the main group

[octoboy]

This thread is to talk about the main group, meaning Ash and his companions. In this thread, we discuss what we want to see in the main group and what we expect to see in the main group. Now, first of all, I'll post what I expect to happen.

Ash: Is the main character of Pokemon the anime. Ash will never leave the show and even if he did leave the group, the cameras will follow him.

Brock: Brock doesn't do much now, but he does some important things that make him needed in the show. He does the cooking, the main group would starve without him and he also serves as the captions that say what happens in the battle (or that's how it was the last time I watched) He is getting less interesting, but he'll need someone to replace him.

May: Is the third main character (Pikachu is the second). The writers made sure that May won't get boring by giving her her own league. May is most likely going to stay for a while, but could face problems if diamond and pearl don't have pokemon contests.

Max: Although Max is pretty boring, he'll most likely stay. He's too new to cut so early. Max won't be getting any pokemon for a while, but he can't be cut because May wouldn't want him off on his own and if he wanted to go home, May would be worried about him getting hurt on the way back.

Misty: Is gone and won't come back most likely. She may come back for one or two episodes, but probably won't be back like before. The writers had done all they could do with her and they didn't know what else to do with her, she wasn't essential as Brock, so they cut her. I am one of the people who really like Misty, but I know that she won't do much if she does return. (But she could have done more than Max could...)

Tracey: Will never come back. He was booed off the set very quickly. He wasn't interesting, he settled somewhere and he won't be very welcome if he does come back.

Now discuss and PDL, please don't smash me again.

 

[Jesse GS the II]

Satoshi: I like him, even if others don't. It's been fun to see him develop as a character lo these past nine years, and it'd be rather foolish of the writers to do anything but keep him in the main group.

Haruka: As I've always maintained, one of the best things to happen to the show. She brought about a new angle, and I don't feel that she's worn out her welcome yet.

Masato: There's a lot of potential for him. Where Haruka goes, Masato has to follow, so I'm quite pleased that they've kept him around too. Hopefully, though, they'll begin to give him more things to do in the next region - having him become a trainer would offer plenty of opportunities for Haruka to work with him, playing up their relationship as siblings.

Takeshi: The writers seem to be running out of ideas for him. He's no longer a breeder, and he can't go back to the gym, so now he's just kind of there. He is smart, though, and I think having him help Haruka in her contests would be a wise decision on the writers' behalf - he knows this sort of thing, whereas Haruka is still overcoming the occasional stumbling block.

Kasumi: Gone, and I love it that way. She used to be a delightful character, but let's face it - there aren't any more stories for her. Keep her at the gym, where she's much more grounded in her element.

Kenji: Quite the pointless Takeshi wannabe. Almost totally devoid of personality. Leave him at Ookido's lab.

 

[PDL]

Now discuss and PDL, please don't smash me again.

you take the internet way to seriously.

 

[Kamex]

Ash: The show's main point, as I see it, is to watch him grow as a Pokemon trainer. As long as the writers can make creative, original new storylines for regions, let's keep it that way.

Misty: Pretty much gone, now. There isn't much of a point to bring her back anymore.

Brock: Besides the Orange Islands where Tracy replaced him, Brock's been around every single season. He's a good character, but at this point I'd like him to do more. Perhaps he could pursue Pokemon Breeding in a more organized and constant way in the next region.

May: I don't feel like I liked her character as much as many others do, although I'm not in the Misty vs. May conflict or anything like that. She was good in Hoenn, and while it wouldn't be too hard to keep her around for Contests and such, IMO another replacement would make things more interesting. Pokemon Coordinating gets boring a bit too fast.

Tracy: Meh, nothing important about him. Having him go further in whatever he does would be nice, but only as a few side episodes.

Max: As soon as the writers consider him ten years old, he should have more importance. An idea that just came to mind is to have him be one of Ash's rivals at that time he starts being a trainer. He wouldn't travel with Ash, but we don't want his crew to be overcrowded anyway. He can be replaced along with May!

 

[octoboy]

Now, here's another question. What do you want to see in the pokemon anime?

 

[Kamex]

Now, here's another question. What do you want to see in the pokemon anime?

Well, that's basically what I answered. I didn't really comment on what I actually think they're going to do with the main group.

