Actually, I’ve seen people inform these people of what actually went on in this league and yeah, they’re pretty miffed and annoyed that this is how he won. Ignorance is a bliss.
But those problems didn’t exist in previous leagues. This makes this league a different type of league wholly different from the past ones. This is also objective fact, that this league is not like the others. Hence, this makes this league win different.
Nice false dichotomy. I’ll answer it anyway, was this a official Pokémon league? Yes. Is it like the other leagues? No. In relation to past leagues, the Alola League is an entirely different type of league, separate from the leagues of old. Meaning this win has different value, and I think the value is much lesser.
I don’t even know what you’re talking about in this last paragraph.
I don't have time for "actually"s followed by anecdotal evidence. Show me something real, and show that it is a significant number of people, or this is meaningless. 4 or 5 people on r/anime is false consensus. That just means there's a few people who agree with you - it does nothing to prove your position, which is essentially "if they only knew how crappy this league REALLY was, they'd hate that Ash won here! If everybody was
fully informed, with all the precious
context in the world, then they'd agree with me!"
OK good - we have agreed on the fact that this is an official Pokemon league. Will you now please retract these arguments and accept them for what they are - grounded in an objective falsehood?
It not being a league is a defensible position in the show itself.
I mean, 30% of people on this forum itself don’t even consider this tournament to be a league. It’s definitely not even close to just 95/5 from the reactions I’ve seen on reddit for example.
You've accepted now that whatever the sentiment might be behind it, this vote is irrelevant. You'll agree with that now, yes? I threw out a rough number to illustrate how insane it was to say that
overall reaction to this was "mixed". To counter, you bought the results of a poll in which people essentially voted for "yes, 2+2=5" - something you now accept. Putting aside the inherent flaws of using that poll at all (of which there are many - 30% is still fairly small, it was asked on a forum comprised mostly of hardcore fans, the number of people voting overall is miniscule compared to the numbers of people that have seen and engaged with this on twitter, facebook, various unrelated forums and subreddits, comment sections of other websites, etc), you accept that the voters in this poll were objectively wrong, so using it at all is nonsensical.
No league is "like the others". Unova started with 1-on-1s, previous leagues had groups to qualify, Sinnoh was a straight knockout, etc. Every league has had differences. "Entirely separate" is also an outright lie. It is, as you have admitted, a Pokemon League so it cannot be, or all leagues are "entirely separate" to each other rendering the point moot anyway. You're also exaggerating how much the differences between the Alola League and the other ones actually matter to the casual viewer or the thousands of people who only engaged with this because they saw it on CNN.
Basically, your position cannot
simultaneously be that "with context, half the people (or enough to reasonably call the reaction "mixed") that celebrate this would be saying it's actually bad", and also "the reaction has been mixed". They contradict each other, so you need to concede one of these two arguments:
I wonder how many people would think differently, if you know, they were given context?
On the Internet everywhere the reaction seemed to be mixed from what I've seen.
They can't co-exist.
As for the last paragraph:
https://forums.serebii.net/threads/...a-pokemon-league.670194/page-10#post-18845312
In this post you TWICE accused me of using "bait". Trying to use "bait" to antagonize people, trying to trick or troll you. I ask again - why on earth would you be responding to my posts if they were "bait"? You surely wouldn't be so dumb as to seriously respond multiple times to "bait" posts while acknowledging that they are bait, that would be lunacy. So the only conclusion that can be drawn here is that it was character assassination. You wanted to undermine the credibility of me and my posts with an accusation you don't even believe. Very low tactic imo.