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Things that grind your gears!

MrJechgo

Well-Known Member
Am I the only one who kinda wished that Eevee get an actual signature move? All Grass starters can learn Frenzy Plant, all Fire starters can learn Blast Burn, all Water starters can learn Hydro Cannon and Pikachu can learn Volt Tackle... What can Eevee learn to match those?

I keep thinking that Eevee should learn a move called "Cuddle Smash" (100 atk, 5 pp, 100%) which 1) changes type according to Eevee's form (including its evolutions) and 2) uses the user's attack or special attack, whichever is higher. Yes, it would be a cope out to make all Eeveelutions somewhat viable, but Eevee is known to an irregular genetic code, so it wouldn't be out of place that its signature move can adapt to its form.
 
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Ophie

Salingerian Phony
Am I the only one who kinda wished that Eevee get an actual signature move? All Grass starters can learn Frenzy Plant, all Fire starters can learn Blast Burn, all Water starters can learn Hydro Cannon and Pikachu can learn Volt Tackle... What can Eevee learn to match those?

I keep thinking that Eevee should learn a move called "Cuddle Smash" (100 atk, 5 pp, 100%) which 1) changes type according to Eevee's form (including its evolutions) and 2) uses the user's attack or special attack, whichever is higher. Yes, it would be a cope out to make all Eeveelutions somewhat viable, but Eevee is known to an irregular genetic code, so it wouldn't be out of place that its signature move can adapt to its form.
Well, there's the entire suite of moves that Eevee could learn in Let's Go!, with Veevee Volley being the Normal-type one.

Would've been neat to allow Eevee to have these moves in Generation VIII under the condition that Eevee cannot evolve if it knows at least one of these moves.

(Prior to that, there was the infamous Extreme Evoboost Z-Move too.)
 

MrJechgo

Well-Known Member
Well, there's the entire suite of moves that Eevee could learn in Let's Go!, with Veevee Volley being the Normal-type one.

Would've been neat to allow Eevee to have these moves in Generation VIII under the condition that Eevee cannot evolve if it knows at least one of these moves.

(Prior to that, there was the infamous Extreme Evoboost Z-Move too.)
Honestly, I'd like to see all of Partner Eevee's signature moves being learned by all its respective Eeveelutions. Seriously, slap any of these on those and you have some of the more powerful Pokémon. Buzzy Buzz Jolteon would always paralyze, Sizzly Slide Flareon would always burn (thus messing up physical sweepers; it's also a Physical Fire move), Bouncy Bubble Vaporeon and Sappy Seed Leafeon would always heal, Glitzy Glow Espeon and Baddy Bad Umbreon would always destroy sweepers (both moves reduce attack or special attack), and Freezy Frost Glaceon and Sparkly Swirl Sylveon would always mess up buffs and debuffs (one heals stat change, the other heals status effects).

A restriction would be needed so you don't end up with 4 of these moves on any evolution though. You would go from powerful to downright broken XD Jolteon or Flareon with their moves and Sappy Seed would wreck things up. Also, thank goodness Freezy Frost doesn't always freeze XDD
 
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Spider-Phoenix

#ChespinGang
(Prior to that, there was the infamous Extreme Evoboost Z-Move too.)
It boosted all stats by 2 stages, right?

Imagine giving it Simple either by Skill Swap or Simple Beam? And knowing it can learn Baton Pass
 

Sceptile Leaf Blade

Nighttime Guardian
It boosted all stats by 2 stages, right?

