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The Official WWE/AEW Thread, Brother!

ger9119

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Part timers do work with newer guys, mania was proof of that and even going a year back they had a part timer put over the Shield for two months. I don't think they rely on them too much, they did with Rock but that's Rock certain part timers just draw so you have to feature them but they rely on young guys just as much. Owens doesn't conform or listen to people in this run he doesn't listen to Regal on NXT and has done whatever he's wanted on main roster, it's pretty much the same thing just that they use his family for the reason of it not being a carbon copy of his ROH stuff.
 

Sid87

I love shiny pokemon
I hope Owens is watching Bray Wyatt's pointless midcard career of going from meandering feud to meandering feud with no real direction or purpose. He may want to take notes for his next several years.

What's weird is that the main event made me even MORE upset. It honestly looked like, for about a minute, that Rollins was going to look decent against Brock. For a minute or so, he seemed to have Brock scouted, and was using his speed and tenacity to stay free. I honestly thought "Hey, we might have a MATCH here!". Then came 14 suplexes in a row, and the current world champion ended up looking like total and complete garbage; against a guy who immediately proceeded to get mauled by a senior citizen. Ultimately, Rollins didn't even have a plan, which is his entire character. He went up against Brock Lesnar with no strategy whatsoever except to just try to bail with the title at one point.
 
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ger9119

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I hope Owens is watching Bray Wyatt's pointless midcard career of going from meandering feud to meandering feud with no real direction or purpose. He may want to take notes for his next several years.

What's weird is that the main event made me even MORE upset. It honestly looked like, for about a minute, that Rollins was going to look decent against Brock. For a minute or so, he seemed to have Brock scouted, and was using his speed and tenacity to stay free. I honestly thought "Hey, we might have a MATCH here!". Then came 14 suplexes in a row, and the current world champion ended up looking like total and complete garbage; against a guy who immediately proceeded to get mauled by a senior citizen. Ultimately, Rollins didn't even have a plan, which is his entire character. He went up against Brock Lesnar with no strategy whatsoever except to just try to bail with the title at one point.

Brock had the upper hand on Taker and then he got kicked in the groin, being realistic here if you get kicked in the groin you're going to have trouble fighting back, Taker got a cheap shot in and then mauled him since you left out that detail just like you did when Authority took Lesnar's knee out to put him down. Rollins had a plan, Brock just eliminated that plan on the last two Raws. He kept up with Brock the best he can, I don't know why you expected a fair even match when nothing hinted towards that happening. See you complained about Taker mauling him but wanted Seth to go evenly against him when he beat Kofi easily whose the exact body build of Rollins. This is why WWE booked themselves into a jam, you can't have Brock in matches with smaller guys anymore cause he's too dominate and if they make a little guy look strong against Lesnar it brings down the appeal and drawing power of Lesnar. That was a good way to keep Brock strong and keep belt on Rollins.

You're so wrong about Owens, Wyatt isn't a midcard guy either. Owens looked great and was booked stronger than Cena and lost two close matches where he took tons of punishment, it was his first main roster feud and he looks better now than he did before it started so if the feud is done It's mission accomplished for Owens as he is an established main event guy and a super credible one at that. Wyatt is so pointless as he's beaten Jericho, Bryan , Roman , Ambrose and Ryback on PPV and a Mania feud with a legend that's so dumb and pointless, he's a top heel and will be a top face I don't know what else you want from his character and booking. And they are setting up another feud with Sting so that's a big deal don't think that's pointless
 
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Laser Shuckle

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Booked stronger than Cena!? Are you in complete denial mode or something? You must really have blinders on if you think Owens is now "super credible" at this point after losing clean twice to Cena and tapping out no less. Now his victory at Elimination chamber looks like a total fluke and no, having him lose after 4 AA's doesn't mean anything when every championship match between them as of late includes like 500 false finishers.

I know you like WWE but come on, You'd have to be completely blind not to see how they've dropped the ball here. And losing your very first feud in unanimous fashion isn't going to help anyone as evidenced by the fact that nobody Cena has faced in the last 5+ years has been elevated by losing a feud to him like this.