 

[Geki]

Ash: I want him to become a stronger trainer, and maybe grow up a little too.
May: I want her permanetly removed off of the show.
Max: Should capture a Pokemon
Misty: I want Misty back for good, in place of May
Brock: He needs to leave too
TR: They need to leave too, except for Meowth and Cacnea

 

[Jesse GS the II]

Rebuttal time.

Ash: I want him to become a stronger trainer, and maybe grow up a little too.

In case you haven't noticed, that's been happening for the last five years or so.

May: I want her permanetly removed off of the show.

Oh goody, another goddamn Kasumi purist. Basically, you're willing to sacrifice the show's leaps and bounds in character development and story structure just so you can look at Kasumi again and pray that she and Satoshi finally kiss "just like I know they will". And people wonder why I hate PokéShipping.

Max: Should capture a Pokemon

I'll give you that. It'd allow for further character development, for sure.

Misty: I want Misty back for good, in place of May

Clearly, you have no idea why Kasumi got written off the show in the first place. SHE GOT OLD. They ran out of ideas for her. Her personality had become inadvertently destroyed due to her lugging Togepi around everywhere. There's nothing left for her to do. She's gone. She's never coming back. Move on.

Brock: He needs to leave too

Not necessarily. While Kasumi had no hope of redemption, there's still a chance for Takeshi. As I mentioned before, I think it'd be great if he began assisting Haruka in her contests - he knows all about Pokémon and their unique qualities, so why not administer that to teaching Haruka how to best analyze her competition and utilize her own Pokémon to the best of their ability? Plus, his culinary skills would probably result in better Polocks than the ones Haruka knows how to make.

TR: They need to leave too, except for Meowth and Cacnea

...The hell? So you only want Nyasu and Kojirou's Sabonea following Satoshi-tachi around? Do try to explain this, as I can't understand your logic at all.

 

[CyberCubed]

Not necessarily. While Kasumi had no hope of redemption, there's still a chance for Takeshi. As I mentioned before, I think it'd be great if he began assisting Haruka in her contests - he knows all about Pokémon and their unique qualities, so why not administer that to teaching Haruka how to best analyze her competition and utilize her own Pokémon to the best of their ability? Plus, his culinary skills would probably result in better Polocks than the ones Haruka knows how to make.

If the writers didn't have Brock do this in Hoenn and BF, they're certainly not going to do it in D/P land.

That and the fact that Brock has never been May's mentor to begin with, which is why May never looks to him for advice or whatever. She learns either from Ash or her various coordinator friends.

Anyway, Brock has been seriously run into the ground since AG began, and it's time to give him a break. Ash has surpassed him since the start of AG, and he no longer looks at him as a mentor figure anymore. With May and Max under Ash's wing rather than Brock's, he's the oddball out.

He's been reduced to a cook who explains Ash's battle strategies, that's it. With the improvement of May and the vast knowledge that Max obtained, even they don't need to hear it from him anymore.

I'd rather they write him out now before he gets run into the ground any more than he has. He's become the next Johto!Misty and no longer has a purpose on the series. After 400 episodes, it makes sense that he's run his course.

Just find him a girl and get him the hell off the main cast.

 

[STJ]

Letsee

Ash: The main character. Yeah, there are some animes where they change the main character at times (Digimon being an example) But after so long, I have the feeling that he's staying put. I don't mind that.. I suppose I admire his determination and he's quite funny at times, though he isin't my favourite character.

May: I'm quite glad that the writers introduced her, she's a breath of fresh air to be honest, and I don't konw if I waould have continued watching Pokemon if I hadn't known that a new girl was in the cast.. Meh, I'm not into Contests and such , and well, I'm probably one of the few girls in existence who ISIN'T a Drew fangirl (I would say more, but I won't, let's just say he's lucky he isin't real) but I do like her as a character, and I'm pretty sure she's staying for a long while yet

Brock: I have to say it, his despiration for a girl makes him a very funny character, perhaps' he's my favourite... I really feel that there's alot of potential in his character that the wrtiers have failed to tap into, and that saddens me... I'm not sure whether he'll be in the next region or not.. If he is, I"ll be happy, and if he goes back home, well, whatever doesn't kill him makes him stronger

Misty: I don't hate her, but I want her to stay at the Gym.

Max: He has alot of potential too, I'm sure that if May is there, so is he.