Imagine giving it Simple either by Skill Swap or Simple Beam? And knowing it can learn Baton Pass
That works. Problem is that if your partner can't cover Eevee (follow me, fake out, etc) while setting up if it's doing that. And Eevee is a prime target while setting up because everyone knows it's going to Evoboost
 

Ophie

Salingerian Phony
Honestly, I'd like to see all of Partner Eevee's signature moves being learned by all its respective Eeveelutions. Seriously, slap any of these on those and you have some of the more powerful Pokémon. Buzzy Buzz Jolteon would always paralyze, Sizzly Slide Flareon would always burn (thus messing up physical sweepers; it's also a Physical Fire move), Bouncy Bubble Vaporeon and Sappy Seed Leafeon would always heal, Glitzy Glow Espeon and Baddy Bad Umbreon would always destroy sweepers (both moves reduce attack or special attack), and Freezy Frost Glaceon and Sparkly Swirl Sylveon would always mess up buffs and debuffs (one heals stat change, the other heals status effects).

A restriction would be needed so you don't end up with 4 of these moves on any evolution though. You would go from powerful to downright broken XD Jolteon or Flareon with their moves and Sappy Seed would wreck things up. Also, thank goodness Freezy Frost doesn't always freeze XDD
Sizzly Slide would be particularly good considering Flareon's great Sp. Defense but low Defense.

For the latter limitation, an easy way to go about it is, aforementionedly, to not allow Eevee to evolve until you reduce the number of moves down to 1, and then only allow Eevee to evolve into the form of the same type as that move.

Currently, for the record, I see three Eeveelutions common in Ranked: Sylveon (for Pixilate Hyper Voice combined with Throat Spray), Vaporeon (valued for Water Absorb and being able to take other hits quite well), and Jolteon (used mainly by Japanese players to set up particular effects due to its very high Speed). All three of them are found almost exclusively in double battles, though Vaporeon did see a lot of single battle use back when Dracovish was common but before it dropped off the radar due to people countering it--Dracovish becoming less popular also meant Vaporeon became less popular in single battles. Not sure how much more of a boost Sparkly Swirl, Bouncy Bubble, and Buzzy Buzz would give them, but letting Jolteon stick around for too long will spell ruin for the opponent.
 

Sceptile Leaf Blade

Nighttime Guardian
Can't Vaporeon still run Baton Pass sets well? Something like Scald+Aqua Ring+ Acid Armour+ Baton Pass with defensive EV investments and a Calm nature. I ran that quite a bit in singles, something like Calm Mind Blissey, Amnesia Snorlax, Amnesia Mega Venusaur (with Leech Seed), Goodra, Calm Mind Latias, Assault Vest Tyranitar, they all become hard to stop with that extra setup. Like, you don't set it up on the likes of Tapu Koko or Xurkitree, but against most physical attackers like Mega Metagross and Garchomp it sets up well, you just need a bit of experience to learn when to set up Acid Armour, when to set up Aqua Ring, and when to Pass.
 

Ophie

Salingerian Phony
Can't Vaporeon still run Baton Pass sets well? Something like Scald+Aqua Ring+ Acid Armour+ Baton Pass with defensive EV investments and a Calm nature. I ran that quite a bit in singles, something like Calm Mind Blissey, Amnesia Snorlax, Amnesia Mega Venusaur (with Leech Seed), Goodra, Calm Mind Latias, Assault Vest Tyranitar, they all become hard to stop with that extra setup. Like, you don't set it up on the likes of Tapu Koko or Xurkitree, but against most physical attackers like Mega Metagross and Garchomp it sets up well, you just need a bit of experience to learn when to set up Acid Armour, when to set up Aqua Ring, and when to Pass.
Possibly, but I've never seen any opponents online use Vaporeon in that way. Complex Baton Passing is exceedingly rare due to the high chance something goes wrong along the way. Nearly all use of Baton Pass I've seen online is of a Substitute and/or simple stat boosts, then the Baton Pass to the recipient. (And, of course, Baton Pass is suicide in double battles.)
 