As for the main event I agree with Sid, that match was a mess and Undertaker sadly to me has no business in the world title scene anymore, much less starring in another rematch for a feud that already ran it's course an entire year ago...
 

ger9119

Well-Known Member
Booked stronger than Cena!? Are you in complete denial mode or something? You must really have blinders on if you think Owens is now "super credible" at this point after losing clean twice to Cena and tapping out no less. Now his victory at Elimination chamber looks like a total fluke and no, having him lose after 4 AA's doesn't mean anything when every championship match between them as of late includes like 500 false finishers.

I know you like WWE but come on, You'd have to be completely blind not to see how they've dropped the ball here. And losing your very first feud in unanimous fashion isn't going to help anyone as evidenced by the fact that nobody Cena has faced in the last 5+ years has been elevated by losing a feud to him like this.

As for the main event I agree with Sid, that match was a mess and Undertaker sadly to me has no business in the world title scene anymore, much less starring in another rematch for a feud that already ran it's course an entire year ago...

Please read my posts, I said Owens should've won and that was the right choice. I'm not overreacting like you guys are making it seem like Owens is dead in the water, he's barely been in WWE a year and has done so much already and it wasn't a fluke win don't be dumb and blind with Cena hate, Cena has made Owens look like a million bucks even though Owens should've won. Taker isn't in the title picture, his feud with Wyatt was to prove he can still win and to set up a rematch. The negative reaction to Taker and Rollins as of late here is a joke when everyone hated Lesnar and hated his title run and now they want it again. Owens the entire feud was stronger, he lost at MITB but got revenge after match and other than the AA after Cesaro match and last night Owens had the upper hand the whole feud. If you don't think Owens is super credible than you're super stupid, believe it or not you can lose a feud and get put over that's what happened to Owens and to Wyatt but with Wyatt he got smashed after the Cena feud to make Cena look like a threat to Brock cause they booked him to a point where no can credibly beat him clean on the roster. I hated the end to Cena/Owens but I'm not going to go back to Cena buries young guys when he's been praised here and other places for doing opposite for the past two months or so
 
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Laser Shuckle

Well-Known Member
Call it whatever you want; the simple truth is he's done nothing but halt and damage the momentum and credibility of his opponents in every single one of his feuds for the better part of a decade now. And if it weren't for the fact that Bryan and Punk managed to get over on their own (Punk with his Pipebomb, Bryan with his yes chant and moveset, etc.) they would've probably suffered a similar fate.

And no, he's been praised for putting on good matches... If you think some random encounter with Cena and subsequent loss with absolutely no real storyline attached is going to put anyone new over you're just as delusional as they are. Want proof? Just look at where all his challengers are now as opposed to where they were before facing Cena. There's almost zero difference... And yes I know that's not all Cena's fault, but he's certainly not helping in his own right either. Face it they've been throwing names at Cena for years and years with the mentality that just being in the ring with him and kicking out of his finisher means something and is going to magically elevate someone beyond midcard purgatory in of itself and it NEVER happens, expecting anything different at this point is complete insanity by definition.

Or we could just sink down to the level of cheap name calling if that's what you feel you have to resort to... You do realize you're the only one here acting like Cena didn't just smash Owen's credibility and momentum into tiny little pieces right? I guess we're all super stupid and you're the only smart one here.
 
