How are HG/SS's graphics better than D/P/Pt, Saph? I actually see no difference for them, and, with enough people who agree with me, it makes your opinion irrelevant. Give us a good example, and I'll change my opinion to be like yours.
You don't see a difference? Not even the higher amount of detail? Just look at a screenshot of DP compared to HGSS.
You said Gen 4 took Gen 2 and tried to do it better. You said Gen 2 were the original sequels but Gen 4 failed in this regard. That reads as if you were claiming that Gen 4 was somehow linked/a continuation of Gen 2.
Only if you're an idiot. You seem to have missed my point where I said GSC were the only true sequels (in terms of continuing the story), and my comment on DPPt taking GSC and trying to do it better was about the features and Pokemon introduced, not the storyline.
Then care explaining what you mean by "successful"?
Do I have to spell it out for you? DPPt weren't as successful in improving the franchise as GSC and RSE were, in my opinion.
You can't base opinion on fact. DPPt and HGSS had significant improvements so you can't say they didn't.
1. I'm not talking about HGSS, which is a perfectly good game, 2. I can say that while DPPt brought in improvements (several of which I said were great improvements in my original post), I can say that they weren't as good improvements for my own personal playing experience as other generations. Playing experience being subjective.
OK, Professor Oak - how is he "better" than any of the other region professors, speaking game-wise?
Well in GSC Prof. Elm was completely upstaged by him (gave you the Pokedex, rated your Pokedex etc). Prof. Birch didn't do anything after you saved him from Poochyena/Zigzagoon. Prof. Rowan was good actually, I'd say he was the second best professor. But Prof. Oak has been in all 4 generations, so naturally he has the most development. But once again, my opinion, you don't have to agree.
Blue - your standard rival. He may have been one of the better rivals out there, but he's still a rival, something all the games have, so as a character, he may be cooler/stronger but not any more important than the other rivals.
You're putting words into my mouth again, you're reading things that aren't there. When did I say he was more important?
Gym Leaders and Elite 4 - None of the other games have them, right?
Explain to me how my opinion that RBY's E4 characters were better than others means that I somehow believe other games just plain don't have an E4?
Yes, it's a factor, but the fault is the game's because the game didn't have it. There's no one else to blame.
You're right, it's the games fault they can't travel through time. It has nothing to do with you being pedantic.
You said "only true sequel" implying that the others were sequels but weren't sequels through and through but now I assume you mean that you rank Gen 2 highly because it was the only sequel in the Pokemon games?
I don't see what is so hard to understand. I like GSC because it continued the RBY storyline. All the other games, while still adding things to the timeline, are stand alone adventures with no real connection to the previous. So GSC is unique in that respect. I rate it highly in the same way I rate all the Pokemon games highly, but as Pokemon games they come third out of four (again, in my opinion. I have to repeat that because if I don't you'll ask me for graphs and sales charts or something)
Sure, I'd have loved some more touch screen action, but its absence, in no way, detracts from the actual gameplay. HGSS came after it, so they obviously would have improved some aspects then. No Pokemon main series game has relied on the stylus and just because it's on the DS doesn't mean it must do so or it's a bad game.
Look. The DS has touch screen capabilities. The games didn't use them effectively. I see that as a failing.
OK, so apparently DPPt's graphics are worse than the thinly-detailed, black and white and in-battle blurry graphics of RBY.
If you put it like that I sound like an idiot, but when you put it like that it means you're an idiot. Could you just, for a minute, READ what I type? RBY, as GB games, looked good enough to me. DPPt as DS games, did not look good to me. HGSS, however, did! But how can this be? I mean, technology dictates quality, and aesthetics exists in a vacuum, right? Wrong! By judging things based on CONTEXT, I can evaluate things based on their own merits!
I admit the colour scheme appeared a bit dark to me which I didn't like, but the graphics don't look bad aesthetically.
Why are you allowed to say that you didn't like the dark colour scheme, but I'm not allowed to say pretty much the same thing?
General graphics and sprites are 99% of the time better than Gen 3.
In. Your. Opinion.
The 3D may not be perfect, but this is the DS and this is Pokemon.
And in Diamond and Pearl, the 3D models slowed the game down considerably, affecting my playing experience.
The semi-3D is a step up from the 2D of the GBA.
Have I ever disagreed with this?
And lack of detail? Surely, you jest.
No. Compare Jubilife City in DP to Goldenrod City in HGSS.
And yes, I agree, HGSS looks better, but doesn't change the fact that DPPt was good as well (though it had its problems).
So what are you arguing for?
OK, they may have looked good for their times, but if you say "DPPt had the worst graphics", you're comparing them to the other games. And when you do that, DPPt graphics are superior to all the previous gens. I think that RSE were good-looking and GBA games and even DPPt and HGSS were good-looking DS games, but I guess that's a matter of opinion.
So you don't understand context.
Look. I see what you're doing here. You're just having a knee-jerk reaction against any criticism of the newer games. Which I understand, as there are a lot of people here who will blindly defend RBYGSC while relentlessly bashing RSEDPPt. But I'm not one of those people. My original post was simply how I personally rate the games. Which, by the way, as it seems you didn't notice, goes RSE, RBY, GSC then DPPt. Which doesn't show any preference for the older games, even if DPPt happens to be last. And just because DPPt is my least favourite doesn't mean I think it's awful.
Focus your efforts on people who actually disagree with you.