MrJechgo

Well-Known Member
Huh... names...
  • Mime Jr., Mr. Mime, Mr. Rime; Minimime, Signamime (Sign a mime) and Taptarime (Tap a rime)
  • Type : Null; Typenull, that's it :p
  • Porygon2; Pixegon (Pixel + -gon)
  • Porygon-Z; Virogon (Virus + -gon)
  • Jangmo-o, Hakamo-o and Kommo-o; Jangmoho, Hakamoho and Kommoho;
  • Talonflame... That sounds like a nickname. To compare, in French, it's named Flambusard (flamme + busard... Flame + Bussard)
 

Akashin

Well-Known Member
Huh... names...
  • Mime Jr., Mr. Mime, Mr. Rime; Minimime, Signamime (Sign a mime) and Taptarime (Tap a rime)
  • Type : Null; Typenull, that's it :p
  • Porygon2; Pixegon (Pixel + -gon)
  • Porygon-Z; Virogon (Virus + -gon)
  • Jangmo-o, Hakamo-o and Kommo-o; Jangmoho, Hakamoho and Kommoho;
  • Talonflame... That sounds like a nickname. To compare, in French, it's named Flambusard (flamme + busard... Flame + Bussard)
I'm... not really sure what you're even insinuating is gear grinding about any of these.

Type: Null and the Porygon line are man-made pokemon, and their names reflect that. Type: Null is a scientific designation, and the Porygon line is in theory a singular pokemon undergoing updates (in the same sense that game mechanics aside, Type: Null and Silvally are the same thing); giving them more ordinary names takes away that overall feeling. And as an aside, giving Porygon-Z a name like Virogon makes it sound like the buggy nature of the Dubious Disk update was deliberate and not an unintended consequence.

Also, the Jangmo-o line's names are written like that in reference to the Hawaiian mo'o, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at there. You could possibly argue they be written as Jangmo'o, Hakamo'o, and Kommo'o, but a dash creates a similar phonetic effect as an okina anyway so it's not a huge issue.
 

MrJechgo

Well-Known Member
I'm... not really sure what you're even insinuating is gear grinding about any of these.
Some names have some weird punctuations :p

Type: Null and the Porygon line are man-made pokemon, and their names reflect that. Type: Null is a scientific designation, and the Porygon line is in theory a singular pokemon undergoing updates (in the same sense that game mechanics aside, Type: Null and Silvally are the same thing); giving them more ordinary names takes away that overall feeling. And as an aside, giving Porygon-Z a name like Virogon makes it sound like the buggy nature of the Dubious Disk update was deliberate and not an unintended consequence.
I just feel like "Type Double Colon Null" is a very alpha name, as if they didn't find a suitable name. Silvally, by comparison, means "Silver ally", and that combination is like that in almost every language. What's the connection between "Type: Null" and "Silvally"? I dunno, for a Pokémon based on a chimera, Type: Null could have gotten a more evocative name... or "Typenull" without artifice XD

Porygon is fine... but Porygon2 and Porygon-Z feel like beta names. They could have gone with a more creative one, like XYZ, as in the three dimensional axes. Porygonex, Porygowy and Porygozed would have worked.

Also, the Jangmo-o line's names are written like that in reference to the Hawaiian mo'o, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at there. You could possibly argue they be written as Jangmo'o, Hakamo'o, and Kommo'o, but a dash creates a similar phonetic effect as an okina anyway so it's not a huge issue.
Huh... what are the pronounciation differences between "-o'o", "-o-o" and "oho" ^^; ?
 

Monox D. I-Fly

Well-Known Member
Huh... names...
  • Mime Jr., Mr. Mime, Mr. Rime; Minimime, Signamime (Sign a mime) and Taptarime (Tap a rime)
  • Type : Null; Typenull, that's it :p
  • Porygon2; Pixegon (Pixel + -gon)
  • Porygon-Z; Virogon (Virus + -gon)
  • Jangmo-o, Hakamo-o and Kommo-o; Jangmoho, Hakamoho and Kommoho;
  • Talonflame... That sounds like a nickname. To compare, in French, it's named Flambusard (flamme + busard... Flame + Bussard)
Back then when I haven't joined the Pokemon fandom yet, I thought Empoleon was a name for another Eevee evolution.
 