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ger9119

Well-Known Member
You pretty much said i'm delusional so you earned that comment. Hey, I think Cesaro got put over from the random encounters and he's made every one of those challenges good and by making the guy better than he was coming into the match, he legit had a 8 minute or so match with Zack freaking Ryder for you to think he's purposely going around burying everyone in sight is just doesn't make sense. Without Cena, that Punk pipebomb is worthless and the whole Yes Movement wouldn't have mattered either, Wyatt and Owens aren't midcarders and either is Rusev who was in line to win the IC title before he got hurt but we'll blame Rusev losing momentum on Cena and not the fact that he broke his foot and was used as fodder for Lana and Ziggler's failed storyline. To think Punk and Bryan got over on their own is hilarious because before the big Cena feuds one was losing pre show matches to Truth while the other was a tag team specialist. It's the cool thing to say Cena buries guys, and I do agree with his stuff from 2007-2011 was horrible but most of the guys he beat weren't really top flight main event talents they were elevated to fight Cena. Since the last Rock match he really hasn't been super Cena of old, and this run with the US Title adds to that point as most of the guys are either debuting from NXT or are fresh from NXT or guys who've been jobbing for months and he had long matches with all of them if the burying thing was true he would be WWE champion right now.

He didn't smash his momentum or credibility to pieces, he lost to Balor clean as well and that didn't hurt him at all so why would losing to Cena be any different, you would think losing to a guy in NXT would be worse than losing to a 15 time world champion. It's not Cena's fault creative flops for 90% of the guys on the roster, the top guy shouldn't be losing often and should be winning most of his feuds how many guys did Austin, Rock, Hogan etc put over clean in there careers? It's a very small number, heck Austin left WWE for a time because he refused to put Lesnar over when he first started on the roster. For a top guy Cena has put over guys who deserve it (Punk and Bryan), has made lesser names look better than what they really are (Rusev) and put a guy over clean in his first match on the main roster and within a few months of him to signing to WWE when was the last time they signed an Indy star and gave them a mega push like Owens has oh wait right never. Most of the guys they've fed Cena over the years were horrible and didn't deserve to be put over (Khali, Umaga , Kozlov etc). There's no company in Wrestling that lets there top guy lose feuds like people expect Cena to lose feuds, if he lost as much as everyone here wants him to lose beating him wouldn't matter. Tanahashi doesn't put everyone over and he hasn't lost a feud in years while Cena has put plenty of guys over that are good enough for it. They rushed Wyatt into that feud with Cena honestly, he didn't have many big wins at all so him losing was a lot worse but I think his character direction is what's brought Wyatt down to earth not Cena. I'm not going to agree with everyone for the sake of agreeing with everyone, we'll see if i'm proven wrong with Owens i'm fairly confident I won't be though. People bring up Barrett as someone who he should've put over, hindsight 20/20 the guy sucks and is hurt constantly and has had more failed gimmicks than any guy in recent memory.

I'm sure Stone Cold was made because of a loss to Bret Hart, there's been other cases where guys lost to top guys and became stars because of it. I don't agree with the submission victory, but to give up on Owens and saying that he's stuck in the midcard for his whole career is really silly. And with Cena he's gotten more guys over than any number one guy in WWE ever has. The only guy i remember Austin putting over was Jericho and that was because of plenty of outside crap, and Jericho was never a true main event guy until 2008 because he never got a clean win over the top guys. You can get a clean win, and then lose the feud and come out strong from it it's happened plenty of times and with the backing Owens has and the talent he has i'm sure he will. Wyatt has done pretty great since the Cena stuff, even though it's "pointless" to some he's still a featured guy and his feuds get top billing, I don't know what else they can do with Wyatt to please the fans but I think he's in the right spot currently his feud with Roman has been good.
 
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Platinum fan.

RetiredPokemonMaster
Well I have to admit, for a match I don't want to see that much, Lesnar vs Taker, the buildup last night was good. I was so excited. Paul Heyman's promo before the big brawl was beautiful. I loved every word he said. The brawl between Undertaker and Brock Lesnar was epic. Such a refreshing thing. The entire roster had to get out and stop them. Brock Lesnar screaming "I'll kill you!" to Undertaker was scary. I loved it. I don't recall Lesnar ever telling Cena, Reigns, or even Rollins he would kill them. Scary. That brawl was great. I want more moments like this.

