AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
We may as well fear the possibility that Toonami will die...
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Toonami is doing good
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The Great Butler
Hush, keep it down
Yeah, "we're not going anywhere" is blatant damage control. KLK is probably the last new show it's getting before it dies.
voicerocker
Platinum Master
According to them, they were pretty much out of money for new movies because of all the shows they picked up in 2014.
FUNimation obviously didn't HAVE to rerecord lines for the original DBZ, but decided to anyway. It's likely they felt it was necessary, and has someone who has heard every dub that's aired on Cartoon Network since DBZ started airing there, the replaced lines are definitely better. And DBZ Kai's acting is much better overall than the original.
"Spirit Wave" or "Spirit Blast" used in Kai was probably from the vortexx run of Kai. Nicktoons actually had only minor edits to the show. Toonami cuts the opening to Kai for time anyway, so 30 seconds of Dragon Soul isn't that big of a deal. (Rock the Dragon only ever played for the Ocean dub movies, not for the series itself on CN)
Deadman Wonderland wasn't "temporarily" replaced with Samurai 7. Both shows aired every episode. Deadman ended and was replaced with Samurai 7. Samurai 7 ended and was replaced by Soul Eater. Soul Eater ended and was replaced with Black Lagoon....
Evangelion also aired every episode if I'm not mistaken, but that was years ago so I'm not sure.
Toonami has already said no to Ranma 1/2 saying it's too old and probably not a good fit for the block. Sailor Moon is a heavily requested show for them, but they said that of the 2 Sailor Moon anime, Sailor Moon Crystal is the more requested show.
According to them, they've already got several new shows planned to premiere this year. Unless the block tanks completely (which I'm not expecting since DBZ Kai just pulled much higher ratings than AoT reruns), I think Toonami will still be around for the rest of the year at least.
The Great Butler
Hush, keep it down
Usually when it comes to television numbers like this, you have to look for trends. DBZ Kai pulling huge numbers could be a one time thing; what we have to watch for is if that's sustained. If it hangs in there, I agree with you.
Based purely on gut instinct I have right now, I suspect we will see either Psycho-Pass or Guilty Crown this year, with Danganronpa as a dark horse given the popularity of the game. If they make it to showing any more movies Eva 3.33 has to be next, I can't imagine that taking much longer.
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Danganronpa? The animation is going to get a dub?
Blue Saturday
Violet Prince❤️
With Sailor Moon just being in the name, maybe it could pull a few nostalgia bucks in...? Though SMC isn't really that great of a show unfortunately, I'm happy to see DBZ Kai doing well. I like DBZ and always will so it does my heart well to see it can rake in nice viewership, I only expect that to increase once we really get into the Freeza/Saiyan stuff more. I want to see Danganronpa on the block but again it's risky.
Anyone else getting just a *smidge* tired of Attack on Titan? My goodness; we've had the original run, then some night of a marathon; it properly finishes up, then it re-started again not too long ago.
I did notice this coming week while I was setting programs to record that King of the Hill was in that last 5-6 block.
The lower ratings somehow just doesn't surprise me though. I am fairly interested in seeing what this later year is going to look like though...
Bolt the Cat
Bringing the Thunder
Yikes, even worse than I expected. That's practically half of the block right there. Yeah, I give Toonami a year before it dies.
voicerocker
Platinum Master
If Toonami's ratings were to drop enough to get it canceled, it would likely be the end of anime on [adult swim]. ASA was widely considered to be dead and pointless for the last few years before Toonami's return in 2012. I suppose they could just run Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Dandy and season 2 of Big O every Saturday like they use to, but no one would care.
Kill La Kill was going to air before Kai before Toonami lost their time. Kai hasn't had any ratings slips like Shippuden and One Piece have, so having 1 strong anchor show upfront (like Bleach was forever) is good for them. They probably feel that this sudden focus on cutting time and maximizing ratings with only 3.5 hours is not the right time to risk opening Toonami with a show that may or may not get a warm reception from [as] viewers. (It's Kill la Kill after all. Not everyone is going to love the constant near-naked girls in every episode) Besides, if it does extremely well, they might swap it and Kai around, or maybe even get 11:30PM back. Given the situation, I think they made the right call there.
