The Pokémon Circus! Flareon and Jolteon (1187)

[Risrhayne]

Or you know they discover it can gigantamax, and that's why it can't evolve. Since if i'm not mistaken, Pikachu's and Eevee's that can g-max are not able to evolve as a result.

See, the anime’s been kinda freaky with the LG adaptation. I think similar to SM, they have to fudge with the details to explain why Pikachu and Eevee can use the gimmicks of the region because in the games, you just get them as super special Pokémon. In the anime, it’s not that Pikachu and Eevee CAN’T evolve because they’re LG Pikachu and Eevee. That’s not a good reason. So the anime implies that their desire to not change is stronger than any stone. Chloe’s Eevee using Copycat is a pretty brilliant way to write around Buzzy Buzz and all the other LG moves. It was never stated that her Eevee couldn’t evolve, just that she was unsure, so her being able to GMax shouldn’t be taken as 100% proof that she can’t evolve.

 

[DatsRight]

I feel having an Eevee as is would be an okay idea if they hadn't already used base Eevee like crazy already. Both May and Serena's were an Eevee for the large majority of their screen time, while Lana's Sandy hasn't even evolved. Also while there is at least strong personality differences between Serena and Lana's Eevees, they only go so far otherwise, especially in how often they are the 'baby' for the Pokegirl each series, with even the battle focused Pokegirls not using them a whole lot progressively in spite of their screen time.

It's becoming similar to the whole Raichu situation where it actually feels like the evolutions are getting the raw end of the deal, and at least in that case we have one consistent Pikachu to develop as the main character to latch onto rather than loads of similar but different ones.

 

[Bortgreen]

Fun episode, but while i like eeveelutions(Jolteon is my fav btw) I still feel like the arc will be pointless development-wise if Eevee ends up not evolving

There's the likely Gigantamax scenario, but it not only isn't that impactful due to Max Soup, but also it's useless since Chloe doesn't ever get even close to dynamax, unless they make Darkest Day arc 2

You know what? If Eevee is not evolving, Extreme Evoboost would be a waaaay more fitting result than Gigantamax, for everything the arc had
But proportionally more unlikely...

 

[Risrhayne]

At the risk of insulting Eevee and normal-type fans, the whole Eevee Girl taxi service wouldn’t feel like such a bummer if Eevee was a good Pokémon to have. Pikachu can access pretty much all of the moves Raichu can have and is generally a good Pokémon to have since it can learn a healthy variety of moves and has advantages over some types.There’s no real reason to evolve it aside from aesthetic and dex completion.

Evolving an Eevee gives it access to such a huge arsenal of improvements that keeping it as an Eevee seems pointless. Even a few years after LG, I’m still questioning why Pikachu needed to be paired up with a Pokémon that’s basically worthless in battle until you evolve it. Unless they’re implying that boys can have the electric rat that’s just as good as Raichu and girls get the genetically-unstable fox that’s only really good at being cute unless they physically change.

I know I’m looking into this WAAAY too deeply and I apologize to Eevee fans, but when I’m playing Pokémon, I catch an Eevee to evolve them into something to balance my team because there’s nothing about Eevee besides cuteness that will make me wanna keep them an Eevee.

 

[DatsRight]

At the risk of insulting Eevee and normal-type fans, the whole Eevee Girl taxi service wouldn’t feel like such a bummer if Eevee was a good Pokémon to have. Pikachu can access pretty much all of the moves Raichu can have and is generally a good Pokémon to have since it can learn a healthy variety of moves and has advantages over some types.There’s no real reason to evolve it aside from aesthetic and dex completion.

Evolving an Eevee gives it access to such a huge arsenal of improvements that keeping it as an Eevee seems pointless. Even a few years after LG, I’m still questioning why Pikachu needed to be paired up with a Pokémon that’s basically worthless in battle until you evolve it. Unless they’re implying that boys can have the electric rat that’s just as good as Raichu and girls get the genetically-unstable fox that’s only really good at being cute unless they physically change.

I know I’m looking into this WAAAY too deeply and I apologize to Eevee fans, but when I’m playing Pokémon, I catch an Eevee to evolve them into something to balance my team because there’s nothing about Eevee besides cuteness that will make me wanna keep them an Eevee.

I admit I feel like Eevee's a bit wasted in terms of its 'base form' versatility. They could make it so Eevee stays weaker but can learn almost any typing move under the sun, especially since this is common with normal types. In that sense Pikachu's type specialty would be trading away Eevee's versatile movepool. The Let's Go Eevee's extra moves were a good allusion to this.