The divas are getting more screentime with their new NXT friends so that's good for them. Sasha defeats Paige and Charolette defeated Brie. Good divas action. I was worried how Lana was going to get screentime with Dolph Ziggler out of action, but she found a way and Lana is back. Though does she still have to dress like she's still with Rusev? The Wyatts are back together or at least Bray and Luke Harper are. Once Eric Rowan is healed he might be back too. Looks like they will feud with Reigns and Ambrose. I'm good with that. And I never would have imaged a team of Cena, Orton, and Cesaro on RAW. But it happened. I hope Cesaro continues to get good spots in WWE. So overall a surprisingly enjoyable RAW for me. Seriously I'd be scared straight if Brock Lesnar screamed he was going to kill me. That is scary.
 

-Raiga-

Well-Known Member
If I had to take a guess, I'm going to say that battleground's crapfest between Taker/Lesnar was all creatives handling of the situation, and Taker and Lesnar just agreed to it cuz they are professionals. Then when they seen how well that went down, they probably just went to Vince and said "ummm, maybe you should let us do this feud? lol Cuz monday night was light night and day with it.

If they can keep up this momentum the whole feud through, I have to say this will be the first feud I'm genuinely interested in getting the network since....like ever. Same goes for the rest of summerslam, between the divas "revolution", Rollins/Cena, Owens/whoever, Stardust/neville/amell, etc. The deck is certainly there if WWE wants to stack it. Hell, I think the wyatt/Reigns feud could actually BE something if they put enough work into it.
 

celestial phantom

Well-Known Member
Pretty enjoyable RAW, though I hate how they already started overhyping this Summerslam match of Taker vs Lesnar. Literally filling a lot of small dead time with it, it's going to get really annoying fast if they do this each RAW building up to SS. Enjoyed the brawl though, the "I'm gonna kill you" / "You're gonna have to" lines just made it work so much better. Also, did ya'll see, Bo was fending off Lesnar upfront and pushing the guy back, all Bo had to do was BO-lieve he could stop Lesnar, he failed though, but still he tried.

As far as Sting rumors go, I really want those of him getting involved with Wyatt/Reigns feud to be a load of bull, and he's actually going to be the Special Guest Referee for Taker/Lesnar. They've practically set up for them needing one to happen otherwise a normal ref might get killed out there. Wyatt and Reigns only need the addition of Harper and Ambrose with a set of Tables to make this more interesting, which we got 2 of 3 now. We just need some Tables.

2 Divas matches, been a while since we had that on raw, and for the most part both delivered. I like the addition of Brie doing Daniel Bryan-esq moves, will get her a reaction and keep D-Bry in people's minds whenever she wrestles.

If we're getting Cena vs Rollins at SS, then I see Cena doing his open challenge, gets answered by Owens, Rollins costs him the championship, we get Cesaro/Owens to start a build up near SS, and Rollins vs Cena happens for the title which lol Cena wins. Just saying, most likely scenario right now
 

ger9119

Well-Known Member
I'm really sick so I was in and out of it durning Raw but it was a very great episode, Taker/Lesnar promo's and the big brawl between them was awesome, I think this match needs a stipulation of some sort (Hell in a Cell or Last Man Standing). I'm very happy the divas got two quality matches on the show, hoping this trend continues. A lot of the other storylines got progressed also, while some others were introduced. Cena/Rollins is a straight copy from what ROH just did with Briscoe/Lethal with Champion vs. Champion and everything, I see Seth winning and then HHH turns on him leading to a cash in, even if Cena wins I don't see it as a bad thing at all. It looks like Owens is either building towards a feud with Rusev or Sheamus here, I wouldn't mind a fatal four way match for the briefcase with Sheamus/Rusev/Cesaro/Owens. Overall the card for Summerslam is looking to be excellent, I'm guessing Ryback would be back for the match with Big Show.
 

Mye

Someone has to win..
[video=youtube;nIcIlmmhKr0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIcIlmmhKr0[/video]

Nice to see Seth Rollins has actually decided to pursue entertainment, even if it was for only one episode.
 

ger9119

Well-Known Member
Disappointed with Patrick going home on tough enough, I'm guessing they still sign him to a contract at some point as he proved to have fan support. I'm hoping ZZ wins, as the other three guys are very cookie cutter wrestlers that WWE has.
 

