AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Time for Pikachu's moves to get a complete makeover.
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The Legend of Heroes! Leon's Ultimate Battle! (1116)
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Joycap
The Smogonites' personal George Orwell
I'm well aware this was meant as a joke, but Idk if this would surprise me much. Electroweb was only on the SM moveset because Gigavolt Havoc gave the same application to relevant fights as Electro Ball WOULD have (not saying it isn't still asinine given that you still had Electro Ball for first half of the series (and all of XY, now I recall)).
It's expandable now. Other coverage options exist the second he gets to grips with Dmax/Gmax.
Yuugis Black Magician
Namaikina Imouto
If it were up to me all Pokemon would never lose moves but it's not. The decision is made by creators and executives with their own ideas and needs and trying to balance all of them.
British Soul
Top Hat Regulator
Yeah, using all 10 of them in one battle, just to flex.
Twilight-Kun
Pokemon World Champion
The move limit is stupid, and pokemon should be able to use whatever moves their family can learn
Bring back Thunderchu, you cowards
Bring back Thunderchu, you cowards
No, the move limit is not stupid. Maybe 4 moves is sometimes not enough, but too many moves will be a headache.
Anyway, in this episode we had the legend and the statue of the hero with the Sword and the Shield (Zacian and Zamazenta). When the series starts focus more in Galar's region I'm quite sure they will go deeper in this plot.
By the way, which do you think suits best to Ash? The Sword (Zacian) or the Shield (Zamazenta)? Since Ash usually fights offensively, I would say the Sword, but the "Fairy Type" doesn't seem to match for me. On the other hand, while Ash doesn't use many defensive moves, Zamazenta's Fighting Type matchs with his style. (Honestly, the Fighting one should be the one with the Sword, and the Fairy Type should be the one with the Shield). Say, do you think the story will be adapted in the game so Ash will command both, Zacian and Zamazenta?
Twilight-Kun
Pokemon World Champion
Yeah, but he's not really a fighter. Besides, considering he's after Mew, he would try to use Mew to fight in this crisis, after all.
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
...Huh. Goh is going after Mew? Weird. Nothing he's done so far points out as him going after Mew.
ShadowForce720
Well-Known Member
Doesn’t really matter, the fact that he is a central protagonist as well like Ash is, is reason enough for him to partner with one of the two wolves.
Rune Knight
Well-Known Member
This guy is so evil. Just look at his sinister smile.
Spider-Phoenix
#ChespinGang
Leon just have a big stock of TRs after grinding all of Galar's Max Raids
xinfernapex
Sinnoh Champion
Locormus
Can we please get the older, old forum back?
Lots of replies incoming:
Classic misdirect-editing. The staff is obviously knowing what they're doing.
Ash Farfetch'd is the new Ash-Greninja. You called it first.
Nah, they have to set her up eventually.. Didn't like her ear-gimmick though.
Greninja I can obviously get behind, Cut needs to go. But why Heracross per sé? It's movepool has better options these days I mean it desperately needs a Rock-type move like Rock Blast to deal with its main weakness: Flying.
Heracross: Megahorn (signature), Pin Missile (awesome, just look at Paul's Drapion), Close Combat (Focus Punch isn't in the learnset in Gen8), Rock Blast (necessary coverage) <- Especially if it will Mega Evolve.
Gliscor's moveset is already expansive as is: Fire Fang, X-scissor, Steel Wing, Stone Edge, Giga Impact (and Sand Attack, Screech). It already covers Psychic with X-scissor so the only thing Night Slash would cover would be Ghost-types - which it has other options. It basically desperately needs a STAB-move other then implied type-alignments (Steel Wing implies Flying-type and Stone Edge implies Ground, especially with the current animation). However, Gliscor just doesn't get many Ground-type moves: Earthquake, Earthpower, Bulldoze and Sand Tomb. Of which, I think Sand Tomb would be the coolest in terms of animation (even if ingame it's kinda weak). As for Flying-type, it can replace both Giga Impact with either Sky Attack or Acrobatics as both would fit its gliding style quite well.
Gliscor: Sky Attack/Acrobatics, Sand Tomb (basically how it used Sand Attack, but damaging), Fire Fang, X-scissor.
Night Slash and Leaf Blade are the exact same move, just a different glow on the leek. When rough boi Farfetch'd evolves into gallant Sirfetch'd, I'm sure it will replace the 'Night Slash' with the purer Leaf Blade.
G-Zigzagoon fits Ash? Nah, too much of a stretch.
Steel Beam for Lucario. First I kinda wanted Meteor Mash (and Sirfetch'd with Meteor Assault - so both Fighting-types could have a 'Meteor'-move and Dragonite could get Draco Meteor).
I mean can it be any more like a Kamehameha?
- Lucario: Bone Rush, Double Team, Aura Sphere, Steel Beam
- Sirfetch'd: Meteor Assault, Leaf Blade, Iron defense, Dual Wingbeat <- And yes, no Dark-type moves. G-Farfetch'd -> Sirfetch'd represent a turn to chivalry and I think that will get addressed in the moveset.