But really Eevee's TM and tutor move pool is pretty small in most games, even Meowth shows off the potential better. It's not a BAD Pokemon by any means, it's actually slightly buffer than Pikachu stat wise, but it lacks the same perks and bulk ups Pikachu inevitably received as the games continued until Gen 7. The strategic customisation is a lot of the fun to making a weaker Pokemon like Pikachu a proper competitor.

I don't really see what's holding it back in this regard, even in terms of 'making the Eevelutions redundant' STAB buffs kind of negate that theory.

 

[AznKei]

They absolutely have. In an absolute tone deaf to these day and age, Pokemon went from having two great pokegirls who were fully fledged and battled and could handle their own in Hikari and Haruka to girls who are nothing but cute Pokémon taxis, hardly battle or lose, don’t evolve their Pokémon, have very limited roasters, etc. The writers should read the room, is 2022.

It's 2022 but things aren't going well with what's happening in the world, but I'm not going to argue about political stuffs here...

Anyways, I found the episode pretty good, mainly because I like Chloe and Eevee. I liked that Flareon & Jolteon were surprised with Eevee's copycat ability, with perfect aiming with those copied moves too, also the first time seeing it constantly switching copied moves. Not really fan of the COTDs because they're picky with their typings and of course being clumsy to accidentally evolve their wrong Eeveelutions, because plot device. The main event routines were kinda meh but I guess the writers wanted the COTDs to settle their problems more.

Also I played Pokemon and while Eevee is meant to be evolved as a species. I always have an Eevee during most of my playthroughs and I like it better than Pikachu despite the latter having better movepool, that thing is always frail in the games that it really gets in my nerves unlike in the anime.

 

[ash&charizardfan]

They absolutely have. In an absolute tone deaf to these day and age, Pokemon went from having two great pokegirls who were fully fledged and battled and could handle their own in Hikari and Haruka to girls who are nothing but cute Pokémon taxis, hardly battle or lose, don’t evolve their Pokémon, have very limited roasters, etc. The writers should read the room, is 2022.

There was iris, she was the best battler out of all and is a champion currently.

 

[lemoncatpower]

I really enjoyed this episode! It had a lot of cute moments. Nothing crazy happened but I enjoyed this episode. Jolteon is also one of my fav pokemon and I always enjoy the episodes with it. The COTD's were enjoyable in my opinion as a lot of people have favourite pokemon types and do runs in the games with only one time of pokemon and this was like an IRL version but with the oopsies of the wrong evolutions lol.

 

[DatsRight]

There was iris, she was the best battler out of all and is a champion currently.

Iris was relatively better, but a step down from Dawn, hence why I said it was a gradual decline. She had good interactions and some bits of development, but her character arc wasn't as well defined, especially until her return appearance in Journeys.

Serena still got an arc, but was the start of them snuffing out female battlers while not doing a terrific job giving them something else to do in place of it, especially since she had the disadvantage of being in a very action focused series.

The SM girls varied, but definitely got the short straw compared to the boys. Lillie got her own cast herd and an arc at the start of the series but was mostly a supporting character for Gladion afterwards.

Chloe is unintrusive and has some development, especially with the twist of long term not even liking Pokemon or even the main character at first, but struggles to hold episodes herself. I feel like the fact she started off a bit player suggests the writers didn't have much faith giving her star appeal.

 

[AznKei]

Iris was relatively better, but a step down from Dawn, hence why I said it was a gradual decline. She had good interactions and some bits of development, but her character arc wasn't as well defined, especially until her return appearance in Journeys.

Serena still got an arc, but was the start of them snuffing out female battlers while not doing a terrific job giving them something else to do in place of it, especially since she had the disadvantage of being in a very action focused series.

The SM girls varied, but definitely got the short straw compared to the boys. Lillie got her own cast herd and an arc at the start of the series but was mostly a supporting character for Gladion afterwards.

Chloe is unintrusive and has some development, especially with the twist of long term not even liking Pokemon or even the main character at first, but struggles to hold episodes herself. I feel like the fact she started off a bit player suggests the writers didn't have much faith giving her star appeal.

I didn't watch BW, but I didn't like how Serena was handled back in XY and I'm glad I took the fanfic route after it as I wasn't ready to digest another hope from the writers, especially how the Pokegirls after her weren't handled any better most of the time.

 

[Zoruagible]

….they’re really pushing this Eeveelution World Tour. I’m gonna be quite peeved if they have Chloe pull a “I like you just the way you are” card. The next Pokegirl might as well have an Eevee photoshopped into her promotional image’s arms because they’re practically turning Eevee into the female version of Pikachu.