Kai did beat Attack on Titan reruns a few nights. The first airing of Cooler's Revenge also beat a premiere AoT episode back in May and the Broly movie was the only real success of last year's Month of Movies. DBZ still has a strong audience. Last week's episode of Kai was the 2nd highest rated show on [adult swim] that night, losing only to the American Dad episode that aired right before it. (Kai even beat that night's Family Guy episode, which is impressive since that is [as]'s main ratings grabber). I suspect a lot of people were happily surprised to see DBZ airing at 11:30PM instead of AoT and were happy to tune in. The best part is that in that episode, Vegeta and Nappa arrived on Earth, so those viewers who watched that night now know that one of the big fights is about to start and may decide to start following the show even as it moves back to midnight. But like you said, we'll need to see a few more nights.
I have a feeling Sailor Moon Crystal would do just fine. For all the hate I see for Crystal, it's still headed to Japanese TV soon, meaning there had to be a lot of people watching it online. And according to Toonami, Crystal is the more requested of the 2 shows, so it's got fans that want it on American TV too.
Good news for you, Attack on Titan will no longer be on Toonami...at least for now. I think it's possible they might bring it back once Deadman Wonderland ends, but that's just a guess.
None of the premieres are leaving. The only shows cut were reruns and even then, Deadman Wonderland reruns weren't cut. [adult swim] seems to be trying to get higher ratings for Saturday night. If they had truly wanted Toonami gone, they would've canceled altogether. It's also possible that [as] thinks that putting Toonami between strong comedies like Family Guy and American Dad might improve Toonami's ratings. DBZ Kai's last minute move to 11:30PM pulled very good numbers, though there was a considerable drop from Kai to Shippuden.
Vernikova
Champion
Dead and tired sure, but the few shows they did pick up were better than almost everything Toonami has picked to air outside of movie months.
Poke Trainer J
Well-Known Member
I probably wouldn't have minded the replacement of dialogue If they kept in the original voice actors, I still prefer the original over DBZ Kai let alone Dragon Ball Z Abridged by Team Four Star on YouTube. What's sad is that there's some people out there who actually prefer the non-profit based parody over the original dubs by Ocean/Pioneer and FUNimation who aren't real fans of the series, that's like saying Space Balls is canon instead of the original Star Wars films by George Lucas. :/
It's not like they're trying to cater to a young demographic of otaku are they cause to me that's what it sounds like.
Soaring Pikachu
Cool Trainer
No need to worry. Technically speaking Toonami is a branch of Adult swim content wise and Adult swim did a really good job of keeping the late night anime torch lit during Toonami's absence. Also, when a block dies it is usually the result of many mistakes clumping together, since Toonami has already disappeared once, I am confident that it would be very unlikely to happen again. (even if the block went down to a single, 30 minute time slot)
Samurai Jack had reached a good stopping point already and the rest of those time slots were mostly just holding reruns anyway. I see no problem with sharing some programming space with an allied (mostly) animated block.
Unlikely as it may be, personally I would like to see Toonami retake some of the afternoon weekday time slots or some of Saturday night. That way they could have more flexibility for shows that do not necessarily need to be airing in the middle of the night. (Naruto, Big O and others would be far stronger in a day slot)
Another move that would be awesome, is if Toonami could somehow pick up the shows from the fallen KidsWB/ Vortexx lineups. I would think that they should be dirt cheap by now and the editing has been taken care of several times over. Yugioh on Cartoon network? OK. Megaman NT warrior? (which I still have not seen the end of) Heck yes please! (actually Yugioh GX was on Cartoon network at some point)
Toonami does not need all of Mon - Fri but even just a couple of days would go a long way for the less gory shows.
Samurai Jack had reached a good stopping point already and the rest of those time slots were mostly just holding reruns anyway. I see no problem with sharing some programming space with an allied (mostly) animated block.
Unlikely as it may be, personally I would like to see Toonami retake some of the afternoon weekday time slots or some of Saturday night. That way they could have more flexibility for shows that do not necessarily need to be airing in the middle of the night. (Naruto, Big O and others would be far stronger in a day slot)
Another move that would be awesome, is if Toonami could somehow pick up the shows from the fallen KidsWB/ Vortexx lineups. I would think that they should be dirt cheap by now and the editing has been taken care of several times over. Yugioh on Cartoon network? OK. Megaman NT warrior? (which I still have not seen the end of) Heck yes please! (actually Yugioh GX was on Cartoon network at some point)
Agreed, it is probably far too bulky to only be shown one night a week but set it up as the leader of an afternoon block and then we have got ourselves a winning combination!
