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The Isle of Armor & The Crown Tundra DLC - RUMOR & SPECULATION Thread [Spoilers]

Nutter t.KK

can Mega Evolve!
I agree. Slyveon was hinted about a month before XY were announced by the one promo sheet showing off new Pokémon merchandise having it blackened out and placed close to Eevee.
They announced it pretty early on in Promotion of X & Y. On 11th February 2013, we first saw it in a magazine leak, with the 14th when we got the first official confirmation of it: https://www.serebii.net/archive/February-2013.shtml This was before we knew of the Fairy typing

I personally doubt they are going to add a new Eeveelution just to be obtainable in the DLC.
 

Captain Jigglypuff

Leader of Jigglypuff Army
I feel like they aren't anywhere near done with Eevee yet, the Eeveelutions are very popular and they know that. I'd say that they slowed down the rate of making new Eevee Evos because they don't want to use all it's potential too quick, it's a long game.
The only new Eevelution types I want are Dragon, Flying, And Poison.
 

wolf jani

The 6th member to reach 20 000 posts
They announced it pretty early on in Promotion of X & Y. On 11th February 2013, we first saw it in a magazine leak, with the 14th when we got the first official confirmation of it: https://www.serebii.net/archive/February-2013.shtml This was before we knew of the Fairy typing

I personally doubt they are going to add a new Eeveelution just to be obtainable in the DLC.
Leafeon and Glaceon weren't revealed in DP pre-release though.
 

HappyHawlucha

Active Member
2 rumours have stated a trailer tomorrow, but with conflicting contents, so who knows more details may be closer than we think...
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
The inherent non-value of rumors aside (I'm sure people start rumors of "new trailers" weekly, usually to little effect) the point is that to say "there's still so much we don't know" about a product that hasn't been released yet - and for which we have already gotten two trailers - is to miss the point somewhat. Of course there's a lot we don't know about something we don't have yet.
 

Pikachu111213

Traveler
For this next trailer, be it tomorrow, or much later, what do you all want to see next? For me I want to see more Galarian forms and get info on restricted sparring. Any old Pokémon returning that we don’t know about is good too
 

G-SANtos

Well-Known Member
The inherent non-value of rumors aside (I'm sure people start rumors of "new trailers" weekly, usually to little effect) the point is that to say "there's still so much we don't know" about a product that hasn't been released yet - and for which we have already gotten two trailers - is to miss the point somewhat. Of course there's a lot we don't know about something we don't have yet.
The thing is, there's a privated video on the official YouTube page. Here's a video talking about it.

As MudkipMemo says, it could be nothing important, as the Play Pokémon playlist is about competitive, but there being a privated trailer on that playlist at all is weird, according to him.
Maybe we're getting a trailer about Restricted Sparring this week? Or about some new thing on Isle of Armor that will affect competitive play?

A lot of alleged leakers were talking about a trailer on May 7 since at least the month started. Now we have a privated video. Maybe one of them was an actual leak.
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
Maybe one of them was an actual leak.
And maybe none of them are. How many "leaks" during the pre-release period of Sword and Shield were proven to be complete bunk on a weekly basis, only for people to go "okay but MAYBE" about the next round of hogwash the very next day? There's no argument that will get me to put value in a medium built largely upon people overanalyzing or fabricating completely in the name of clicks and views. None. Particularly when nothing of value is gained the one time out of every twenty where someone did have a scoop resembling the eventual information. There's no line to get in, no seat to save. We'll get what we get when we get it - maybe that's tomorrow (today) and maybe it isn't - but regardless of when that is, it will have nothing to do with someone's YouTube video titled "PRIVATED TRAILER?!"

I am not saying we will get no further trailers. At no point did I say that. What I did say is that we aren't missing anything we're guaranteed to be due, in the sense that to say "there's so much we don't know" about a product for which we have gotten two trailers and that we don't have yet is stating the obvious and missing the point. Of course there's so much we don't know. Because we haven't played it yet.

I've listed what we do know and if it were to transpire that that precise list ended up all we ended up knowing prior to the eventual (and hopefully nearby) release of the Isle of Armor, it wouldn't be any kind of abnormal situation. That's my point. There isn't "so much we don't know" to any abnormal degree.
 
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Ophie

Salingerian Phony
The thing is, there's a privated video on the official YouTube page. Here's a video talking about it.

