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The Official American Election 2008 Thread

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Oh okay just wonderin. Well I guess you dislike Palin in other ways....oh and I've heard a poll that combined 10 polls together has McCain down 3.7%..I forgot what it was but I think this race is tighter tahn the media wants to bleed out.

Oh France Double Didgit Unemployment and Inflation and all that so it's not pretty and pink there.
Every country has its problems, blaming it on Socialism isn't the best thing to do, though. America has a lot of problems, is capitalism to blame?
 

Ethan

Banned
Okay guys, seriously. Why are we bringing up the fact that McCain is old and might die? Reagan was 73 when he ran for office. We all know what a horrible president he was. Not to mention McCains mom is still alive. As BigLutz told me in IM, if you are going to argue that a candidate is too old, at least make sure his parents are dead first. -_-;
 

Scizito_92

koledge graduit!!!11
Okay guys, seriously. Why are we bringing up the fact that McCain is old and might die? Reagan was 73 when he ran for office. We all know what a horrible president he was. Not to mention McCains mom is still alive. As BigLutz told me in IM, if you are going to argue that a candidate is too old, at least make sure his parents are dead first. -_-;
Yet I doubt Reagan had a number of life threatening illnesses. If I'm wrong, please tell me otherwise.

(Anyone enjoy McCain's new stump speech in my sig?)
 
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GrizzlyB

Confused and Dazed
Just to throw this in for the discussion on how socialism is affecting countries, I went to France and England over the summer, and I can verify that the prices they pay for everything is RIDICULOUS. Although, admittedly, I'm not certain it's due to their socialist government's, that's really the only explanation I could possibly think of. Trust me, those types of prices in and of themselves offer a lot less freedom to do most things.

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Yet I doubt Reagan had a number of life threatening illnesses. If I'm wrong, please tell me otherwise.
You seem to be implying that McCain does. What might those be? I'm honestly interested to know.
 

BigLutz

Banned
Yet I doubt Reagan had a number of life threatening illnesses. If I'm wrong, please tell me otherwise.
You mean other than getting shot during his first term?
 

Scizito_92

koledge graduit!!!11
You seem to be implying that McCain does. What might those be? I'm honestly interested to know.
Well to start things off, his four bouts with skin cancer (melanoma). The symptoms of BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) he shows. Being a prisoner of war in Vietnam allows for more than enough time to become subject to this.

"Surgery in 2000 removed what doctors classified as a stage 2A -- out of 4 -- melanoma. Surgeons also removed 34 lymph nodes as a precautionary measure near the cancer and part of his saliva-producing parotid gland. This was the worst stint of McCain's at least five bouts of skin cancer, with which other areas were removed from his left shoulder, arm and nose. A biopsy of a small patch of skin removed from John McCain's right cheek in July showed no evidence of skin cancer, McCain's doctors said."

-Website I quoted from
-Other website

Also BigLutz, the last time I checked, being shot wasn't an illness.
 

BigLutz

Banned
Well to start things off, his four bouts with skin cancer (melanoma). The symptoms of BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) he shows. Being a prisoner of war in Vietnam allows for more than enough time to become subject to this.

"Surgery in 2000 removed what doctors classified as a stage 2A -- out of 4 -- melanoma. Surgeons also removed 34 lymph nodes as a precautionary measure near the cancer and part of his saliva-producing parotid gland. This was the worst stint of McCain's at least five bouts of skin cancer, with which other areas were removed from his left shoulder, arm and nose. A biopsy of a small patch of skin removed from John McCain's right cheek in July showed no evidence of skin cancer, McCain's doctors said."

-Website I quoted from
-Other website
And as posted earlier McCain is Cancer Free.

Also BigLutz, the last time I checked, being shot wasn't an illness.
No but it does provide a awful lot of stress on the body, especially with the amount of blood that was drained from his chest. I mean that kind of stress on the body of anybody is bad, on the body of a man who was almost 70 is even worse.
 

Atoyont

Brains for brawn
I don't believe there is a law that encourages that, I do know it is a variety of factors, including cheaper jobs over there, and higher taxes. Now if you want to abolish laws like the Minimum Wage and things that will possibly become laws like Obama's Higher Tax Plan on Buisnesses. Then that would really help stop the tide of overseas jobs.
Taken from the October 2008 issue of Reader's Digest:
Don't believe it? Here's how it works: IN theory, the government taxes the worldwide earnings of U.S.-based companies. But under the federal tax code, American companies have to pay taxes only on the earnings of their foreign subsidiaries when they bring that money back to the States. But there's no rule saying that those companies ever have to bring that money home. As long as they reinvest their foreign earnings abroad, they pay only the host country's (usually lower) tax rate. That's what you'd call a big, fat loophole, and big business finds a loophole like water finds a leak.

