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Things in the Games You Want to Try

Discussion in 'General Pokémon Discussion' started by DX 2401PT, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. DX 2401PT

    DX 2401PT Monitor

    Pokemon games have lots of mechanics, moves, Abilities, items, etc that make battles and such interesting. There are a LOT of combinations out there. Some are devastating while some are utterly pointless. But have you ever wondered what happens if you get some of those combinations to face off?

    My starting example:

    Arceus has the Multitype Ability. Its type changes depending on the Plate held, and so does its sprite. There are 18 sprites (not 17) in the 4th Generation games, 1 for each type and 1 extra that I'll mention later.

    So, what would happen if something was to use Soak on Arceus? Would its type change to Water along with the sprite as if the Splash Plate was held? Or would Ability Multitype trigger and change the type back to what it was before Soak was used?

    If you have any answers to these questions or have questions of your own, let's share them and literally "see what happens" if you do certain things with certain Pokemon.
     
  2. Ice Car

    Ice Car Gaming Connoisseur

    I've always wondered what would happen if a Pokemon was Encore'd and then Tormented. I've always speculated that the game would implode out of sheer confusion.

    Or maybe the Pokemon just starts using Struggle on the turns it can't attack. Maybe Mean Look would also be needed so it might be possible to completely halt a battle as there are no choices whatsoever to do. Can't attack, can't switch out, can't run... What'd happen? Have to reset? What if a computer got locked in this position?
     
  3. PrismaticPrincessAnna

    PrismaticPrincessAnna I'll do my Lilliest

    Actually, I can still use Volt Switch/U-Turn/Baton Pass even though yer PKMN has been Block'd/Mean Look'd, nya~
     
  4. Ice Car

    Ice Car Gaming Connoisseur

    Forgot about that. But what if you don't have those moves and you get locked into, say, Thunder? After using it once you won't be able to do anything and the battle will never progress past that turn in theory. Maybe the game has a failsafe against these kinds of things and prevents you from Encoring and then Tormenting the same Pokemon?
     
  5. DX 2401PT

    DX 2401PT Monitor

    If you're locked by Encore/Choice Items and hit by Torment, you will Struggle. Had that happen a few times in the Battle Frontier. Similarly, Taunt + Torment works well against things that have 1 attacking move.
     
  6. Excitable Boy

    Excitable Boy is a metaphor

    Soak fails when used against Pokemon with Multitype.

    Without moves, it uses Struggle.
     
  7. Ice Car

    Ice Car Gaming Connoisseur

    Aw. I thought I was onto something here. :/

    I... don't really have anything else intriguing or interesting that comes to mind. I'm sure others have more stuff they've been thinking of.
     
  8. DX 2401PT

    DX 2401PT Monitor

    Interesting. A fail-safe, I guess. But then, what about those with Forecast? Soak on Castform. Same deal as Multitype? If so, then I guess the move Soak fails when used against something with an Ability that changes the Pokemon's type.
     
  9. Excitable Boy

    Excitable Boy is a metaphor

    Multitype is the only Ability that causes it to fail. It succeeds otherwise.
     
  10. DX 2401PT

    DX 2401PT Monitor

    Never mind. I just realized that Forecast and Multitype are different. Multitype changes the Pokemon's type. Forecast changes the sprite/forme and is linked to the weather. If I had to guess, somewhere in the game's coding, there's something that's similar to "Condition: Weather = Rain. Action: Castform change to Water" (ignoring any particular computer language).

    There is another thing related to Arceus, though. The 4th Generation games have 18 sprites for Arceus, discounting the shiny sprites. 17 for the 17 default types, and 1 for ??? type. Related to that, in the non-5th Generation games, if a Smeargle was to have Curse (??? type back then) and Conversion and nothing else and it used Conversion, what would happen?
     
  11. Excitable Boy

    Excitable Boy is a metaphor

    Curse is not eligible to activate Conversion in Generations 2-4, meaning Conversion will fail.

    The Pokemon would no longer have the move in its moveset.

    The move Disable would be Disabled.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2012
  12. Mythicalzoe

    Mythicalzoe Badass

    what if a pokemon forgot amnesia?

    what if a pokemon disable disable?
     
  13. DX 2401PT

    DX 2401PT Monitor

    Then I must really wonder where that ??? type Arceus sprite is used. My only idea was if Arceus was to have Curse and Conversion via hacks (I don't know of any glitches that apply to Arceus for this), its sprite would change to the ??? type to reflect such a thing. The game's error handler, so to speak (kinda like Missingno. and Bad Egg), for Arceus being changed into a type that it's not supposed to change into.

    Any ideas?
     
  14. Ice Car

    Ice Car Gaming Connoisseur

    I assume they'd just regain their memory. Double negative.
     
  15. PrismaticPrincessAnna

    PrismaticPrincessAnna I'll do my Lilliest

    Well... its disabled. Duh XD nya~
     
  16. Excitable Boy

    Excitable Boy is a metaphor

    It's probably just placeholder so the game doesn't crash if someone just directly hacks Arceus's type to be ???.
     
  17. DX 2401PT

    DX 2401PT Monitor

    There is another thing I wanted to try but never got to. Ability Pickup in Generation V.

    When not holding an item, Pickup "picks up" an item that was used up in the battle. Such as... picking up a used up Focus Sash in the middle of a battle. What happens if something with Pickup also has Fling? Does it pick up the flung item immediately? Does it only pick up an item at random? Or does the used up item have to be the opponent's?
     
  18. Excitable Boy

    Excitable Boy is a metaphor

    Pickup can pick up any item consumed by an ally or foe that isn't an Air Balloon or Eject Button, and any item Flung at the Pokemon with the Ability. Items are picked up at the turn's end, with faster Pokemon picking up items first.
     
  19. DX 2401PT

    DX 2401PT Monitor

    I really need to try this. Because this means that something with Pickup will reuse consumed Berries (I don't want to know how this works), which makes the DW Ability Harvest pretty pointless. This also means, if you have an Ambipom with Pickup, move Fling, and hold item King's Rock, you can force the opponent to flinch every turn by Fling-ing said hold item and picking it back up for another Fling-ing at the end of the turn.
     
  20. Excitable Boy

    Excitable Boy is a metaphor

    Um, no. The item must be consumed by the ally or foe, and the item Flung must target the Pokemon with Pickup.

    EDIT: I suppose you could steal the Berry infinitely in Doubles or Triples if you pair the Pickup Pokemo with a Harvest Pokemon, though.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2012

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