Two fighting-types, both are completely different in moves and style.
How's that even fair?
1. After evolving, it managed to gain a Zapdos' respect.
2. Noivern got to be in 0 gym battles.
3. Vs. Alain's Metang: got faced with a difficult type disadvantage (all it's moves were resisted due to Metang being Steel-type). Same how we didn't expect Pikachu to really beat Iris' Excadrill.
4. Vs. Sawyer: Beat his Doublade again, a Steel-type (and a Ghost-type so Boomburst didn't work), but fell to a Mega Launcher Dragon Pulse by Clawitzer.
5. Vs. Sawyer (in the league): It tied with a Salamence. It's not as if that's particularly 'jobbing' in normal form. That would be Oshawott losing to Hydreigon even after Boldore already did damage. Or Unfezant vs. Cameron's Lucario.
6. Vs. Alain (in the League): Ash sent out Noivern first and Alain countered with sending out Weavile. It's not in Ash's character to immediately change plans, but he definitely should've. Ash's fault, not Noivern's.
So yeah, three losses, one win and a tie and an honorable mention (at best). If you're looking at purely stats, yeah, it lost. But in context: it got few opportunities and the ones it did get weren't all that much in its favor, like at all. And Goodra's in that same boat as well, with even fewer opportunities. Tieing with the Fairy-type Slurpuff (limiting it's movepool to Ice Beam and Bide) and getting KO'd by a 1HKO-move vs. Bisharp. Both Dragon's were outside of one or two match-ups always pitted in bad situations.
Wait, did you forget that Talonflame, Hawlucha and Noivern all shared the Flying-type? If Noivern and Goodra don't count (and I agree, they weren't on the same 'travelling'-team at any point), why jump as far back as Snivy and Leavanny? Also, I don't recall any substantial episode with both Snivy and Leavanny on the same team at the moment, so if Noivern/Goodra don't count, then maybe Pignite+Scraggy? Again, if you're not counting the Kalos Flying-types on purpose.
I agree. You're not the only one. It's awesome.
I might be out of the loop, but how are you so sure that 'evidently' the Japanese fans are more upset about the Sobble "controversy"? First off, I wouldn't call it a controversy at all. People were just not expecting it. But if you look at it objectively, what's so controversial about Ash capturing a Farfetch'd and Go a Sobble? Also, there's a thing called the loud minority. I work in customer relations. It's a business that has more then 100,000 daily customers and people think all is going to hell when 10 people keep whining on social media about their ONE order. That's simply not how the world actually works. Pokémon has literally millions of viewers worldwide. To the couple hundred you might hear that are loudly 'upset', 'shocked' or even 'angry' that their favorite starter goes to Go.. Well get some juice and get in line. Some people felt that when Go got Scorbunny because it was their favorite starter. And what happened? He's using the thing frequently and it evolved. There's no reason to believe that Sobble is going to be his next Parasect, yet the loud minority is sure of it.
"Why are Charizard's nostrils on its chin?" :O
Classic misdirect-editing. The staff is obviously knowing what they're doing.
Ash Farfetch'd is the new Ash-Greninja. You called it first.
Nah, they have to set her up eventually.. Didn't like her ear-gimmick though.
Greninja I can obviously get behind, Cut needs to go. But why Heracross per sé? It's movepool has better options these days I mean it desperately needs a Rock-type move like Rock Blast to deal with its main weakness: Flying.
Heracross: Megahorn (signature), Pin Missile (awesome, just look at Paul's Drapion), Close Combat (Focus Punch isn't in the learnset in Gen8), Rock Blast (necessary coverage) <- Especially if it will Mega Evolve.
Gliscor's moveset is already expansive as is: Fire Fang, X-scissor, Steel Wing, Stone Edge, Giga Impact (and Sand Attack, Screech). It already covers Psychic with X-scissor so the only thing Night Slash would cover would be Ghost-types - which it has other options. It basically desperately needs a STAB-move other then implied type-alignments (Steel Wing implies Flying-type and Stone Edge implies Ground, especially with the current animation). However, Gliscor just doesn't get many Ground-type moves: Earthquake, Earthpower, Bulldoze and Sand Tomb. Of which, I think Sand Tomb would be the coolest in terms of animation (even if ingame it's kinda weak). As for Flying-type, it can replace both Giga Impact with either Sky Attack or Acrobatics as both would fit its gliding style quite well.
Gliscor: Sky Attack/Acrobatics, Sand Tomb (basically how it used Sand Attack, but damaging), Fire Fang, X-scissor.
Night Slash and Leaf Blade are the exact same move, just a different glow on the leek. When rough boi Farfetch'd evolves into gallant Sirfetch'd, I'm sure it will replace the 'Night Slash' with the purer Leaf Blade.
G-Zigzagoon fits Ash? Nah, too much of a stretch.
Steel Beam for Lucario. First I kinda wanted Meteor Mash (and Sirfetch'd with Meteor Assault - so both Fighting-types could have a 'Meteor'-move and Dragonite could get Draco Meteor).
I mean can it be any more like a Kamehameha?