Many companies just plow the money they make overseas back into their foreign operations--things like factories that employ hundreds of workers. That means more economic growth for other countries--and less here at home. As a 2006 report by the nonpartisan Congresssional Research Service bluntly put it, this scheme is "an incentive for U.S. firms to invest abroad in countries with low tax rates.
The article goes on to say that companies invested billions in the other countries.
It also explains that this law was created during the Cold War to help combat Communism. Obviously that goal is rather null, but Congress won't get rid of it because the companies it benefits donate generously to both parties. Additionally, eliminating this law comes up every few years in the election (something I can verify somewhat; Obama alluded to getting rid of this law in the last debate), but once the President is inaugurated, nothing is done.

I'm aware that Reader's Digest isn't the best source, but it's relatively reliable.
 

Harkett

whatisthisidonteven
Bill O'Reilly BigLutz is absolutely right. And I fear the same will happen if Obama is elected to office. America has finally proved that it is not beyond racial hate. Presidential assassination = Country falls even deeper into chaos! Although, I'm aware it's speculative. And I'm not making this assumption on a race issue- I truly believe that his incompetence alone will be enough for hoards of Americans to revolt, and some are willing (referencing the Democratic National Convention incident) to point a gun at Barack Obama, and shoot it, too.

McCain is old. That's true. But Obama is inexperienced.
And inexperienced = young in the mind.
Old and wise, young and naive. I think I'll go out on a limb and choose the wise man carrying a big stick.

Sarah Palin is another story entirely, however. I don't love her, but I don't hate her either. However, the absolutely deplorable accusations being thrown at her by scripted children are unequivocally false and outlandish.

Obama Child said:
If I'm raped, let my parents decide what to do with my body.
Obama Kid #2 said:
Alaska has a rape rate more than two times higher than the US average.
And Many More. If you'd like to hear the other comments, turn to MSNBC/Affiliates. They'll surely be worshiping it.
And yes, Alaska does indeed have an elevated rape-rate. Yes. Since Palin has acquired office, however, has it not reduced drastically? Has Sarah Palin not implemented a procedure in which all sex-offenders in the state of Alaska jailed after the law was put into effect will have extensive screenings and DNA tests upon being charged, and tracked thoroughly, wherever they go, which (collectively) is the number one request by rape victims and activists?

Good Gracious. Uneducated people should never open their mouths, except to let out drool.
 
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BigLutz

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Bill O'Reilly BigLutz is absolutely right.
Wish I had his kind of money.

And I fear the same will happen if Obama is elected to office. America has finally proved that it is not beyond racial hate. Presidential assassination = Country falls even deeper into chaos!
More like Presidential Assassination = Biden in Office, and then we get fun during every press conference.

McCain is old. That's true. But Obama is inexperienced.
And inexperienced = young in the mind.
Old and wise, young and naive. I think I'll go out on a limb and choose the wise man carrying a big stick.
Young in no way means Inexperienced. Obama is just a Freshman Senator who has barely served 1/4th of his first term before he ran for President. If he say won the Senate Seat in 2000 instead of losing in a Congressional battle, no one would say Obama is inexperienced. If Obama were to be elected Vice President and then 4 years later ran for President, no one would say he was inexperienced.

Age has nothing to do with it, a paper thin resume on the National Level does.


It does. Yes. Since Palin has acquired office, however, has it not reduced drastically? Has Sarah Palin not implemented a procedure in which all sex-offenders in the state of Alaska jailed after the law was put into effect will have extensive screenings and DNA tests upon being charged, and tracked thoroughly, wherever they go, which (collectively) is the number one request by rape victims and activists?

Good Gracious. Uneducated people should never open their mouths, except to let out drool.
You really seem to be rambling, could you explain or provide well.. any information?
 

Harkett

whatisthisidonteven
BigLutz said:
Young in no way means Inexperienced.
But Inexperienced can mean young. When I said "Young in the mind", I meant premature in Senate years. Forgive me for not clarifying.