As MudkipMemo says, it could be nothing important, as the Play Pokémon playlist is about competitive, but there being a privated trailer on that playlist at all is weird, according to him.
Maybe we're getting a trailer about Restricted Sparring this week? Or about some new thing on Isle of Armor that will affect competitive play?

A lot of alleged leakers were talking about a trailer on May 7 since at least the month started. Now we have a privated video. Maybe one of them was an actual leak.
Not only that, but these "leaks" and rumors floating about have done more harm than good. That thumbnail above, for instance, shows a more advanced Kabutops and is passing it off as real. Now, because of that, some people are going to see it and like it, and they'll expect Galarian Kabutops or a Kabutops evolution for Isle of Armor. And when they don't get one, they'll get upset that it wasn't there when it was created by a fan to begin with.

These people are poisoning the fanbase further just to get 30 seconds of fame.
 

Reinhardt

Well-Known Member
For this next trailer, be it tomorrow, or much later, what do you all want to see next? For me I want to see more Galarian forms and get info on restricted sparring. Any old Pokémon returning that we don’t know about is good too
The main things I'm interested in seeing at this point are a full reveal of Galarian Slowbro and a few more returning old Pokemon so I can do some team-building. I'm hoping for some good Grass-types like Lilligant or Lurantis
 

Ignition

Keep thriving
Not only that, but these "leaks" and rumors floating about have done more harm than good. That thumbnail above, for instance, shows a more advanced Kabutops and is passing it off as real. Now, because of that, some people are going to see it and like it, and they'll expect Galarian Kabutops or a Kabutops evolution for Isle of Armor. And when they don't get one, they'll get upset that it wasn't there when it was created by a fan to begin with.

These people are poisoning the fanbase further just to get 30 seconds of fame.
While I do agree with your stance on these fake leaks being more harmful, I don't think it's fair to blame the fan who created the art for others' disappointment. For one, it's unfortunately common for artists to have their work stolen just to be used as enticing clickbait.

And for those who do make it with the intent to troll, I'd say it's more of the viewers to think for themselves especially when it comes to the credibility and history of the PokéTubers.
 

Pikachu111213

Traveler
While I do agree with your stance on these fake leaks being more harmful, I don't think it's fair to blame the fan who created the art for others' disappointment. For one, it's unfortunately common for artists to have their work stolen just to be used as enticing clickbait.

And for those who do make it with the intent to troll, I'd say it's more of the viewers to think for themselves especially when it comes to the credibility and history of the PokéTubers.
Been thinking this myself for awhile. It’s on you if you put your heart into some random stranger on the internet’s word. Fact is, it’s 4chan where most of these come from. I can go on there right now and post that Isle of Armor will give us Galarian forms for Johto starters and a new evolution to Mewtwo.

people on the internet can be malicious. Don’t trust everything you see. If you do and it fails you, that’s on you.
 

Lord Godwin

The Lord of Darkness
Knowing the standard time any Pokemon Trailers release I guess that if Today will be one it will be between 1-2 hours from now.
We had unannounced ones in the past so let's see. Maybe any of the rumors were true...
 

Mr.Munchlax

Great Ball Rank Trainer
The only leak/rumor I really think is true is the Pokémon Home Datamine showing non Galar-Dex pokémon with updated movesets, and even then I can't completely believe it because
  1. The games aren't out yet and we haven't had a new trailer in ages, so we can't possibly know for sure
  2. The datamine doesn't specify which pokémon will be featured in the Isle of Armor, & which ones will be featured in the Crown Tundra
  3. It doesn't give any sort of hints to which pokémon are getting Galarian forms, even for the ones that have already been confirmed to get them like the Slowpoke line or the legendary birds
  4. Just because these pokémon have been given new movesets, doesn't 100% confirm they'll be in the games
As for other leaks, I try to avoid YouTubers like RuffledRowlit, Mudkip Memo, & aDrive since they keep churning out hard to believe leaks & rumors week after week (most likely to stay relevant and keep up with the YouTube algorithm). Unless a leak comes straight from the games' code, I try not to believe any kind of reveal or rumor videos and just wait for the next official trailer to come out, otherwise it'll just give me ridiculous expectations & enjoy the game less.
 