Ophie

Salingerian Phony
Some names have some weird punctuations :p

I just feel like "Type Double Colon Null" is a very alpha name, as if they didn't find a suitable name. Silvally, by comparison, means "Silver ally", and that combination is like that in almost every language. What's the connection between "Type: Null" and "Silvally"? I dunno, for a Pokémon based on a chimera, Type: Null could have gotten a more evocative name... or "Typenull" without artifice XD

Porygon is fine... but Porygon2 and Porygon-Z feel like beta names. They could have gone with a more creative one, like XYZ, as in the three dimensional axes. Porygonex, Porygowy and Porygozed would have worked.


Huh... what are the pronounciation differences between "-o'o", "-o-o" and "oho" ^^; ?
The reason behind the differences in style between Type: Null and Silvally is that different people named them. Type: Null was created and named by the Aether Foundation, while it evolved into Silvally and was given that name by Gladion. Aether Foundation, at least at the time of Type: Null's creation, was an organization based on sheer efficiency and scientific dryness. "Type: Null" was what they designated it because they classified it as being worthless for their goals of stopping the Ultra Beasts. One of them fell into the hands of Gladion, who would eventually warm up to it and allow it to evolve, and Gladion gave it a more normal Pokémon name due to being an individual with emotion-based goals.

Basically, think of all the times in fiction you see test subjects being given numbers for names or certain people having numbers for codenames. Think James Bond, for instance, who goes by "007," or Finn in the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, who went by "FN (and a bunch of numbers)" prior.

Same goes for the Porygon line. Porygon2 is exactly that: the second version of Porygon. Porygon-Z was given that name because an outside party created it by using a virus to meddle with it. Accordingly, it doesn't follow the naming scheme (both having a letter instead of a number and having a hyphen). Presumably, if Silph Corporation completes the project, we'll have our proper "Porygon3." Incidentally, it's a standard in programming to type the number immediately after the name if there's more than one thing that would have the same name ("thing1," "thing2," etc); I am certain this was intentional.

Kommo-o's name is not pronounced as "Kommoho." It's a full stop between the O's. Traditionally, in transliteration from Hawaiian, there would be an apostrophe between the vowels, as in "Hawai'i" (ha-VAI-(pause)-ee). "Mo'o" is Hawaiian for "dragon" and is pronounced as "MO-(pause)-oh," as if it's two words. Most likely, the hyphen was used instead because English speakers tend to not interpret an apostrophe as a pause, but they're more likely to do so with a hyphen.
 

MrJechgo

Well-Known Member
The reason behind the differences in style between Type: Null and Silvally is that different people named them. Type: Null was created and named by the Aether Foundation, while it evolved into Silvally and was given that name by Gladion. Aether Foundation, at least at the time of Type: Null's creation, was an organization based on sheer efficiency and scientific dryness. "Type: Null" was what they designated it because they classified it as being worthless for their goals of stopping the Ultra Beasts. One of them fell into the hands of Gladion, who would eventually warm up to it and allow it to evolve, and Gladion gave it a more normal Pokémon name due to being an individual with emotion-based goals.

Basically, think of all the times in fiction you see test subjects being given numbers for names or certain people having numbers for codenames. Think James Bond, for instance, who goes by "007," or Finn in the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, who went by "FN (and a bunch of numbers)" prior.
Oh, I see.

Same goes for the Porygon line. Porygon2 is exactly that: the second version of Porygon. Porygon-Z was given that name because an outside party created it by using a virus to meddle with it. Accordingly, it doesn't follow the naming scheme (both having a letter instead of a number and having a hyphen). Presumably, if Silph Corporation completes the project, we'll have our proper "Porygon3." Incidentally, it's a standard in programming to type the number immediately after the name if there's more than one thing that would have the same name ("thing1," "thing2," etc); I am certain this was intentional.
I feel like those names are a joke about artists who name their files "aqswdefrtgyhuj", "project-final", "project-final2", "project-final-final" or "project-final-for-real-this-time" XD

By comparison, Mewtwo, also being bio-engineered, is named as a successor to Mew, but it's named "Mewtwo", not "Mew2".
 