Hunter Zolomon

Into the Shadows
Staff member
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Censaro was phenomenal in the main event on Raw. Hopefully someday he becomes WWE champ. He's a great athletic wrestler. I've definitely been a fan of his for a while now. Honestly, I think he has what it takes to make a great champion. Hopefully he gets better on the mic and gets better at cutting promos. He's a great talent on the roster.

Also, I seriously haven't watched WWE in so long. After Wrestlemania I took a break from watching WWE. I tuned into Battleground and thought it was decent. Raw was pretty darn good last night I must admit.
 
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Sid87

I love shiny pokemon
Kevin Owens: Not buried, eh?.

http://411mania.com/wrestling/wwe-currently-has-no-plans-for-kevin-owens-at-summerslam/

– Following his loss to John Cena at WWE Battleground, Wrestling Observer Live reports that Kevin Owens has been moved from the main event scene down to the upper mid-card. The site’s Bryan Alvarez notes that Owens’s position is now comparable in WWE to the likes as Dolph Ziggler, Cesaro and Rusev, as opposed to the main eventers like John Cena, Randy Orton or Seth Rollins.

Many in the company expected Owens to win the US Title from Cena at the PPV, but obviously that didn’t happen. He’s been taken out of his feud with Cena so Cena can move on to Seth Rollins. As of now there are no plans to have him featured at SummerSlam; he’s currently set to face Finn Balor at NXT Takeover: Brooklyn the night before the PPV.

Oh, and bonus good news! Seth Rollins is next on the Cena Train To Burialville!
 

Mye

Someone has to win..
Considering we'll probably be seeing Sheamus as champion in the next few months, Cesaro could prove to be a pretty decent opponent for him (especially if Tyson Kidd returns, to possibly spark a triple-threat). Cesaro being this over is actually pretty good for the entire roster, as he's done good matches with practically everyone (including people on NXT, should they want to bring up people on there) and should he win a championship it gives a few of the people who are injured (Kidd/Zayn) a chance to immediately jump into the title picture. I also disagree with much of what ger said about him (don't want to escallate this argument too far, as then he'll bring up some random jap superstar few people have heard of and build an all out war around facts that'd need 5mins of google/youtube to prove against) but Cesaro went over after Tyson Kidd got injured, not from Cena. His match with Cena did practically little, with his Rusev win arguably being way more important overall (the fact he was instantly inserted into a 6-man tag with Cena/Orton on the raw afterwards kinda proving that).

Edit: Damn, Sid ninja'd me. Yeah, that definitely makes sense. Putting Cena in a feud with Rollins is arguably a lose-lose, as you have one guy who doesn't let anyone beat him (like the Wiz) and one guy who lets practically everyone "beat" him. If Cena wins, it'll put him ahead of Ric Flair for number of main titles won and negate the months of WWE trying to put him in the midcard/help the people there. If Rollins wins, his credibility still won't be changed and that "Cena win" that we've been wanting to see guys like Owens/Cesaro/Rusev get will essentially be wasted. All in all, should be fun trying to see them wiggle through this one.
 
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ger9119

Well-Known Member
I said I'm wait and see on Owens, he's being placed in a feud with Cesaro for Summerslam. I don't see how upper midcarder is burial you're miss using the term a burial is going from being featured to barely being on the card. Few people has heard of Hiroshi Tanahashi? Lmao you're an idiot the guy is the number two draw in wrestling the last decade after Cena, if few heard of him he wouldn't be selling out the Tokyo dome for the last ten years. Cesaro is over now because
Of the series of matches with Cena downplaying it like it's not because of that is anjoke, Kidd get hurting didn't make Cesaro over, if he didn't have those cena matches he doesn't beat rusev and hes not main eventing raw.