BigLutz said:
If he say won the Senate Seat in 2000 instead of losing in a Congressional battle, no one would say Obama is inexperienced. If Obama were to be elected Vice President and then 4 years later ran for President, no one would say he was inexperienced.
Hypotheticals. The fact is, he didn't. He would have been wise to, however. Therefore, he is inexperienced. Paper-thin, indeed.

BigLutz said:
You really seem to be rambling, could you explain or provide well.. any information?
Forgive me, again. I just feel strongly on this issue.

Allow me to elaborate.

McCain - Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella on the rape issue in Alaska said:
As governor, Palin has worked in a variety of ways to tackle the problem of sexual assault and rape, including making domestic violence a priority of her administration, Comella said. Alaska routinely has the nation's highest rate of sexual assault.

Lawmakers became involved in 2000 when reports began coming in that police departments were charging sexual assault victims for the kits and the forensic exams, which cost from $300 to $1,200 at the time. The kit, a package of sample containers, swabs and other medical supplies, is used to collect evidence from women after they are attacked.

Then-Gov. Tony Knowles said Thursday that Wasilla was unique in the state in charging rape victims for the cost of doing the law enforcement necessary for solving the crime.
I know words mean next to nothing, so to back up the rhetoric-

TIME Magazine's Poltical Resume on Sarah Palin

Bipartisan Index Of Palin Facts
 

BigLutz

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But Inexperienced can mean young. When I said "Young in the mind", I meant premature in Senate years. Forgive me for not clarifying.
Yeah but that is in no mean what people say when Obama is inexperienced. It is just his paper thin resume on the national level.

I know words mean next to nothing, so to back up the rhetoric-

TIME Magazine's Poltical Resume on Sarah Palin

Bipartisan Index Of Palin Facts
Ugh this issue again. Sorry but I already covered this less than a month ago.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODA1YWM5ZjM2ZTU5ODliZTY2NTczMGUwZWYwNTVlMTQ=

The Democratic sponsor of the legislation, Eric Croft, told USA Today recently that “the law was aimed in part at Wasilla, where now-Gov. Sarah Palin was mayor.” Yet in six committee meetings, Wasilla was never mentioned, even when the discussion turned to the specific topic of where victims were being charged. (The Matanuska-Susitna Valley, the surrounding region — the most densely populated region of the state, and roughly the size of West Virginia — is mentioned in passing.) Croft testified at the hearing where Phillips read the Juneau woman’s statement, so he must have known that it was a problem well beyond Palin’s jurisdiction, even if he chose not to tell USA Today about it.

2. The deputy commissioner of Alaska’s Department of Public Safety told the State Affairs Committee that he has never found a police agency that has billed a victim. In light of Wasilla’s low number of rapes according to available FBI statistics (one to two per year, compared to Juneau’s 30-39), and the fact that the Wasilla Finance Department cannot find any record of charging a victim for a rape kit, it is entirely possible that no victim was ever charged.

3. Three times, witnesses told the committees that hospitals were responsible for passing the bill on to victims, not police agencies. If the bill went straight from the hospital to the victim, without ever being sent to the police department, this would explain why no confirming paperwork could be found in the Wasilla Finance Department. This information also fortifies Palin’s claim that she was never aware of the policy, as it is more plausible that a mayor would not be aware of a private hospitals’ billing policy than of the police department’s billing policy.
 
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randomspot555

Well-Known Member
Just to throw this in for the discussion on how socialism is affecting countries, I went to France and England over the summer, and I can verify that the prices they pay for everything is RIDICULOUS. Although, admittedly, I'm not certain it's due to their socialist government's, that's really the only explanation I could possibly think of. Trust me, those types of prices in and of themselves offer a lot less freedom to do most things.
Is it possibly because you spent a lot of time in places such as Niece, Paris, and London, which are world class cities and EVERYTHING there is really expensive, just like in...say, New York City or any other big, world city.

My experience is some things are generally more expensive. Europeans, I've heard, drink less soda. So soda costs more and you get less. Also, the price has the tax factored in, so it makes it seem like it's more. Other prices I found quite comparable, such as basic food from restaurants, coffee, and bottled water.

Of course, this was...5 years ago or so, and I was only in France. I'm sure the economy and dollar V Euro has caused things to change a bit too.
 

Harkett

whatisthisidonteven
OK, once again, minor slip up on my part.

I do not, nor have ever believed the accusations of charging victims for rape kits. I think the idea is ridiculous and unfounded.

I don't agree with 101% of the page- Time Magazine should be no man's political Bible.