Pokemon is becoming greedy:
$60 or €60 for SW/SH
$30 or €30 for DLC
$4,99 or €4,99 for bank a year
€15,99 or $15,99 home for a year
(+costs to transfer pokemon from GO to HOME (pokecoins)) can differ.
€20 or $20 for Internet a year
=€130 or $130 while 3D=€40 or $40 a game

ITs crazy tbh.
 

MrJechgo

Well-Known Member
Pokemon is becoming greedy:
$60 or €60 for SW/SH
$30 or €30 for DLC
$4,99 or €4,99 for bank a year
€15,99 or $15,99 home for a year
(+costs to transfer pokemon from GO to HOME (pokecoins)) can differ.
€20 or $20 for Internet a year
=€130 or $130 while 3D=€40 or $40 a game

ITs crazy tbh.
Versus buying the generation's 3rd game at the exact same price as either previous games, when that 3rd game is 99% of the same game with a few extras? At least SwSh's DLC is half the Switch game's cost.
 
Versus buying the generation's 3rd game at the exact same price as either previous games, when that 3rd game is 99% of the same game with a few extras? At least SwSh's DLC is half the Switch game's cost.
And the DLC isnt even worth the price in my opinion. SW+DLC=60 I would buy, but 60 for a game that isnt finished, but 30 for DLC. Too much

 

KillerDraco

The Enforcer
Staff member
Super Mod
Pokemon is becoming greedy:
$60 or €60 for SW/SH
$30 or €30 for DLC
$4,99 or €4,99 for bank a year
€15,99 or $15,99 home for a year
(+costs to transfer pokemon from GO to HOME (pokecoins)) can differ.
€20 or $20 for Internet a year
=€130 or $130 while 3D=€40 or $40 a game

ITs crazy tbh.
Becoming? It's always been like this. Any attempt to think otherwise is just nostalgia goggles. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft are all businesses; they want your money, that's their ultimate goal.

Remember Gen 3?

$40 for Ruby/Sapphire
$40 for Emerald
$40 for Fire Red/Leaf Green
$50 for Colosseum
$50 for XD: Gale of Darkness

And that's not even taking into account needing a GBA, Gamecube, and the link cable to connect the two.

Game Devs aren't our friends. Their end goal is, was, and always will be to make as much money as possible. Heck, the two-version system is an extension of that. As cute as the novelty of trading for version exclusives was 25 years ago, it's kind of a relic because 99% of the core game experience remains the same and is just split into two versions to sell more copies. Max Raid Battles also took a lot of the value of version exclusivity out given you could get around trading by joining a random raid.

Don't kid yourself into thinking this is new.
 

Gamzee Makara

Flirtin' With Disaster
Pokemon is becoming greedy:
$60 or €60 for SW/SH
$30 or €30 for DLC
$4,99 or €4,99 for bank a year
€15,99 or $15,99 home for a year
(+costs to transfer pokemon from GO to HOME (pokecoins)) can differ.
€20 or $20 for Internet a year
=€130 or $130 while 3D=€40 or $40 a game

ITs crazy tbh.
Gen III says hi.

This isn't new once you remove the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.

It just happens to be at an economic crisis point waiting to happen when the complaints are being ramrodded by Sonic trolls infiltrating the community trying to blackpill the Pokémon fandom and make a quick buck, get attention and/or make Pokémon fans as miserable, angry and uncontrollably horny for characters 18 or under as they are(Most Sonic characters are teens or children), and thus be driven to Sonic games via "clever" slanted comparisons.
 
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