That's exactly where we're headed. Just sad they're lost as to how Eevee got popular in the first place, it was never because of Eevee itself but it's evolutions! Umbreon and Sylveon are consistently one of the top voted Pokemon on that yearly poll for a reason, I may hate Sylveon but even I have to acknowledge it's more popular than Eevee could ever hope to be.

And this is just getting repetitive, they didn't evolve Lana's Eevee(For some reason) and her Eevee basically replaced Primarina much like Chloe's did with Yamper(Yes it isn't necessarily hers but it stopped appearing as much it used to) and now Chloe's Eevee is looking to stay as is. I just don't see the point of giving every Eeveelution an episode, there's no reason for it when it's essentially all filler. "Oh Chloe got some random piece of trash that'll likely sit on a shelf with the rest!"

May and Serena already had Eevee too, it's just ridiculous. We don't need anymore Eevee on the cast least of all with the female, if they insist on adding another on the day they FINALLY see the light and give us Drakeon I sincerely hope they just give it to Ash. At least it'd be a spin on Eevee instead of it acting cute and being with the Pokegirl

Why can't the Pokegirls get 'ugly' or 'masculine' Pokemon anymore like Blaziken, Gyarados, Mamoswine and Excadrill? Everything has to be 'cute' and 'small' since XY....

I hope Sylveon's soon so we can get it over with and see what's next for Chloe

 

[Blue Saturday]

And this is just getting repetitive, they didn't evolve Lana's Eevee(For some reason) and her Eevee basically replaced Primarina much like Chloe's did with Yamper

That's just incorrect. Suiren's mascot starter got plenty of focus, personality, character and had it's own little arc. of development tied to her own character's interest in oceanography and water-related stuff. Nagisa didn't replace Ashirene in anyway other than letting the sea lion evolve and thus he couldn't be carried around or ride on top of her head any further. Which is a good thing because she was able to evolve to her final form and get an assortment of new moves and specialist Z-move. It was the first time a girl had a fully-evolved starter since Haruka (and Haruka only got Burysamo when her foot was out the door in her last episode)

Y’all stay leaving Suiren out of these conversations (probably because her focus and character poke a massive hole in these conspiracy theories)

 

[Bortgreen]

That's exactly where we're headed. Just sad they're lost as to how Eevee got popular in the first place, it was never because of Eevee itself but it's evolutions! Umbreon and Sylveon are consistently one of the top voted Pokemon on that yearly poll for a reason, I may hate Sylveon but even I have to acknowledge it's more popular than Eevee could ever hope to be.

And this is just getting repetitive, they didn't evolve Lana's Eevee(For some reason) and her Eevee basically replaced Primarina much like Chloe's did with Yamper(Yes it isn't necessarily hers but it stopped appearing as much it used to) and now Chloe's Eevee is looking to stay as is. I just don't see the point of giving every Eeveelution an episode, there's no reason for it when it's essentially all filler. "Oh Chloe got some random piece of trash that'll likely sit on a shelf with the rest!"

May and Serena already had Eevee too, it's just ridiculous. We don't need anymore Eevee on the cast least of all with the female, if they insist on adding another on the day they FINALLY see the light and give us Drakeon I sincerely hope they just give it to Ash. At least it'd be a spin on Eevee instead of it acting cute and being with the Pokegirl

Why can't the Pokegirls get 'ugly' or 'masculine' Pokemon anymore like Blaziken, Gyarados, Mamoswine and Excadrill? Everything has to be 'cute' and 'small' since XY....

I hope Sylveon's soon so we can get it over with and see what's next for Chloe

Tbh the ones you mentioned are just exceptions. More than what we get today indeed, but still exceptions

Dawn had her share of unevolved and/or cute pokémon and most of May's team besides Blaziken(who evolved near the finale) only evolved when she came back in Sinnoh
Even Iris who had stuff like Angrynite caught an Emolga for some reason and her Axew stayed unevolved until Journeys

 

[Risrhayne]

That's just incorrect. Suiren's mascot starter got plenty of focus, personality, character and had it's own little arc. of development tied to her own character's interest in oceanography and water-related stuff. Nagisa didn't replace Ashirene in anyway other than letting the sea lion evolve and thus he couldn't be carried around or ride on top of her head any further. Which is a good thing because she was able to evolve to her final form and get an assortment of new moves and specialist Z-move. It was the first time a girl had a fully-evolved starter since Haruka (and Haruka only got Burysamo when her foot was out the door in her last episode)

Y’all stay leaving Suiren out of these conversations (probably because her focus and character poke a massive hole in these conspiracy theories)

I agree with this, but I can’t say that makes the situation any better. Sandy’s personality really only shined prior to his capture and after that became a pretty standard cutesy mon while Popplio took the reins of developing and learning new moves. Which isn’t unlike Grookey’s arrival basically opening the door for Sobble to evolve and proceeding to not do much else.

