The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero - DLC Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Luthor]

I don't think it's quite outside the realm of possibility for there to be new cross gens in the DLC. They've already established that we can get new cross-gens mid gen with LA, introducing new ones in DLC is unprecedented, but not far off from what they've done before, they've broken crazier precedents than that.

It's possible I admit. But I'm treating as more a hope than an expectation as it would be a break in precedents but like you say not impossible.

Same to me that's the best part of both PLA and SV. Kind of jumping back and forth on a gut feeling of Eevee getting a new evolution or two.

When it comes to eevee I hope they do otherwise the fact put a rival as an eeveelution specialist in-game otherwise that was a slightly weird choice. Then again its been quite a while since they added an eeveelution so I'm less optimistic.

 

[PsychoLogical]

I think it's lazy not trying to include every pokemon in a game, even if it takes more years instead of a rush-job and takes a bit more storage on a device. That way they can release less glitchy games and polish them.

if you don’t know how sh1t works then stfu. Game Freak is garbage these days for how lousy their work has been getting like with the obvious performance issues, but dexit is not one of them. Dexit was inevitable anyways.

On another note: Game Freak has no choice but to pump games frequently cause that’s essentially the fault of the TPC. And GF themselves since they refuse to expand and TPC insists on a 3 year cycle instead of at least 4 years.

 

[Victreebong]

After playing through the game(s) and seeing all the Paradox Mons, I’m hoping they add unlock-able new abilities as alternatives. Quark Drive and Protosynthesis are too niche and aren’t all that helpful for a lot of the Paradoxes. They also don’t make any sense for a bunch of them! We somehow got TWO fungus families this generation and neither get Effect Spore. That totally blows against convention. Makes sense for Toedscruel (because of speed), but Brutal Bonnet? Iron Jugulis doesn’t even make contact with the ground, so Electric Terrain doesn’t help it. And poor Sandy Shocks is on the wrong team! Rather have some other ability than one that doesn’t mesh well.

 

[RileyXY1]

After playing through the game(s) and seeing all the Paradox Mons, I’m hoping they add unlock-able new abilities as alternatives. Quark Drive and Protosynthesis are too niche and aren’t all that helpful for a lot of the Paradoxes. They also don’t make any sense for a bunch of them! We somehow got TWO fungus families this generation and neither get Effect Spore. That totally blows against convention. Makes sense for Toedscruel (because of speed), but Brutal Bonnet? Iron Jugulis doesn’t even make contact with the ground, so Electric Terrain doesn’t help it. And poor Sandy Shocks is on the wrong team! Rather have some other ability than one that doesn’t mesh well.

Yeah. They’re exclusively designed to be used in doubles alongside their respective box legend.

 

[Luthor]

After playing through the game(s) and seeing all the Paradox Mons, I’m hoping they add unlock-able new abilities as alternatives. Quark Drive and Protosynthesis are too niche and aren’t all that helpful for a lot of the Paradoxes. They also don’t make any sense for a bunch of them! We somehow got TWO fungus families this generation and neither get Effect Spore. That totally blows against convention. Makes sense for Toedscruel (because of speed), but Brutal Bonnet? Iron Jugulis doesn’t even make contact with the ground, so Electric Terrain doesn’t help it. And poor Sandy Shocks is on the wrong team! Rather have some other ability than one that doesn’t mesh well.

That reminds me of another annoying point. Booster energy makes it so you can activate those abilities for Pokemon without the Terrain/Weather however the made it single use item which its hard to get a replacement and given there is no tower like facility so using it up on random Pokemon seems pointless. I'm hoping the DLC makes it easier to get.

 

[Victreebong]

That reminds me of another annoying point. Booster energy makes it so you can activate those abilities for Pokemon without the Terrain/Weather however the made it single use item which its hard to get a replacement and given there is no tower like facility so using it up on random Pokemon seems pointless. I'm hoping the DLC makes it easier to get.

You do not consume held items anymore during normal play through . For example; putting Power Herb on my Ceruledge lets it use Solar Blade once per encounter. But I will still have Power Herb after the battle. Booster Energy is the same way. But you do want to grab more when you can because it’s only a 1/20 chance with every Paradox Pokemon you encounter to have it on themselves.