I was merely agreeing with the majority of information as being 'factual' or 'damn near close to factual'. Caylee-Anthony factual. The kind where it's not provable in any sense, but there's a pretty damn good notion that it happened, in most cases.

My fault. Sorry you had to write up that whole part on my naive behalf.
 

GrizzlyB

Confused and Dazed
randomspot555 said:
Is it possibly because you spent a lot of time in places such as Niece, Paris, and London, which are world class cities and EVERYTHING there is really expensive, just like in...say, New York City or any other big, world city.

My experience is some things are generally more expensive. Europeans, I've heard, drink less soda. So soda costs more and you get less. Also, the price has the tax factored in, so it makes it seem like it's more. Other prices I found quite comparable, such as basic food from restaurants, coffee, and bottled water.

Of course, this was...5 years ago or so, and I was only in France. I'm sure the economy and dollar V Euro has caused things to change a bit too.
Granted, I spent a lot of time in Paris and London, but I also was in the French countryside for about the same amount of time, and the costs, though not as much as in the city, were still exorbitant by typical American standards. The tax being included is sort of the idea; that grossly overdone tax on everything is how they're funding all of their socialist programs. And I definitely factored in the exchange rate. Hell, even in numbers of euros/pounds to dollars, they were more, though the exchange rate would suggest otherwise.
 
LOL. Yes.

I, for one, am a Conservative. And I completely support Hillary Clinton. If I could vote, I would be a swing voter to put it simply.

Clinton, even though I disagree with some things, I think would be the best for the country. The one thing I don't think she is right on is the war on Iraq, but I think she would have a firm standing on foreign policy.

John McCain is my second pick. If it comes down to him and Obama, I'll totally support him. I think McCain would handle the war best out of anyone. Though, I don't think his economy plan is the best.

Barack Obama. No. Just no.

Huckabee and Paul just need to give it a rest. In the end, it's gonna be Hillary/Obama vs. McCain/Romney.
I support Barack. Though people i know are afraid that McCain will win because i heard that he will be the oldest president if he gets nominated. Barack is doing really well in the elections too. Because the election is so tight,i am exicted to see who wins!
 

Kyogre35

First avy..no touchy
Anyone here about Pennsylvannia??

Well there's a story. That as you see in this Average poll done by Realclearpolitics...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_mccain_vs_obama-244.html

...that Obama is up big. But an internal poll for the Obama campaign has it 2% Obama-McCain.

It's interesting to say the least. Also the Governer and Rep's are saying for Obama to come back to Penn and campaign. It looks like this race it kinda deciving. And I don't trust the pollers.

In fact right now I looked at the Ohio polls in which Obama on RCP is up by 6. But the polls that have Obama up 14 and 9 have the MoE 4 and 4.2% so that really says nothing if the MoE is that much. In fact some of the polls that have 3% MoE have McCain up.

If you don't believe me look on RCP.

So I think voters are a bit to a lot sceptical about electing someone with little experiance. And I don't blame them.
 

Kyogre35

First avy..no touchy
Anyone here about Pennsylvannia??

Well there's a story. That as you see in this Average poll done by Realclearpolitics...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_mccain_vs_obama-244.html

...that Obama is up big. But an internal poll for the Obama campaign has it 2% Obama-McCain.

It's interesting to say the least. Also the Governer and Rep's are saying for Obama to come back to Penn and campaign. It looks like this race it kinda deciving. And I don't trust the pollers.

In fact right now I looked at the Ohio polls in which Obama on RCP is up by 6. But the polls that have Obama up 14 and 9 have the MoE 4 and 4.2% so that really says nothing if the MoE is that much. In fact some of the polls that have 3% MoE have McCain up.

If you don't believe me look on RCP.

So I think voters are a bit to a lot sceptical about electing someone with little experiance. And I don't blame them.
 

Scizito_92

koledge graduit!!!11
And as posted earlier McCain is Cancer Free.
As in he never had cancer, or it will never come back?

No but it does provide a awful lot of stress on the body, especially with the amount of blood that was drained from his chest. I mean that kind of stress on the body of anybody is bad, on the body of a man who was almost 70 is even worse.
And this helped him in the presidency... how? I don't see what you're getting at.
 

Kyogre35

First avy..no touchy
As in he never had cancer, or it will never come back?
He right now is cancer free for i think his life so I'm positive he won't have it again.


Scizito_92 said:
And this helped him in the presidency... how? I don't see what you're getting at.
It didn't the point is you can have problems with your body but still be president.
 
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