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The Revived Prehistory Club

Discussion in 'Clubs' started by TheCharredDragon, Jan 9, 2015.

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  1. TheCharredDragon

    TheCharredDragon Blue Frog Ninja Gal

    Lo and behold the prehistory club! Here you can discuss anything to do with prehistory, meaning you can talk about prehistoric plants, animals and even islands (yes, there are some places that used to be islands and some that turned into islands), as well as games, movies and documentaries involving such things. Oh, and of course, prehistoric Pokémon and Pokémon based on prehistoric animals or plants. The original version [thread=553029]here[/thread] having been inactive for about a year, I decided to revive the club, always having wanted to join it but never getting the chance.

    1. All SPPf rules apply

    2. All rules for Clubs apply

    3. Be respectful when debating possibilities

    The subjects happened a long time ago, and so nobody can be truly correct unless someone invents a time machine. So if someone believes Spinosaurus agypticus is bipedal because the quadruped specimen was found Morocco, or they believe it was dull colored because it might've lived in a river, do NOT tell then they're wrong.

    Co-Owner: Fosildude747

    Regular Members:
    VampirateMace
    Pink Hazard
    graymelancholia

    What time does prehistory start?

    Anything or anytime before 10,000 years ago, when painting and writing first appeared and when the last Ice Age ended, is considered prehistoric. So cavemen aren't prehistoric, but Australopithecus
    africanus
    are.

    Is this club only about dinosaurs?
    No, assuming you didn't understand or read the top. Just because it's prehistory doesn't mean it's just about dinosaurs. But dinosaurs are a popular topic as they isn't anything like them today, and become very iconic.

    Do I need to be an expert to join?

    No! Not at all! In fact, even I'm not an expert. But it'll certainly help if you know quite a bit about prehistory.

    Why are their two animals with the same first name but different second name? Like Dimetrodon angelensis and Dimetrodon booneorum?

    First, the first name is the genus, sort of like its family name for us, while the second name is its species, and sometimes there are variations between genera so they add species to differenciate them as they're still the same genera but are slightly different. So for us it's like (for example) Alice Orogia and Vern Orogia for the two Dimetrodon, Dimetrodon angelensis and Dimetrodon booneorum.

    So is there going to be talk of scientific terms and jargon?

    Well, for the most part, yes, as much of this stuff is involved with science. But there are things not involving science, like games like Fossil Fighters and movies like Jurassic Park.

    I'm thinking of maybe trying to host a question and answer competition on prehistory, but I don't know how and most likely won't be able to if it needs to use a computer.

    NEWS

    Birds found with "dinosaur bones" in their bodies 22/1/2015

    A new Cerotopsidae discovered 22/1/2015

    Michigen men find a mastodon in their backyard 16/1/2015

    Jurassic World reveals Indominus rex 16/1/2015

    Fossil Fighters Frontier revealed to be released for March 20 16/1/2015

    A new marine retile species discovered in Scotland 14/1/2015

    Theories that the famous theory of the dinosaur's death may be just a local theory 13/1/2015

    A group of Utahraptor found in a large stone in "Death Trap" 7/1/2015

    Rougue dino turns out to be a hippo 28/12/2014

    Sign-Up form:
    Name:
    Why do you want to join?:

    Yup, it's that simple.

    First topic: What do you think of the discovery of the juvenile Spinosaurus specimen found in Morocco?
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2015
  2. Fossildude747

    Fossildude747 Fossil Fighters Fan!

    Name: Fossildude747
    Why do you want to join?: I love prehistory, wanna be a paleontologist, and you invited me to be co leader

    EDIT:

    What do you think of the discovery of the Spinosaurus specimen found in Morocco?

    Didn't hear of I (I really gotta try to hear digs more) so looked it up and apparently they found it in a cave or something, not sure what I think of it xD
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2015
  3. TheCharredDragon

    TheCharredDragon Blue Frog Ninja Gal

    Heh, all right. You're in. But I think I broke the rules a bit. X/

    EDIT: So you do you know of why it's a break through? For me, at least?
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2015
  4. Fossildude747

    Fossildude747 Fossil Fighters Fan!

    No, I am not sure why it's a break through, I should try to stay updated on digs, but still all I know is it was in a cave.

    Where do you get the info about it anyways to keep you updated on digs, is there a website for it, that would be cool.
     
  5. TheCharredDragon

    TheCharredDragon Blue Frog Ninja Gal

    It's a breakthrough because the dpecimen has more complete legs, showing that Spinosaurus is actually...a quadruped, which explains why its arms were muscular and another reason why it had a sail.

    Actually, I get it from my brother, who found out through the Transformers 4 movie wikia who then researched into it.

    Here's a skeletal model of the specimen swimming: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Spinosaurus_swimming.jpg
     
  6. Fossildude747

    Fossildude747 Fossil Fighters Fan!

    Wow that is strange, I always thought it was more upright, everyone did it seems. When did this happen?