- Lucario: Bone Rush, Double Team, Aura Sphere, Steel Beam
- Sirfetch'd: Meteor Assault, Leaf Blade, Iron defense, Dual Wingbeat <- And yes, no Dark-type moves. G-Farfetch'd -> Sirfetch'd represent a turn to chivalry and I think that will get addressed in the moveset.
Two fighting-types, both are completely different in moves and style.
How's that even fair?
1. After evolving, it managed to gain a Zapdos' respect.
2. Noivern got to be in 0 gym battles.
3. Vs. Alain's Metang: got faced with a difficult type disadvantage (all it's moves were resisted due to Metang being Steel-type). Same how we didn't expect Pikachu to really beat Iris' Excadrill.
4. Vs. Sawyer: Beat his Doublade again, a Steel-type (and a Ghost-type so Boomburst didn't work), but fell to a Mega Launcher Dragon Pulse by Clawitzer.
5. Vs. Sawyer (in the league): It tied with a Salamence. It's not as if that's particularly 'jobbing' in normal form. That would be Oshawott losing to Hydreigon even after Boldore already did damage. Or Unfezant vs. Cameron's Lucario.
6. Vs. Alain (in the League): Ash sent out Noivern first and Alain countered with sending out Weavile. It's not in Ash's character to immediately change plans, but he definitely should've. Ash's fault, not Noivern's.
So yeah, three losses, one win and a tie and an honorable mention (at best). If you're looking at purely stats, yeah, it lost. But in context: it got few opportunities and the ones it did get weren't all that much in its favor, like at all. And Goodra's in that same boat as well, with even fewer opportunities. Tieing with the Fairy-type Slurpuff (limiting it's movepool to Ice Beam and Bide) and getting KO'd by a 1HKO-move vs. Bisharp. Both Dragon's were outside of one or two match-ups always pitted in bad situations.
Wait, did you forget that Talonflame, Hawlucha and Noivern all shared the Flying-type? If Noivern and Goodra don't count (and I agree, they weren't on the same 'travelling'-team at any point), why jump as far back as Snivy and Leavanny? Also, I don't recall any substantial episode with both Snivy and Leavanny on the same team at the moment, so if Noivern/Goodra don't count, then maybe Pignite+Scraggy? Again, if you're not counting the Kalos Flying-types on purpose.
I agree. You're not the only one. It's awesome.
I might be out of the loop, but how are you so sure that 'evidently' the Japanese fans are more upset about the Sobble "controversy"? First off, I wouldn't call it a controversy at all. People were just not expecting it. But if you look at it objectively, what's so controversial about Ash capturing a Farfetch'd and Go a Sobble? Also, there's a thing called the loud minority. I work in customer relations. It's a business that has more then 100,000 daily customers and people think all is going to hell when 10 people keep whining on social media about their ONE order. That's simply not how the world actually works. Pokémon has literally millions of viewers worldwide. To the couple hundred you might hear that are loudly 'upset', 'shocked' or even 'angry' that their favorite starter goes to Go.. Well get some juice and get in line. Some people felt that when Go got Scorbunny because it was their favorite starter. And what happened? He's using the thing frequently and it evolved. There's no reason to believe that Sobble is going to be his next Parasect, yet the loud minority is sure of it.
"Why are Charizard's nostrils on its chin?" :O
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Well, yeah, that is called jobbing. Its track record is just horrible and unimpressive because the creators ran into a wall.
I don't count the Zapdos episode because nowadays evolutions are treated as major, if temporary, power boosts.
That's his nose bent back.
Mr.Munchlax
Great Ball Rank Trainer
Plus it kind of felt like they were just reusing the plot form the Moltres episode where Fletchinder evolved into Talonflame. Some elements were different, but the gist was still the same
Blazicken
Sex on fire
Not a huge fan of the farfetch'd/Sirfetch'd species itself, but I do like its attitude and character.
With lucario and farfetch'd being two fighting-maniacs, they'll probably be good sparring partners and make eachother stronger.
If it wasn't for that attitude this would probably be my first personal let-down Ash-catch.
With lucario and farfetch'd being two fighting-maniacs, they'll probably be good sparring partners and make eachother stronger.
If it wasn't for that attitude this would probably be my first personal let-down Ash-catch.
Red and Blue
Well-Known Member
I think Go may have done better against Galarian Farfetch'd if he just used Raboot from the start. At least it had more experience than most of his other Pokemon
KurashiDragon
Well-known Dragonite Enthusiast
I actaully totally forgot about the flying thing. Well not really forgot. More like, I didn't even think of it. I didn't even realize Pignite was a fighting type. I guess this isn't as much of a thing as I thought it was.
Twilight-Kun
Pokemon World Champion
The anime tends to treat pokémon as monotype more often than not
Such as Krookodile and Greninja never using their Dark sub-type (no, Bite and Crunch don't count on account of originally being Normal-type and accessible to so many pokémon)
It's also how Charizard survived Stone Edge
Such as Krookodile and Greninja never using their Dark sub-type (no, Bite and Crunch don't count on account of originally being Normal-type and accessible to so many pokémon)
It's also how Charizard survived Stone Edge