 

[Pokemon4Ever]

Ash:I can't stand him anymore. He is boring and he's a glory hog. Of course he will never leave as much as I wish he would. He was ok at the start, but his personality died a harsh death.
May:She is a very decent character who actually LOOSES once in a while which makes her contests much more interesting than Ash's gym battles.
Brock:He is very funny and unique. Although he MIGHT leave, I am kind of hoping he won't since he is a good source of information and he's humorous.
Misty:Well, I am somewhat glad she's gone. I just thought she was too mean, so she should just stay at the gym, or maybe visit a while.
Max:He's ok, but he is a major jerk to May which is expected, but he can be kinda boring at times but he's decent overall.
Tracey:This guy was REALLY boring. I am just glad Brock came back to take his place.

 

[Blues]

Ash: I really don't like him much anymore, he's lost his charm. He's gotten pretty boring with his battles, and hogs most of the episodes.

May: A character I disliked from the start. I don't really like the fact that she's mostly cheery most of the time, though she brought in contests, I suppose that's something. I still think I would've liked her more if she were on her own (Maybe with Max or something), as I dislike the way she interacts with the other main characters.

Brock: For the love of god, Brock, do SOMETHING. His character is now stale and boring, since he's basically a cheerleader. Has he even SAID anything about beeing a breeder since Kanto?

Max: Also another boring character, but he can be redeemed. Since he's still young, there will most likely be sometime where he gets pokemon of his own. I just want it to happen in a little while, so he won't be the little geek on the sidelines.

Misty: I'll admit, I like her a lot more than May, but that's Misty before she became a "mother" to Togepi and did absolutely nothing. I always liked her fights with Ash, as they seemed to be more natural (they were like friendly rivals, rather than friends that got in fights out of nowhere).

 

[octoboy]

Ash: Well, his main problem is that he wins too much. As said before, Ash gets all the glory. I'd also hope he starts caring about more than just his pikachu.

Brock: Brock could easily be replaced, all he does is cook and cheer. He needs a good replacement though. Someone who can be interesting. People were pretty mad when Tracey tried to take his place. What we need is someone who could be as funny as Brock's fans say he is.

May: The last time I saw May (which was pretty early) I thought that they should go further with her than that bathing suit gag. She's probably changed now, though and I don't know enough about what she's like now.

Max: I think he needs a pokemon. Some people like that there's someone in the group that's not a trainer, but I think he needs to do more than just say, "Go Ash and May!"

Misty: I might like to see her and May both in the group for a while and see what they make of each other. I know this won't happen though.

Jessie, James, Meowth: I won't like it if they left, but I'd like to see the writers not make them the bulk of the plot of practically all episodes.

 

[Evil Munchlax]

Ash:I agree with octoboy.Ash gets all the glory.Plus he uses pikachu in almost every battle!He needs yo use his grovyle,swellow and,phanpy more often. May:I think she is a great character!Way better than misty.but the contests do get boring.I actuly thought May and Misty would be in arivlrey for Ash. Brock:great character but he does have to do something new.plus he should get onix back on his team I mean no pokemon on his team are rock cept for bonsly. Misty:got extreemly boring when master quest started.Even before that she wasnt intristing. Tracey:boring...when pokemon 2000 came out I was so ticked I thought they replaced brock with this jerk forever. Max:I think he should at least get one pokemon and soon I hope.maybe there saving that for D/P seres. TR: keep um.Its good for a seres to have some idiots.

 

[octoboy]

May:I think she is a great character!Way better than misty.but the contests do get boring.I actuly thought May and Misty would be in a rivalrey for Ash.

You must have been listening to the poke and advance shippers who take anything remotely possibly a shipping hint way to seriously. Seriously, pokeshipping and advanceshipping are only in the minds of shippers, not in the minds of the writers (or at least the original writers, dubbers are different).

 

[Evil Munchlax]

No I just thought there was a spark between Ash and Misty.Same for him and May so i thought they were gonna be at each otherthe entire episode they met.

 

[Yamato-san]

it was brought up that they missed an opportunity in having Takeshi help Haruka make Polocks. It's a real shame they didn't do that, because all the different berries could actually be worth showcasing when you think about it. Sure, they don't do much, they're just inanimate objects, sure as hell not worth making whole episodes surrounding them (though they could tie into more episodes, like the contest with Kaede, Mirage Island, Gonbe's capture), but it is worth noting that the berries seem a bit like Pokemon in a way. They were made complex enough to have their own flavor text, and much like Pokemon represent the animals of the world, for the most part, berries represent fruits and vegetables in real life. But as I said, it's a missed opportunity.