    I have a little theory, just for fun, I think spino was related to dimetrodon in a way, I mean it's got the sail and now it's quadruped too, but doesn't spino primarily eat fish unlike dimetrodon? Then again they are different animals, but we know spinosaurus can't be a dimetrodon, it's jaws are different, it's a fish eater and it probably has other different bones (plus it's legs are located under it like all dinosaurs unlike dimetrodon which stretch to the side or something like that I heard) Then again I can't be for sure without actually looking at the bones in person to point out more similarities and differences. This is interesting.

    Hope more people join the club soon.
     
  7. VampirateMace

    VampirateMace Internet Overlord

    Okay, I'll bite

    Name: VampirateMace
    Why do you want to join?: Because Paleontology is one of the many nerdy things that interest me, and has since I was a child. I still have a ton of plastic dinosaurs (which my nephews love), and most of them are stegosauruses, as stegosaurs were/are my favorite group of dinosaurs.

    It's why my paranormal focused blog is called Problematica (which is sort of a throwaway category for fossils that aren't identifiable and any other type of creature/plant). I've been on a couple of amateur group digs for marine/river fossils. Most the fossils that can be found around here are marine fossils from the Miocene.


    I missed hearing about the Spinosaurus discovery as well. That's cool. The shorter limbs make more sense for it as a swimming fish-eater. I know it looks kind of similar to Dimetrodon, but Dimetrodon were much more closely related to mammals.
     
  8. TheCharredDragon

    TheCharredDragon Blue Frog Ninja Gal

    @Fossildude747

    A few months after Transformers 4: Age of Extinction was released.

    Technically, very, very, very distantly related, seeing as their ancestors came from the same animal. But that was millions and millions of years ago. Yes, it's theorised that Spinosaurus eats fish, since a sawfish spine was found in the tooth of one, and the way its head and teeth are designed. Yes, Dimetrodon had a splayed out leg design, while Spinosaurus's legs aren't. Besides, like VampirateMace said, Dimetrodon was more closely related to today's mammals than Spinosaurus.

    @VampirateMace

    This is (somewhat of) a surprise. Okay, you're in.

    Amateur fossil digs? Well... I have a mostly negarive view from hearing that amateurs digging is a bad idea as it could lead to accidently destroying an important and or new discovery.

    Interesting... I thought more people would know about it seeing as it's a bit of a breakthrough.

    EDIT: I've cganged the topic somewhat as I found out that it wasn't a discovery but rather a published finding after examining Spinisaurus morrocus more.
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2015
  9. Fossildude747

    Fossildude747 Fossil Fighters Fan!

    Welcome to the club!

    I am fully aware that dimetrodon is more closely related to mammals, it is a mammal-like reptile, but I am just saying there is a possibility the two are related. No not closely related, probably very very very distantly related if they even are. I am kind of in doubt with the theory myself, I just thought of it for fun lol.

    It always annoys me when people mistake dimetrodon for a dinosaur though :p

    2nd Topic: Anyways, what are your favorite fossil pokemon guys, and your favorite real world prehistoric animal? For fossil pokemon it's bastiodon, but as of real world I just don't know lol, I like a lot of them. Some that I enjoy are dimetrodon, troodon, and I always thought trilobites were cool little critters, just a few of my favorites, the whole list would be too long xD We can still debate about the 1st question so don't take this as dropping the subject lol.
     
  10. TheCharredDragon

    TheCharredDragon Blue Frog Ninja Gal

    Anyways, what are your favorite fossil pokemon guys, and your favorite real world prehistoric animal?

    My favorites of fossil Pokémon are tied between Tyrantrum, Aerodactly, Armaldo and Rampardos. Tyrantrum mostly because of its typing, its design aaaand the aborable pre-evolution Chigorasu, more commonly known as Tyrunt. Aerodactyl because of its draconic appearance and its design. Also 'cause of fond memories. Armaldo since I liked its design, I also liked the personality of Armaldo in Explorers of Sky. Another reason was because I liked it over Cradily and it led to me getting more fond of it. I like Rampardos for the reasons as Armaldo, but also 'cause I like Pachycephelasaurus, so it was an instance like. XD

    As for real life prehistoric animals... Well, I don't have any real number one. But I do like, as said already, Pachycephelasaurids, Spinosauridae, and raptors in general.
     
  11. VampirateMace

    VampirateMace Internet Overlord

    It's true they can be destructive, especially when the person in question doesn't know what they are doing, or is careless about it (during excavation it's important to decide if you can remove the fossil without damaging it, note the date, location, and geological layer - otherwise you destroy the fossil's scientific value). In fact one of the quarries I went to, is now illegal to dig in. But many amateurs are lead on digs by responsible paleontologists (a lot of professionals enlist amateurs to do the actual digging, just like a lot of archeologists hire locals to do the preliminary digging), and digging in a more recent era site is one of the best ways to introduce kids to paleontology (as science actually has a sort of cut-off date, for how important fossils are. Quantity and location matters too, which is why you can buy shark teeth for pretty cheap, there's a ton of them, and they wash up on beaches where you have no way of knowing what layer they were in). Or sometimes there's rules in place (for example, in Fossil Oregon you're instructed to report finding any vertebrates in the ancient riverbed) to help minimize that. Many times it's the people without degrees that make the most interesting discoveries, either through sheer luck or study.