But I disagree about Lana poking holes. Sandy had weeks worth of shorts building up to meeting Lana and all that really happened was people being surprised they weren’t a Vaporeon when Ash and Goh went to Alola because they did a better job giving us reasons why they should have evolved than stay an Eevee.

 

[Blue Saturday]

I agree with this, but I can’t say that makes the situation any better. Sandy’s personality really only shined prior to his capture and after that became a pretty standard cutesy mon while Popplio took the reins of developing and learning new moves. Which isn’t unlike Grookey’s arrival basically opening the door for Sobble to evolve and proceeding to not do much else.

But I disagree about Lana poking holes. Sandy had weeks worth of shorts building up to meeting Lana and all that really happened was people being surprised they weren’t a Vaporeon when Ash and Goh went to Alola because they did a better job giving us reasons why they should have evolved than stay an Eevee.

That's the point. Each classmate had their "character development" 'mon and their shouldermon. Nagisa was there to be cute, provide some action and be Suiren's mischievous problematic kid to replace her passive, cowardly and more docile Ashimari. He wasn't going to evolve because of his haircut (and honestly shouldn't, he's way better like this) but he likes the sea and water like Suiren hence his name and Dive Ball. He's reckless and strong and often headbutts and tackles things like a dumb dumb and that's why he has such a powerful move like Double Edge and he never expressed any desire to evolve.

At the end of the day he didn't steal Ashirene's spotlight and her arc. went off without a hitch from beginning to end with Suiren resolving at the end that though she failed Guzma did nothing wrong and she would continue to power up further in progress and growth as a trainer. It was a beautiful path from classmate who though the Water-Z move pose was cool to full fledged battler who mastered multiple Water Z-moves, saved the Legendary Kyogre, evolved her starter, trainer and partipated more in combat, beat and fished a Totem Pokemon, became besties with her mentor and Kasumi and only became a better fisherwoman.

But people always leave her out of these conversations when it came to her action, training and battle talents, she upset she lost to Guzma but ultimately happy Ashirene did her best and that whole speech was very similar to Satoshi in a way.

 

[DatsRight]

I feel like Sandy kinda took over in terms of the approach I mentioned, most of the Eevee's are kind of stagnant in terms of actual training and involvement besides evolving, and yet kinda steal limelight from their teammates in terms of characterisation and interaction moments, which is why some think Eevee's saturation isn't worth it, they're basically fluff that desaturate the more dynamic mon.

May's Eevee I remember being the point they traded out a lot of her other Pokemon such as Skitty. Most of its development and its evolution was offscreen during DP.

Serena's Eevee got more reasonable but still modest training and demoted Braixen and Pancham a bit. After it evolved it was instantly more competent, but barely even treated as a character anymore.

Sandy was pretty much stagnant but took over most interaction time as Lana's Pokemon. Even compared to the other students and their more co-existing 'development/shoulder mon' balance, Primarina became a standard 'bot' after evolving, getting training and boosts but not appearing for anything else (compare to say Turtonator/Vikavolt still getting personality moments and Marowak/Togedemaru still getting involvement or learning a new move).

Chloe's Eevee dominates limelight from Yamper, but besides spamming Copycat as its niche, doesn't give Chloe a tremendous amount more agency.

 

[janejane6178]

How was this ep from 1 to10? Idk if I should watch it so asking for your suggestions
Was it good?

 

[Risrhayne]

How was this ep from 1 to10? Idk if I should watch it so asking for your suggestions
Was it good?

6. The same 3 cute Pokémon help the Eeveelution. Chloe continues her route as an Eevee Taxi Driver and gets another trinket. The only thing worth noting is that Grookey finally used a move.

 

[Twilight-Kun]

"So hey we've been practicing this routine with eevee for a while. When are we going to evolve them so we can actually practice for the show?"
"Eh, might as well do it today since the show's in two days."
"WHY DID YOU LEAVE IT UNTIL NOW?! THEY'RE THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF EEVEE, SO THAT MEANS THE TIMING'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT AND HEIGHT DIFFERENCE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!"

But hey, at least grookey now has a new name for Let's Go Antagonize Something To Get My Trainer In Trouble And Cause The Episode Conflict, 'cause that was a bit of a mouthful

 

[k6666]

The episode quite boring tbh , the good part is the green monkey didn’t cause trouble and he reveal he has a move