Toonami does not need all of Mon - Fri but even just a couple of days would go a long way for the less gory shows.
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voicerocker
Platinum Master
Last weekend, DBZ Kai pulled 1.513 million viewers at 11:30PM, once again beating Family Guy. That also surpasses Attack on Titan's highest rating of 1.507 million viewers and is the 2nd highest rating overall for a Toonami show since 2012. (Bleach pulled 1.559 once) Things are looking good with having DBZ Kai open the night. Hopefully now that the Saiyan fight is well underway, viewers will still tune in at midnight and stay with the block as long as possible.
For anyone interested, the Toonami Faithful Podcast recently interviewed the head of Toonami, Jason DeMarco. Here's the link: http://podcast.toonamifaithful.com/...jason-demarcos-state-of-toonami-address-2015/
A few things to take away from that is that Toonami is actually happy about being only 3.5 hours and that they never wanted to go 6 hours in the first place, the network was who wanted a full 6 hour Toonami.
Also, there's some stuff about The Intruder II, talks of changes coming later this year, trying to get stuff from Discotek and Rightstuf, trying to get Gundam, fans wanting Yu Yu Hakusho and Outlaw Star. But the last part is the most important: Toonami is in no immediate danger of being canceled in the near future.
I know Chris Sabat, Sonny Strait and Linda Young all did the replacement audio for the Orange Boxes for DBZ. Any recasts were probably because people moved or got out of voice acting since DBZ was originally recorded. Sabat recently mentioned that the first voice of Chiaotzu was a librarian and he had no idea where she even lived now. That's just how it works. Actors move away or change careers, FUNi has to find new VAs.
I like DBZ Abridged and I think they're a talented bunch of people, but I still think Kai's dub is the dub DBZ deserves without the awkwardness of having a 90s dub. Even great dubs like Cowboy Bebop still have little minor issues that simply come from being a product of that era of dubbing. And that's not to see I don't also enjoy the old Ocean dub or FUNi's original dub. The only dub of DBZ I've heard that I didn't like was the "big green" dub of Broly I've seen clips of from YouTube.
Toonami's main goal is to try to appeal to new and old fans, but not specifically anime fans. Toonami themselves have admitted that hardcore otaku aren't who they are trying to appeal to. That's why Toonami is strictly action oriented and even in 2015, DBZ is still a big draw for them. I even see on Twitter where people said "Wow! Kill la Kill was great! Can't wait for more next week" only for some people to say "Why wait? KLK's online for free. Just go watch it online".
[adult swim] ACTION was mostly considered dead right before Toonami returned. [as] was only getting 1 or 2 anime premieres a year while Toonami has premiered much more. I'm not so sure [as] would still run anime (or at least get new shows) if Toonami were actually canceled.
Toonami has already said they'll never go back to daytime Cartoon Network. CN is only interested in Pokemon and Beyblade these days, probably because there's a chance they're getting a slice of the merch. profits. And they said that Toonami won't be airing outside of Saturday nights simply because [as]'s comedies do much better than [as]'s anime does. There's a reason why [as] pays for all of those Fox reruns.
Toonami did pick up DBZ Kai, but it's DBZ. Toonami and DBZ together just makes sense.
Yu-gi-oh is on Nicktoons now...or at least Zexal is. I think they still run the original from time to time. (Though, Toonami said no card based anime would ever air, so no Yu-gi-oh even if it was available)
MegaMan likely falls into the same category of show Pokemon does, and it's not really adult oriented in any way, even for DBZ, One Piece or Naruto standards. They aired it on CN Toonami before I think, but you probably won't see it on [adult swim].
My hope for Toonami is that they start looking for shows outside of just Aniplex, FUNimation or Viz. Sentai has a few shows that could work on the block, and DC Comics is producing a Vixen animated series for CW Seed that is a part of the Arrow and The Flash continuity. There's also Cannon Busters in the works, which will hopefully become a full series. (The creator has said he'd love to see it on Toonami eventually) These are probably long shots, at least right now, but I'm hoping the future will hold some good stuff for Toonami that isn't available right now.