    Topic 2:
    As I already mentioned, my favorite dinos were stegosaurs. As for pokemon, I'm not really sure, I'll have to think about that. For other prehistoric animals, I haven't really decided a favorite there either; I like mastodons, trilobites, and saber toothed things. . . and ammonites are pretty cool.
     
  12. TheCharredDragon

    TheCharredDragon Blue Frog Ninja Gal

    @VampirateMace

    Hmm... I see... Thanks for sharing that. It was informative and it helped clear any misconceptions on amateurs. Especially my views. XP
     
  13. Pink Harzard

    Pink Harzard So majestic

    Name: Pink Harzard
    Why do you want to join?: I love history and ancient stuff. And this looks a pretty interesting place to discuss ancient nature.

    Anyways, what are your favourite fossil pokemon guys, and your favourite real world prehistoric animal?

    In the first gens it would be Aerodactyl, But I've grown to like Lileep. I've seen a sea lily fossil not long ago and I instantly thought about Lileep xD Armaldo comes at second place due to its design. (and blame PMD 2 for that.)


    Ammonites are my fave fossils. I love the spiral shape. I also have a little story about a certain fossil I always carry with me. A few years ago, I bought two halve ammonite fossils that fit perfectly together. One halve, I gave to my boyfriend. We both carry our halves in our wallet for years now. So yeah, that makes ammonites my big favourite.
    Other creatures I love are Triceratops and the raptor with the hooked claw on its feet. (I forgot the name of that one ><)
     
  14. TheCharredDragon

    TheCharredDragon Blue Frog Ninja Gal

    Woah! I didn't expect to see you here Pink. XD You're in nonetheless!

    Oh, to answer your question, almost all of those considered raptors have the sickle foot. XP (Deinonychus, Velociraptor (the real one, not the Jurassic Park one), Utahraptor, etc.)

    Also, I find your story nice and interesting. I don't have any fossils with me. X/ Well... Except maybe fossil corals. XP
     
  15. Pink Harzard

    Pink Harzard So majestic

    It was Deinonychus. I remember now. Those claws look like butcher hooks.
     
  16. TheCharredDragon

    TheCharredDragon Blue Frog Ninja Gal

    Ah, all right. Yeah, its sickle claws do look like 'em.

    By the ways, anyone up for links to news in the OP? I'm thinking of adding one in a bit.
     
  17. Pink Harzard

    Pink Harzard So majestic

    A museum in the Netherlands gets a real T-Rex in an exhibition. I have a link to the article, but sadly the website is only in Dutch. If needed I can provide translation (for most of us know the funny mistakes Google Translate makes)
     
  18. VampirateMace

    VampirateMace Internet Overlord

    The Charred Dragon: It's kind of a mixed pot of good and bad. At the museum were I volunteer, I've seen some of the possible destruction first hand. We have a pair of dinosaur neck vertebra that we let visitors handle, mainly because they have no scientific value. They were donated by a private collector, who got them from an amateur who didn't bother to keep track of anything about them (era, layer, location, possible species).


    I don't usually carry any fossils with me, though occasionally I may take a sturdier one somewhere if it's relevant (the ones in sandstone tend to be too delicate), and I have a necklace with a piece of mammoth ivory that I wear sometimes. Most of them are in a plastic organizer on the top shelf of my closet (it's not good to constantly expose them to light), the boxes are labeled and reffed to index cards that have everything I know about that fossil on them.

    It's always cool when a local museum has real dinosaur fossils in (though there's benefits to replicas as well, you get to see more detail because the metals on the inside). Google translator is a lot better then it used to be, that translated pretty cleanly. We had a the T-Rex Sampson (aka Z-Rex) in, and her head was too heavy to mount, so it was in a box and a lighter replica was on the skeleton (yes, Sampson is believed to have been a girl).

    Yeah, it would be nice to have some current news in the OP.
     
  19. Fossildude747

    Fossildude747 Fossil Fighters Fan!

    Wow, you guys are lucky to have fossils, I alays wanted to have at least one to show my love for paleontology, probably wouldn't carry it around though.

    I never heard of T-rex Sampson, I will look it up, I heard of T-rex Sue for sure though.

    I agree current news could really help in the OP, since I am not good at knowing whether or not news I look up is current or not most of the time, and I don't always have time to surf on google for it.

    I'd actually like a translation, since I don't have Google Translate, feel free to pm me translation.
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2015
  20. TheCharredDragon

    TheCharredDragon Blue Frog Ninja Gal

    @VampirateMace

    Yeah. From what you say, it is very much a double-edged sword. But man, there are not that noteworthy fossils in here in the Philippines. XP

    @Fossildude747

    Did a search, and apparently Samson (Z-rex) supposedly has a complete and undistorted skull. Which is unbelievable as it's hard enough for anything to fossilize, but completely untouched? It must have been buried before any scavengers could get it.

    All right. I'll be adding the news section soon. As soon as I prepare links and such.
     
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