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Pikachu111213

Traveler
The only leak/rumor I really think is true is the Pokémon Home Datamine showing non Galar-Dex pokémon with updated movesets, and even then I can't completely believe it because
  1. The games aren't out yet and we haven't had new trailer in ages, so we can't possibly know
  2. The datamine doesn't specify which pokémon will be featured in the Isle of Armor, & which ones will be featured in the Crown Tundra
As for other leaks, I try to avoid YouTubers like RuffledRowlit, Mudkip Memo, & aDrive since they keep churning out hard to believe leaks & rumors week after week. Unless a leak comes straight from the games' code, I try not to believe any kind of reveal or rumor videos and just wait for the next official trailer to come out, otherwise it'll just give me ridiculous expectations & enjoy the game less.
Interestingly enough a post was made on 4chan the other day with a list of “returning mons” I ran through it and each one on the list did get an updated move in the Home datamine. Could be nothing but it was interesting
 

Ophie

Salingerian Phony
While I do agree with your stance on these fake leaks being more harmful, I don't think it's fair to blame the fan who created the art for others' disappointment. For one, it's unfortunately common for artists to have their work stolen just to be used as enticing clickbait.

And for those who do make it with the intent to troll, I'd say it's more of the viewers to think for themselves especially when it comes to the credibility and history of the PokéTubers.
Oh yes, I have much respect for tose who make up their own Pokémon as long as they make it obvious it's their own and not real. What I refer to are videos like these designed to mislead and the people who make and upload these videos. The layout of that thumbnail, for instance, makes it look like that's real, like it's some information in the hidden trailer the uploader managed to get a peek into.
 

WishIhadaManafi5

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before.
Staff member
Moderator
Moving this on up for speculation on DLC, to keep it separate from official news.

Moved any rumor and spec talk over to this thread.
 
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G-SANtos

Well-Known Member
Here's a rumor I saw on a YouTube video a month ago, that I found weird, and I'll explain why. I can't remember which YouTuber talked about it, but I think it was MudkipMemo. Original post: https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/42941619/

tester for nintendo, testing the new DLC for Sword and Shield atm, it will be announced at the direct next week on wednesday or thursday. here's what I got.

found dens with returning pokemon (fletchinder, slakoth, rockruff)

urshufu is a new pokemon, but not sure when you get it, we've only been told about it

returning gym leaders (mallow, falkner)

intelleon, rillaboom, cinderace gigantamax

galarian jynx with new evolution

pokemon can follow you in new dojos

our starter for the dlc is a fighting type

poison type eeveelution used by new rival

All I have for now, might have more, see ya soon.


-SilphcoMan
This rumor is weird for the following reason: It was posted on March 3, but if talks about the DLC as if it hasn't been announced yet. If it were posted on January 3, the "direct next week on wednesday or thursday" would line up with the date we got the Pokémon Direct on. If this leak is true, all I can think of is that the date bugged on archival, or somehow the leaker being unaware of the DLC already being announced. The latter might be possible, as the leaker referring to Mallow as a "Gym Leader" makes me think they're not much of a fan, but the mention of a "direct next week" is what gets me.
I find it hard to think a fake leaker would intentionally make a post worded on such a way, despite being unable to fake a post date. A fake "deleted post screenshot" would make more sense.

Anyway, here are my thoughts.
The leak mentions Fletchinder, Rockruff, and Slakoth as returning Pokémon. The first two are confirmed from the trailer, but we know nothing about Slakoth.
The leaker mentions Urshifu, but mispells it as "Urshufu". They are allegedly unaware of how to obtain Urshifu, which might include not knowing it evolves from Kubfu, as the two are mentioned far apart from each other, or maybe not even knowing what it looks like.
Considering the base game had no returning characters at all, I think it makes sense for the DLC to have old characters show up.

Mentioning Galarian Jynx. If fake, could be piggybacking on the cry found in Home.
Meanwhile, no mention of Galarian Slowpoke or Slowbro at all, despite it getting focused on in both DLC trailers (and Slowpoke seems to even have a cutscene in the game) and pretty much every fake leak ever at least talking something about Galarian Slowbro. This oddity, in my opinion, gives some credibility to this leak.

Pokémon can follow you in new dojos? This point seems weird. We have only seen one dojo so far, unless the leaker is talking about the towers. In which case, it feels weird for the leaker to be unaware of Urshifu if he has already entered it, and I'm pretty sure anyone faking this would make a connection between the Urshifu forms and the towers. It was obvious even before the official reveal, with all that red and blue and Kubfu's face on them.
Though, it's possible you can revisit the towers with different Pokémon. I mean, having two battle facilities that you can only visit once (and on top of that you have to choose!) would be weird.
It's also weird that the leaker wouldn't know about Urshifu if they are already able to enter the tower with non-Kubfu Pokémon. But maybe that's just for testing purposes.