 

[Seiryu]

What do I want for the main cast? Actually, for all of 'em to be replaced.

...

Okay, not all. Really only Ash, maybe Brock as well; their personalities have, from my point of view, stagnated. When was the last time either of them received any sort of major character development? Ash, in Dewford? Think so. I don't like having characters acting almost the same way for more than a hundred episodes, thank you very much.

Individually:

Ash: As I said, I would like it if he went away even for a little while, or at least didn't hog the spotlight as much as he does. Yeah, he's the main character, but why can't we have more than two or three episodes in three or more seasons dedicated to one of the less-important characters (in this case, Brock or Max)?

May: Really, I think she's quite fine where she is now. Out of the entire main cast, she got probably the greatest amount of development in Hoenn, and her two main rivalries are still quite fresh and fun to watch. She still has plenty of room to go as well; as a coordinator, while she's matured, she still makes a number of mistakes. Just so long as her pokémon don't become more uber than they already are, I'll be fine (and even then, it's the pokémon, and not the trainer, that're uber)

Brock: Unfortunately, should there be a replacement after the Battle Frontier finished up, I think that Brock is most likely to be switched out unless the writers have something planned for him to do in the following region. And honestly, I think that would be a...desirable fate for him. His personality is probably the most stagnant of the whole bunch (IIRC, the last time he made an attempt at pursuing his goal of being a breeder, at least in the dub, was the episode in mid-Johto where Suzie made that one-episode return and got her Vulpix back). However, I really, really hope that the writers let him do more than cheer and analyze Ash and May's opponents' battle strategies from the sidelines and let him stick around for the next region. He's my favorite character of the current cast, and while it's not too hard to teach someone to cook, it is pretty difficult to mimic his particular brand of comic relief.

Max: His character has arguably the most possible development. A couple of episodes dedicated to him (like the Ralts ep) are among the best of AG, and I think we fans should have a bit more of that. Unfortunately, I'd say that chances of that happening are about one in a hundred, possibly less, until the kid catches a pokémon of his own. With Pokémon's writers having a tendency to waste any sort of potential, however, I'd say that even that's not too likely--and giving him something of his own to do would be almost out of the question. Which, coincidentally, is exactly what I want him to do.

Misty: If she came around again (and especially if she replaced one of the current characters), I...well, let's just say I wouldn't be happy. This is because throughout a large portion of the series, she was one of my favorite characters. However, Johto killed her personality (or was it Togepi who did it?), her relationship with Ash was resolved when he repaid her for her bike, and she has little to no business travelling with Ash anymore for extended periods of time (especially now that she pretty much runs the Cerulean gym by herself while her sisters, being as lazy as they are, sit back and try to give challengers badges for no apparent reason). She's fine where she is.

Tracey: Well, I kinda wish he did more, but that's partly because I adore Scyther. However, as much as I like him as a character, he'd be less useful to the current group than Brock (I mean, at least Brock knows how to cook!) and would end up contributing just as much (or even less) to the non-food-related portions of a given episode. I like Tracey, and I wouldn't stand for it if something happened to kill his character. He's fine helping Oak out at the lab, really.

Jessie/James/Meowth: Ah yes. I really wish they'd have a bit of a darker role in the show. You remember what they were like back at the start of the original series? Yeah. Put simply, I want them back. I mean, it's totally possible to be both dark and funny at the same time! If not that, then I at least want them to get a life. Wonder if they've ever noticed that they tend to be a lot more successful doing regular jobs than following the twerps and attempting (read: failing) to capture Ash's Pikachu and whatever pokémon might be around? Or maybe that their plans would probably be a lot more successful if they didn't happen to go everywhere the twerps happen to end up? Seriously, even if they don't leave, the show needs at least some serious villains. Bringing in more big TR schemes or not shafting the next antagonist group would be good ideas, for sure.

 

[octoboy]

No I just thought there was a spark between Ash and Misty.Same for him and May so i thought they were gonna be at each otherthe entire episode they met.

Ok, sorry. Whoa, It sure is a surprise to see somebody who supports pokeshipping and advanceshipping.

 

[Evil Munchlax]

Huh?I dont realy get this pokeshipping stuff your talking about.it was just an idea i had.