For anyone interested, the Toonami Faithful Podcast recently interviewed the head of Toonami, Jason DeMarco. Here's the link: http://podcast.toonamifaithful.com/...jason-demarcos-state-of-toonami-address-2015/
A few things to take away from that is that Toonami is actually happy about being only 3.5 hours and that they never wanted to go 6 hours in the first place, the network was who wanted a full 6 hour Toonami.
Also, there's some stuff about The Intruder II, talks of changes coming later this year, trying to get stuff from Discotek and Rightstuf, trying to get Gundam, fans wanting Yu Yu Hakusho and Outlaw Star. But the last part is the most important: Toonami is in no immediate danger of being canceled in the near future.
I know Chris Sabat, Sonny Strait and Linda Young all did the replacement audio for the Orange Boxes for DBZ. Any recasts were probably because people moved or got out of voice acting since DBZ was originally recorded. Sabat recently mentioned that the first voice of Chiaotzu was a librarian and he had no idea where she even lived now. That's just how it works. Actors move away or change careers, FUNi has to find new VAs.
I like DBZ Abridged and I think they're a talented bunch of people, but I still think Kai's dub is the dub DBZ deserves without the awkwardness of having a 90s dub. Even great dubs like Cowboy Bebop still have little minor issues that simply come from being a product of that era of dubbing. And that's not to see I don't also enjoy the old Ocean dub or FUNi's original dub. The only dub of DBZ I've heard that I didn't like was the "big green" dub of Broly I've seen clips of from YouTube.
Toonami's main goal is to try to appeal to new and old fans, but not specifically anime fans. Toonami themselves have admitted that hardcore otaku aren't who they are trying to appeal to. That's why Toonami is strictly action oriented and even in 2015, DBZ is still a big draw for them. I even see on Twitter where people said "Wow! Kill la Kill was great! Can't wait for more next week" only for some people to say "Why wait? KLK's online for free. Just go watch it online".
[adult swim] ACTION was mostly considered dead right before Toonami returned. [as] was only getting 1 or 2 anime premieres a year while Toonami has premiered much more. I'm not so sure [as] would still run anime (or at least get new shows) if Toonami were actually canceled.
Toonami has already said they'll never go back to daytime Cartoon Network. CN is only interested in Pokemon and Beyblade these days, probably because there's a chance they're getting a slice of the merch. profits. And they said that Toonami won't be airing outside of Saturday nights simply because [as]'s comedies do much better than [as]'s anime does. There's a reason why [as] pays for all of those Fox reruns.
Toonami did pick up DBZ Kai, but it's DBZ. Toonami and DBZ together just makes sense.
Yu-gi-oh is on Nicktoons now...or at least Zexal is. I think they still run the original from time to time. (Though, Toonami said no card based anime would ever air, so no Yu-gi-oh even if it was available)
MegaMan likely falls into the same category of show Pokemon does, and it's not really adult oriented in any way, even for DBZ, One Piece or Naruto standards. They aired it on CN Toonami before I think, but you probably won't see it on [adult swim].
My hope for Toonami is that they start looking for shows outside of just Aniplex, FUNimation or Viz. Sentai has a few shows that could work on the block, and DC Comics is producing a Vixen animated series for CW Seed that is a part of the Arrow and The Flash continuity. There's also Cannon Busters in the works, which will hopefully become a full series. (The creator has said he'd love to see it on Toonami eventually) These are probably long shots, at least right now, but I'm hoping the future will hold some good stuff for Toonami that isn't available right now.
Soaring Pikachu
Cool Trainer
I was just being optimistic, I am glad that you found an official source for that news.
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
It has less Blue Popo, so...
voicerocker
Platinum Master
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Or a rather best day ever. Hurray!
Michelle Ruff? Oh, awesome. We have Etna in the ride too.
voicerocker
Platinum Master
Sword Art Online is the most overrated anime I've ever watched...or should I say, tried to watch. I dropped the first season at Ep.15 on Toonami when they introduced the incest plot. Beyond its pretty animation, it's a bad romance show.
And Kirito is the ultimate perfect character. He is SAO's John Cena.