"our starter for the dlc is a fighting type". The way Kubfu is described is like the leaker has no idea of how important it is. Like, Kubfu is not even named here! And like I already said, the leaker doesn't even seem to be aware it evolves into Urshifu.
But the comparison to a Starter makes me think some things. Kubfu, basically a Starter, that is the center of the story, evolves into the DLC mascot, and potentially follows the player inside the Towers. Isn't it kinda similar to Pikachu in Yellow? The only Starter, who is the game's mascot, and follows you everywhere. This might be why the Isle of Armor's logo is yellow despite it being the least prominent color on Urshifu's body.

"poison type eeveelution used by new rival". This suggests leaker is playing Sword. Maybe they aren't even aware the Rival depends on the version. But anyway, they claim there's a Poison Eeveelution coming. On one hand, I find it weird that Klara would have a new Eeveelution while Avery wouldn't be able to due to his type specialty. But on the other hand, Dexio and Sina also use Eeveelutions that are not counterparts: Espeon and Glaceon.

One thing that makes me believe a Poison Eeveelution is possible for the DLC, is Galarian Slowbro. While we don't know for certain what type Galarian Slowbro will be, almost everyone seems to believe it's going to be Psychic/Poison, specially because Galarian Slowpoke learns Acid and was introduced with Klara and Avery. Galarian Slowbro being Psychic/Poison would allow for both of them to have one.
And also, we Galarian Slowpoke evolves into Slowbro with an item. Maybe... Eevee also evolves with the same item? There's not much that goes for this theory, as evolution items tend to be exclusive to a single Pokémon. King's Rock works for two, and Metal Coat works for two, but other than that, every single evolution item is exclusive to a single Pokémon.

That is, except for evolution stones. The evolution stones actually lean the other way: No evolution stone is exclusive to a single Pokémon. Ever. Every time a new evolution stone is introduced, there's always at least two Pokémon that can use it. None of them has even been exclusive, and probably never will. (By the way, despite its name, the Oval Stone is not an evolution stone, at least according to Bulbapedia.)
We don't know what kind of item will be used to evolve Slowpoke. With all the lore about Galarica spice, it could be some kind of plant item. But, if it's an evolution stone, something like "Toxic Stone", every precedent implies at least one other Pokémon can use it, and that could be Eevee.

Also, it might mean nothing, but one thing that I remember being pointed out in a discussion on another website, is that Leafeon and Sylveon are the only Eeveelutions with Pokédex entries that mention Galarian culture. On that discussion, they were saying this could be a hint about new Eeveelutions of types that have some relation to Grass and Fairy. Poison is strong against Grass, so there's that. Well, it also beats Fairy, but the Pokédex mentions a fairy tale where Sylveon defeats a dragon.
But yeah, I think we'll get a Poison Eeveelution in the Isle of Armor, and another Eeveelution in the Crown Tundra.

And finally, the absence of any Crown Tundra stuff puts this post above any other post that tries to pass itself as being a leak.
Overall, I find this post weird because of the date on the time stamp, and how clueless the leaker seems to be about stuff that anyone paying attention to the news would know. I have to say, I'm leaning towards believing it. The Affleck leak also seemed weird, had some typos and mistakes (Opal being the first Fairy Gym, and Zacian and Zamazenta being apparently the same Pokémon), and was ignored when it was posted.

What do you think?

On a completely unrelated note, with Kubfu being basically a Starter, it makes me wonder if there will have new Starters for the Crown Tundra. It would be a perfect chance to have something like Fighting-Psychic-Dark trio of Starters. After all, the Grass-Fire-Water is only because it's the easiest to understand for new players, and thus they'll always be the first Pokémon. But anything received in the Crown Tundra, is automatically not going to be the player's first Pokémon, and so doesn't really need to follow that rule. Honestly, I think DLC offers a good opportunity to explore alternate Starter types.

Not only that, but these "leaks" and rumors floating about have done more harm than good. That thumbnail above, for instance, shows a more advanced Kabutops and is passing it off as real. Now, because of that, some people are going to see it and like it, and they'll expect Galarian Kabutops or a Kabutops evolution for Isle of Armor. And when they don't get one, they'll get upset that it wasn't there when it was created by a fan to begin with.

These people are poisoning the fanbase further just to get 30 seconds of fame.
What? That image is not being used to pass off as real, it's being used to illustrate something talked about in the video. What kind of person wouldn't know that is fan art?
 
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