Rollins isn't going to get buried, stop it with that Cena buries everyone thing, rhat link Sid posted proves it. Everyone thought Lesnar would retain the belt but that was wrong, Rollins will win and then Triple H turns on him and Sheamus cashes in. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm wrong, it's just my opinion on how I view wrestling and how it's booked, Mye shouldn't be talking cause you were dumb enough to believe AJ was going to TNA , if you read my posts I pretty much layed out what I thought and said it's too early to decide if he's buried which he's not because dropping to the upper Midcard doesn't constitute a burial of a wrestler. Btw that site, and source in that article is wrong most of the time lmao just read smackdown spoilers its clear there's summerslam plans for KO

Once Owens starts losing to R Truth and other low level faces then you guys can say he's buried and I'll admit I'm wrong but I don't think that's happening. And I guess Jushin Thunder Liger/hideo itami/finn balor are all just randoms from Japan since Tanahashi is a bigger name than those three.
 
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celestial phantom

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Honestly, I didn't even consider Kevin Owens to be anywhere part of the "main event"....hell no he wasn't in any damn main event spot. Dude at the moment is a midcard/upper midcard spot feuding with Cena who is the person in the main event. Just because they are feuding/wrestling doesn't auto make them the same level. It's like Triple H and HBK in the mid-late part of the last decade, no matter where they were or did they were always main event types, and the guys they feuded with were basically midcard types that were helping fill the void on shows. Cena + Orton will always be a fitting Main Event caliber spot, despite the fact they feud with people in the mid/upper mid reaches. What I like is they have been the second main event basically on each of the last few PPV's, which is what one of the secondary titles should be considered unless there are larger personalities to take that role (i.e. Brock Lesnar in a match that isn't for say the world title).

I'm going to play wait and see before I officially list him as "buried" which won't happen until like GER said, he's losing to R-Truth on a regular basis, or a bunch of random guys who haven't been seen in forever on TV. As of right now he's cooled, and we still have a good 4 or 5 weeks to Summerslam, let's see where it goes I guess. It's really annoying how we get some of these feuds, and both guys arguably need the wins. I can see a lot of ways to salvage some momentum for Owens in follow up ways, even if he were to take a loss at the next NXT live event (losing, and the next night costing Cena his match against Rollins). Again, just a wait and see time for us now.

As far as Cesaro goes, it's still that first US title match with Cena that's getting him this push more than likely. Hell of a match that got interrupted, then was given the chance and tore the house down in match two, after said match Cena with his promo on Cesaro being a beast to the arena (why they didn't air that is stupid to help the guy get a bigger rub), beat rusev, and then last night's tag match win. I hope they push him strongly as a singles guy, because Tyson Kidd is going to be out for pretty much a full year with that injury, so unless they randomly pair him with someone else, good singles push please. Actually if they want to fill a tag team void, team him with Randy, that Spin into a catapult RKO would be a cool finisher, though I don't think it actually would make a 5 count.
 

Mye

Someone has to win..
Eva Marie debuted on NXT, easily one of the worst matches of all time. Really hoping they either release her or bring her up to the main roster, as after experiencing all of Paige/Sasha/Becky Lynch for the past 6 months them moving onto her/Alexa Bliss/Carmella is easily a giant downgrade.
 

ger9119

Well-Known Member
Eva Marie debuted on NXT, easily one of the worst matches of all time. Really hoping they either release her or bring her up to the main roster, as after experiencing all of Paige/Sasha/Becky Lynch for the past 6 months them moving onto her/Alexa Bliss/Carmella is easily a giant downgrade.

That's why its NXT developmental show and not Raw/Smackdown with the performance center and the non taped events to train them, you can't treat it like it's a main show even though they do big live specials that's only with their elite and most ready talents . Let's remember Sasha and Becky weren't who they are today same goes to Paige/Bayley/Charlotte. You can't expect the current girls to be the same as them right now since they are just debuting on the show recently and still working on becoming better, be patient they'll get there eventually and that's why they got Bayley/Emma still down in NXT in the meantime to improve the other girls workrates. I don't know why Paige is included in that as she's been on main roster for a year and a half now and hasn't been on NXT at all since her debut against AJ.
 
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