Ash-Pikachu
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Torterra sweeps.
An Elite 4's Ace w/o Mega Evolution can theoretically sweep Ash's entire team as shown against Flint, so Ash-Greninja accomplishing this isn't out of the blue at all.
Trip(Pre Club Battle Tournament)vs Paul(Cynthia Battle)
Trip
Servine
Timburr
Frillish
Vanillite
Tranquill
Lampent
Paul
Torterra
Elekid
Ursaring
Murkrow
Chimchar
Weavile
if the writers happened to make a battle between two elite four members they would definitely not make it lopsided, so i think thats a reasonable assumption to make (not exactly equal but similar in level). if you pick a random elite four mega mon, chances are it will be better than a random elite four non-mega mon. not saying its an unfallible rule but it generally will be the case since megas are quite a lot strongerEliminate the notion that all E4 Pokemon are equal, or that an E4 mon w/out ME is inferior. Flint's Infernape > A-G as well.
After a barrage of Flamethrowers beforehand, yes.
Not a guy who wanted to test out his new lab experiment.
Your point? Katie and Morrison were better than a bunch of jobbers at the KL.
Swellow/Glalie/Grovyle are more than enough to take down A-G.
We can make convenient matchups as you wish, but doesn't change the end result that the Gary team was not "way better", by your admission, than the Hoenn team.
Lol.
Didn't you get the memo? A-G is better than all Champion Pokemon and can OHKO all of Ash's Pokemon save for like five.
Eliminate the notion that all E4 Pokemon are equal, or that an E4 mon w/out ME is inferior. Flint's Infernape > A-G as well.
It feats are more than enough to prove that it's E4 level. A Pokemon that managed to decisively gain the upper hand against a Champion's Mega should never be underrated just because its failure to take down MC-X, who was somewhat close to a champion level battler since ME4. Taking down nine Megas in a row and immediately defeating a E4 member's Pokemon after that despite being exhausted from the earlier battles- that's pure Champion level battling. Even the legendary Zygarde wasn't overpowering MC-X by much.A-G might take the crown of the most overrated Pokemon.
After a barrage of Flamethrowers beforehand, yes.
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The Battle Frontier did wonders for the Hoenn team and I'm still baffled how you don't get that.
you can throwing as many bayleafs at blastoise, altarias at greninja or golems at charizard and it won't do a thing. you need one pokemon who is on a similar level to actually make progress
Not going to bother arguing about A-G since I'll hear the same arguments from XYers how it's not the most overrated Pokemon ever, and that has been discussed ad nauseum.
Only Grovyle evolving and Torkoal learning Heat Wave. The difference was not so substantial that a hypothetical battle goes from 2-6 or 3-6 to a close 6-5 either way.
grovyle evolving meant that Ash had an actual powerhouse in his team, which is huge. having a tier-1 ace that is capable of sweeping half a team can change the game.Only Grovyle evolving and Torkoal learning Heat Wave. The difference was not so substantial that a hypothetical battle goes from 2-6 or 3-6 to a close 6-5 either way.
the difference wasn't as big though. blaiziken literally stopped bayleafs attacks without even looking or using a move.To an extent, but remember Drake's Dragonite. Obviously better than any one of Ash's Pokemon, but together they chip damaged to bring it down.
Eliminate the notion that all E4 Pokemon are equal, or that an E4 mon w/out ME is inferior. Flint's Infernape > A-G as well.
A-G might take the crown of the most overrated Pokemon.
Yeah Tobias Pikachu (which you consider his peak form) would beat Tyson Pikachu with at most mid difficulty. HL-Corphish doesn't have its FB feats. Torkoal went from borderline tier 5 to upper tier 3. Grovyle did okay against 1 FB Pokémon while Sceptile soloed 2 FB Pokémon including the Ace and Spencer wasn't weak or unskilled considering it took Heracross+Swellow to beat his other Pokémon. 6-3 to 6-4 depending on Battle order is where I see HL-Hoenn faring against Peak Hoenn or Kalos.
grovyle evolving meant that Ash had an actual powerhouse in his team, which is huge. having a tier-1 ace that is capable of sweeping half a team can change the game.
torkoal went from having one of the worst resumes of ash's pokemon to bringing brandon's registeel to its knees, so it improved from its training as well as learnt a new move
you forgot pikachu as well he was so solid throughout the entire BF and even beat Regice
the difference wasn't as big though. blaiziken literally stopped bayleafs attacks without even looking or using a move.
Which is why Steven needed Mega Evolution to keep up with the big gunz? Clearly, Mega Evolution is a big deal among the elites, so A-G > Flint's Infernape still applies.
These were all league-ready Pokemon. It works both ways - Corphish was able to secure its FB victories because it was already strong enough at that point.
I think with Sceptile + Heat Wave Torkoal it becomes a close 6-5 margin either way, but even with Grovyle + non-HW Torkoal, the HL team is not losing any worse than 4-6.
How would you see a match between HL-Hoenn and Peak Hoenn playing out?
Basically what I'm asking is how would you "book" some of the major battles in the Pokémon anime?
Basically what I'm asking is how would you "book" some of the major battles in the Pokémon anime?
Greninja > RegirockThis is a good and difficult question. There many things I'd like to change in Pokemon's battles, but it's often difficult for me to decide how they could be changed in a good way. For example, I don't like it how Heracross was a fall guy against Spencer, but at the same time I really like how Sceptile got 2 wins against Spencer and Swellow got 1 win and I wouldn't want to make Swellow a fall guy or Sceptile getting only 1 win so that Heracross would get a win.
How do people think Ash would fare against Brandon if Ash used GPICCS against Brandon's Regirock, Registeel, Regice, Dusknoir (assuming Dusclops has evolved), Ninjask and Solrock with Brandon being able to switch freely just like against Paul?
Paul vs Tobias 6 vs 3 fight, if the 3 Tobias's pokemon is Raikou