 

[Luthor]

You do not consume held items anymore during normal play through . For example; putting Power Herb on my Ceruledge lets it use Solar Blade once per encounter. But I will still have Power Herb after the battle. Booster Energy is the same way. But you do want to grab more when you can because it’s only a 1/20 chance with every Paradox Pokemon you encounter to have it on themselves.

Ok that I didn't know. Still I'd like to see them make it a bit easier to get extra's in DLC.

- Means to evolve Pokémon introduced in Hisui, like the Peat Block, Black Augurite, etc.

I think there's a decent chance of this considering Ursaring can already hold eviolite and it works despite their evolution methods currently being unavailable and Ursaluna's moveset (according to this https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sv/ursaluna/ ) gives it an evolution specific move and similar on Kleavor and Stantler

Problem with Mega's is they already have a limited pool of Pokemon and with Dexit that pool is gonna get smaller which is why I think they made the decision to abandon them for Gen 8. I'll be very surprised if they bring them back tbh

I think they will return eventually but my guess is they might save them for the full Kalos remakes at some point in future.

 

[Spider-Phoenix]

You do not consume held items anymore during normal play through . For example; putting Power Herb on my Ceruledge lets it use Solar Blade once per encounter. But I will still have Power Herb after the battle. Booster Energy is the same way. But you do want to grab more when you can because it’s only a 1/20 chance with every Paradox Pokemon you encounter to have it on themselves.

This day I went to check a few of the held items in the pokémon I had caught and turned out two of the paradox one had booster energy.

I don't remember how I got those, but I assume it might have been the "back-strike" thing because I do recall other wild matches having paradox mons with the item and using it before I could even try catching them.

 

[bruhidk]

Problem with Mega's is they already have a limited pool of Pokemon and with Dexit that pool is gonna get smaller which is why I think they made the decision to abandon them for Gen 8. I'll be very surprised if they bring them back tbh

Tbh I personally do not get the appeal of them anyway since the majority of the designs are pretty goofy looking & let's not even talk about the likes of Slowbro...

I still do not understand why they didn't give a single gen 6 mon a mega form, the starters at least deserved one but nah they just got overshadowed by the Kanto ones, at least the gen 8 ones got gmax forms

 

[ShadowForce720]

I still do not understand why they didn't give a single gen 6 mon a mega form, the starters at least deserved one but nah they just got overshadowed by the Kanto ones, at least the gen 8 ones got gmax forms

Actually funny enough they did give a Mega Evolution to a single gen 6 Mon being Diancie.

Although it would been nice if other gen 6 mons had gotten some Mega Evolutions.

 

[bruhidk]

Oh right
I forgot about the gen 6 mythicals ngl

 

[Det. Viper]

Oh right
I forgot about the gen 6 mythicals ngl

Generation 6 added the fewest amount of new Pokémon so it’s pretty easy to forget about them.

 

[bruhidk]

Just found another desire for the DLC, more content with the Team Star bosses, they all have cool designs and likeable personalities and I think they deserve to have more content and also let them terastallize, the tera animations may not be as flashy as the animations for the SwSh gym leaders dynamaxing but they still had character in them like Kofu laughing and Larry not even flinching and simply just fixing his tie, the Star bosses could have great tera animations

 

[Akashin]

Problem with Mega's is they already have a limited pool of Pokemon and with Dexit that pool is gonna get smaller which is why I think they made the decision to abandon them for Gen 8. I'll be very surprised if they bring them back tbh

Tbh I personally do not get the appeal of them anyway since the majority of the designs are pretty goofy looking & let's not even talk about the likes of Slowbro...

How is that a problem? The pokemon with Megas that make the cut in a given game can Mega Evolve; the ones that don't, well, don't. They already did that with LGPE, and it wasn't an issue then (to the degree that restricting those games to the original 151 wasn't annoying at its core, anyway).

They removed Z-Moves in Gen 8 as well, and those were even less of an issue, so there's not much correlation to be found between Dexit and the lack of Megas.

