slayed all the powerful trainers in the region... But I guess someone will "convince" him to travel because it would look "rude" if he chooses to leave Alola (for that very reason) by himself...

    Almost as good as DP Peakachu but definitely better than XY Peakachu... Hope to see SwSh Peakachu in the next series...

    They didn't... It seems random all the time... Though this time, the Guardians somewhat activated the full potential of Ash and Prof. Kukui Z-powers... I hope Pikashunium Z is permanent now...
     
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  8. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    I think it's one of those premises where there are downsides, but you can see how each and every one of them had some form of necessity for the storytelling and they tried to compensate their best as things went along (eg. the battles starting off novice to work with the less experienced competitors, but then really picking up when it was left to just the pros, Lycanroc being sidelined to let other Pokemon get in wins, but to compensate making his one win THE MOST IMPORTANT). It was a divisive premise, but you can tell the writers really thought through how they'd set it all up.

    The only real way they could have made the league work spotlessly is if it had one extra round to it or allowed bigger teams, which given the arc's size already, wouldn't have been practical, even less so if it would have been a standard league where the companions spent the entire thing just watching.
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2019
  9. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    It started off weak, and there was some mishaps here and there.

    But it most definitely ended extremely strong. Ash finally winning a league, and then defeating Kukui as a mirror to the actual games where in the games (at least) you become the champion after defeating Kukui.

    Ash might not be the champion of the Alola region in title, but he definitely deserves to be considered the Champion of the Alola region (at least until he vacates his power by leaving).
     
  10. I understand why everyone wasn't happy with the format, but I do think the 1v1/3v3 streamlined the whole experience. Those early fights were as long/short as they needed to be. Like, you don't need Mallow vs Lana, Gladion vs Lillie or Sophocles vs Kiawe to be anything more than 1v1. SM focused on their bond with just one Pokemon, so they gave that one Pokemon every chance to shine at the end. I have complaints about how the characters were handled throughout the show, but I was happy that everyone at least got something out of the experience.

    It's noticeable how the standard of battling went up as the competition progressed, which is exactly how it should have been. Ash goes from winning because his Meltan ate Faba's Hypno's pendant to busting out the full range of his ability against Kukui, with every one of his team getting a strong showing.

    I agree. It was a slow burn. I can see how people wouldn't care about some of the earlier matches and it took a while for the really meaty match-ups to happen. And there were certainly a few contrivances here and there.

    I came away satisfied, though. The impact of Ash finally winning a league, and then defeating Kukui/Tapu Koko afterwards cannot be understated. It elevates the whole league imo.
     
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  11. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    About the only misstep I think they could have done better with was the Battle Royal, since it was supposed to give the less limelighted Pokemon some importance, only to have most of it offscreen (eg. Shaymin, Sandy, Togdemaru), though in fairness it all had to be done in one episode so again time frame issues.
     
  12. Lucario At Service

    Lucario At Service Calm Trainer

    If i have to say, SM Ash is more about Raw Power, while DP Ash was more about maturity and unique strategies. But both should be similar in terms of overall strength.

    Not directly, but the dance and singing that the Tapu's did clearly revived the strength of both Kukui and Ash to use a Z-Move again (especially considering that both of their Z-Ring started to shine and then Tapu Koko gave Kukui "Tapunium Z" right after that).
     
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  13. Blue Saturday

    Blue Saturday too fly

    Pikachu winning it all at the end is how this whole things should have ended, I swear to god. Pikachu is Satoshi’s ride-or-die and there’s no reason to sideline this mouse or undersell who he is. I am so happy they both got to pull off that Z-Move and wrap this fight while carrot dog got to win the entire league itself. No bond or lore or narrative some come close to what these boys share and have been through since the beginning of their journey together. Sun&Moon has been good to the mouse, most Pikachu love I’ve seen since BW. Beating an Electric-type god of the region is just pure icing on a cake of satisfaction.

    Always bet on Pikachu!
     
  14. pancakemonster

    pancakemonster Absolute lad

    Real talk this episode was stunning and seeing Ash win AGAIN is so satisfying, that entire z-move sequence with the music and flashback was amazing, and Naganadel got some of the best animation in the series in it's battle too. I am seriously not emotionally prepared for this series to end at all but right now I'm so happy the final battle (not counting Kiawe I guess lol) ended with such a bang. I've been critical of how many fights Pikachu has been in this series before but this one felt absolutely earned. Simply beautiful.
     
  15. Pokeballs

    Pokeballs Custom Torkoal 01


    Penultimate? Is there another fight?
     
  16. lolipiece

    lolipiece Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Ash's love for Alola is so pure and genuine, it can stop time itself just so he and Pikachu can have a conversation.

    Good boys. Good battle. Good Kamehame Thunderbolt.
     
  17. Blue Saturday

    Blue Saturday too fly

    I meant “ultimate” freakin’ correction app on my phone.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2019
  18. Kazuniya

    Kazuniya Well-Known Member

    That was f-ing glorious.
     
  19. Shotgunrain

    Shotgunrain Well-Known Member

    So is this the longest 6v6 battle ever in Pokemon anime history? This whole battle was 4 episodes long.
     
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  20. Dragalge

    Dragalge Countey

    That’s pretty cool how Ash intentionally used Dragon Pulse to create the smoke despite the move being ineffective against Tapu Koko. He adapted his mistake from using Sludge Bomb on Lucario into being able to hit Tapu Koko with X-Scissor.
     

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