The Videogame Heroes of Yesterday Discussion.

[blaze boy]

I'm fairly certain you don't understand that analogy.

You know what? That what I thought just before I posted the comment but I thought ah just post if I am wrong then I am wrong, it wouldn't be the first time and it wouldn't be the last time.

WHOA, A NEW RAYMAN GAME THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THOSE MOTHER****ER RABBIDS *Fangasm Fangasm*

Ew too much info thank you.

Anyways, anyone else think Chibi Robo is a Videogame Hero of Yesterday?

That because:
1: Chibi Robo was new IP when it came out and new IP have a hard time trying to establishing themselves, case in point Viewtiful Joe, Ōkami both game sold very poorly when they first came out.

2: Chibi Robo was released toward the end of the Gamecube life cycle.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Anyways, anyone else think Chibi Robo is a Videogame Hero of Yesterday?

One-off character(though it's expanded with...two? spinoff games) does not fall under this. They have to be characters designed to be mascots of a company/system. Otherwise, I could sit here all day and rattle off characters that only star in, and only were intended to star in, one game.

 

[BCVM22]

They have to be characters designed to be mascots of a company/system.

Now hold on there. Who said this? We seem to be in reasonable agreement that characters like Gex and Aero the Acrobat and lord knows what else fit this bill, and yet you'd be hard pressed to convince me that any of those were intended as mascots of an entire company, or that a company makes a cute animal hero with the intention of it only appearing once. If Bubsy had sold millions of units, you don't think he'd have appeared in as many games as the sales supported?

I don't know that Chibi Robo specifically fits the bill, but I don't think the definition you've assigned here is accurate either.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Now hold on there. Who said this? We seem to be in reasonable agreement that characters like Gex and Aero the Acrobat and lord knows what else fit this bill, and yet you'd be hard pressed to convince me that any of those were intended as mascots of an entire company, or that a company makes a cute animal hero with the intention of it only appearing once. If Bubsy had sold millions of units, you don't think he'd have appeared in as many games as the sales supported?

I don't know that Chibi Robo specifically fits the bill, but I don't think the definition you've assigned here is accurate either.

Yeah, looking back, I worded that awfully, but what I was trying to say was, not every character that you haven't seen in however many years(for Chibi-Robo, that's a year and a half, which definitely is not long enough) is a forgotten character.

 

[BCVM22]

Not every one of them, no, particularly given that Chibi Robo has appeared in recent titles, as you said. But a lot of them, and perhaps even most of them, are. A character that hasn't appeared in however many years would be a "forgotten character" almost by definition, wouldn't it?

 

[The Mewtwo Master]

Here's another forgotten hero, he's SOOOO forgotten, when you click the link, you'll ask yourself: Who was high enough to create this character? James Pond everybody

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Pond

 

[blaze boy]

Here's another forgotten hero, he's SOOOO forgotten, when you click the link, you'll ask yourself: Who was high enough to create this character? James Pond everybody

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Pond

You are missing the point of the British humour, James Pond is meant to be a parody of James Bond another British heroes... Yes Britain has very odd sense of humour.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Here's another forgotten hero, he's SOOOO forgotten, when you click the link, you'll ask yourself: Who was high enough to create this character? James Pond everybody

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Pond

Quick, let's jump into my airplane so we can try and catch that joke that went over your head!

 

[ArmorAndonomon]

Quick, let's jump into my airplane so we can try and catch that joke that went over your head!

Wow, you have an airplane? HOW WHIMSICAL!

Spoiler: :V

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Now, just a question of clarification, but what defines a game 'hero?' Does the quality of the game ever overshadow the character's personality and actions in this reasoning? :V Just a simple question.

 

[BCVM22]

I would think "hero" in this context specifically refers to the main/titular characters of the games in question, rather than the quality of the games and/or the personalities and actions of the respective characters.

 

[fhqwhgads]

A character that hasn't appeared in however many years would be a "forgotten character" almost by definition, wouldn't it?

Yeah, but that doesn't make for an interesting topic, that just ends up as a list of however many characters Mewtwo Master can Google/Wikipedia in a given day. There's gotta be some criteria outside of some obscure number of years since a game.

 

[BCVM22]

Yeah, but that doesn't make for an interesting topic, that just ends up as a list of however many characters Mewtwo Master can Google/Wikipedia in a given day.

It's going to become that eventually anyway.

There's gotta be some criteria outside of some obscure number of years since a game.

And there are.

- Main/titular character
- Appeared in at least one game
- Being an anthropomorphic animal/object not required, but helpful.
- No appearances in almost a decade also not required, but also helpful.

 

[fhqwhgads]

- Main/titular character
- Appeared in at least one game
- Being an anthropomorphic animal/object not required, but helpful.
- No appearances in almost a decade also not required, but also helpful.

That could easily be a 'left-behind' hero as opposed to a 'forgotten' one. I feel there's a difference. There's the characters that are purposefully ended, and those that somehow fall into the cracks.

 

[BCVM22]

That's very true, but the line between the two is much finer than you're giving it credit for. For example, how are we to know whether Gex's reason for presently languishing in obscurity is developer intent or consumer disinterest?

 

[fhqwhgads]

Well, that's where the potentially interesting discussion comes in. We don't know the line, but we can damn well argue it.

 

[~Spacial_Rendation~]

Here are some more

Ristar.
Metal Storm.
President Michael Wilson.

 

[The Mewtwo Master]

Although he was never a Hero, I'd have to say Silver the Hedgehog:

1: He was unpopular and had broken gameplay

2: He hasn't appeared in a Sonic game in the Storyline since Sonic 2006

Along with Mighty the Armadillo. Anyone agree with that?

 

[ArmorAndonomon]

Seriously? More "Sonic Friends?" He's like Barbie: she's popular, but you have to buy all her friends.
Sonic has more strange and obscure characters, that are just recolors or bland "creations," than America has fat people. Jesus Christ...

Alright, if the nostalgia factor is what ties a character to this, I'll toss Sly Cooper into the mix. With a promise of another game, that was never delivered, he kinda fell into Duke Nukem's realm of not being delivered for 12 years. Poor guy...fox...thing.

 

[(s.i.e)]

the sly cooper collection had a hidden teaser hinting the players for a sly nr.4.

 

[BCVM22]

Anyone agree with that?

No. "Hasn't appeared in the storyline" is meaningless (and inaccurate, given that he played a key role in Rivals 2, which followed a year after Sonic '06, but that's neither here nor there). Silver's made appearances in nearly every appropriate Sonic title since his debut, a debut that was only four years ago at that. There's no way you can claim him to be "forgotten".

Mighty's case is better but still weak. He was hardly a headliner in his two appearances, and if we were to sit down and try and name every bit character to have disappeared into the ether, we'd be here forever.

Seriously? More "Sonic Friends?"

"More" relative to what? The statute of limitations on complaining about a new character expires after a year; Silver made his debut in 2006. No more complaining about him is permitted. Sorry.

He's like Barbie: she's popular, but you have to buy all her friends.

That's a poor analogy, given that the number of characters in Sonic's supporting cast is not proportional to the cost of buying his video games.

Sonic has more strange and obscure characters, that are just recolors

Shadow's the sole character you could actually label a "recolor", and even that is a bit of a stretch, given that they have plenty of differences.