I still do not understand why they didn't give a single gen 6 mon a mega form, the starters at least deserved one but nah they just got overshadowed by the Kanto ones, at least the gen 8 ones got gmax forms

I'm having trouble finding the article where it was said, but I'm pretty sure they stated that it was because the Gen 6 Pokemon were too new, and thus they had less of an idea which ones should get a Mega. That argument feels less valid with them having had no such issue with giving G-Max to Gen 8 Pokemon (I give a pass on having given exclusive Z-Moves to Gen 7 Pokemon, because those are comparatively less impactful), but nevertheless.

Presumably if Pokemon Z/X2Y2/Whatever had come to pass, we'd have seen Megas for more Gen 6 Pokemon, along with a proper explanation for what tie Xerneas and Yveltal (and perhaps AZ's Floette) have to the phenomena.

 

[WishIhadaManafi5]

if you don’t know how sh1t works then stfu. Game Freak is garbage these days for how lousy their work has been getting like with the obvious performance issues, but dexit is not one of them. Dexit was inevitable anyways.

On another note: Game Freak has no choice but to pump games frequently cause that’s essentially the fault of the TPC. And GF themselves since they refuse to expand and TPC insists on a 3 year cycle instead of at least 4 years.

Ok let's cut out the arguing and get back on topic.

I mean this in general as a thread, btw. Let's try to stay on topic, everyone.

 

[Smeargle-Sketch]

So, two new moves were found in the official Pokemon VGC teambuilder for SV.

Hydro Steam and Psyblade

However the stats cannot be seen.

These two moves thematically go with the interpretations of two Paradox Pokemon exclusive to the Scarlet/Violet book found in the library that a researcher drew from his own imagination on what creatures could be found in Area Zero.

The designs of course go with the leaked/rumoured Paradox Suicune and Paradox Virizon. If you haven't seen the images in the game yet, then here.

Hydro Steam and Psyblade seem to be their signature moves. Making me me think that they are indeed coming even if they don't look 100% like the images above.

My guess for typings are for Suicune it could be Water/Fire or Water/Electric. Paradox Virizon maybe being Steel/Psychic or Fighting/Psychic

 

[Yveltal91057]

So, two new moves were found in the official Pokemon VGC teambuilder for SV.

Hydro Steam and Psyblade

However the stats cannot be seen.

These two moves thematically go with the interpretations of two Paradox Pokemon exclusive to the Scarlet/Violet book found in the library that a researcher drew from his own imagination on what creatures could be found in Area Zero.

The designs of course go with the leaked/rumoured Paradox Suicune and Paradox Virizon. If you haven't seen the images in the game yet, then here.

Hydro Steam and Psyblade seem to be their signature moves. Making me me think that they are indeed coming even if they don't look 100% like the images above.

My guess for typings are for Suicune it could be Water/Fire or Water/Electric. Paradox Virizon maybe being Steel/Psychic or Fighting/Psychic

I don’t think Hydro Steam and Psyblade will be exclusive to any one Pokémon. Volcanion can potentially learn Hydro Steam. Iron Valiant, Ceruledge, Gallade, Zangoose, Bisharp and others all have the potential to learn Psyblade.

 

[Tsukuyomi56]

This day I went to check a few of the held items in the pokémon I had caught and turned out two of the paradox one had booster energy.

I don't remember how I got those, but I assume it might have been the "back-strike" thing because I do recall other wild matches having paradox mons with the item and using it before I could even try catching them.

You can send out something with Drought or Electric Surge (or your box legend) at the start of the battle to ensure the Booster Energy is not consumed before you can catch the Pokémon. The appropriate weather or field effect takes priority over the item.

 

[Beloberto]

You can send out something with Drought or Electric Surge (or your box legend) at the start of the battle to ensure the Booster Energy is not consumed before you can catch the Pokémon. The appropriate weather or field effect takes priority over the item.

The items are not consumed. You don’t have to trigger anything, even if the game says the booster energy was used up it will be there if you catch the Pokémon.

 

[Acer11]

Do you think we'll get more Paldean Forms as well as convergent species? Because I just thought of names and types for potential convergent Species of Sandygast and Palossand:

Snowygast:
Ghost/Ice

Palossnow:
Ghost/Ice

Sorry, I couldn't think of a different type to replace Ghost.