Top 3 Strongest Pokemon in each League

[Epicocity]

It's part of the League Arc, so, it's part of the League. It's literally the reward for to win the tournament

The reward for winning the tournament can't be considered as part of the tournament because someone winning it implies said tournament is over. That's like saying some bonus episode bundled on a DVD that takes place after the movie on the DVD is part of the movie. It might be bundled on the same disc but it is most definitely not part of the movie and is something separate to be watched and understood after the movie.

 

[RafaSceptile]

The reward for winning the tournament can't be considered as part of the tournament because someone winning it implies said tournament is over. That's like saying some bonus episode bundled on a DVD that takes place after the movie on the DVD is part of the movie. It might be bundled on the same disc but it is most definitely not part of the movie and is something separate to be watched and understood after the movie.

Bonus Episodes (Special Episodes) after the series ends are part of the canon and are considered in the respective series, so....
Yeah, the Exhibition Match is part of the League such as any Episode during the League Arc that isn't part of the Tournament like Unova League EP3 and Kalos League EP5

 

[Epicocity]

Bonus Episodes (Special Episodes) after the series ends are part of the canon and are considered in the respective series, so....
Yeah, the Exhibition Match is part of the League such as any Episode during the League Arc that isn't part of the Tournament like Unova League EP3 and Kalos League EP5

Did Ash need to defeat Kukui to win the League (as in, the actual tournament to crown a victor)?

If the answer is yes, then it's part of the League.

If the answer is no (which the answer is no), then it's not a part of the League.

Simple as.

The whole thing is that one of the biggest criticisms of the Kukui battle is the fact it's stakeless. It didn't matter if Ash won or lost because he already won. I realize when people want to judge Ash's team they want to include Kukui because it's about the only comprehensive battle in the series and the only way to give Naganadel, well, anything, but it's definitely not a part of the tournament that is the League.

 

[RafaSceptile]

Did Ash need to defeat Kukui to win the League (as in, the actual tournament to crown a victor)?

If the answer is yes, then it's part of the League.

If the answer is no (which the answer is no), then it's not a part of the League.

Simple as.

The whole thing is that one of the biggest criticisms of the Kukui battle is the fact it's stakeless. It didn't matter if Ash won or lost because he already won. I realize when people want to judge Ash's team they want to include Kukui because it's about the only comprehensive battle in the series and the only way to give Naganadel, well, anything, but it's definitely not a part of the tournament that is the League.

The League is the events, not the tournament, and the Exhibition Match is the last event, so, the Exhibition Match is part of the League

 

[Emboar_Rulez]

Did Ash need to defeat Kukui to win the League (as in, the actual tournament to crown a victor)?

If the answer is yes, then it's part of the League.

If the answer is no (which the answer is no), then it's not a part of the League.

Simple as.

The whole thing is that one of the biggest criticisms of the Kukui battle is the fact it's stakeless. It didn't matter if Ash won or lost because he already won. I realize when people want to judge Ash's team they want to include Kukui because it's about the only comprehensive battle in the series and the only way to give Naganadel, well, anything, but it's definitely not a part of the tournament that is the League.

They did that because every series (Except Unova) have a 6v6 battle in it.

 

[Epicocity]

The League is the events, not the tournament, and the Exhibition Match is the last event, so, the Exhibition Match is part of the League

When has the League ever been referred to as "the event"? It's always the "tournament" (or conference, as the dub puts it). There is a winner of the tournament. After that, the tournament itself is over. There's a presentation, but nothing more.

The literal definition of an exhibition match is something that exists outside of a competition. Ergo, the match with Kukui is not part of the League, or the tournament to which most people would usually refer it. Especially when it's the only odd man out of a battle after the handing of the trophy that always concludes the League. Now, if the trophy was handed to Ash after the Kukui battle, you might have a point, but it happens after that moment that in all past series concluded the League.

Which puts it in the implication corner of: 1) the Kukui match is not part of the League or 2) Alola follows nothing regarding the rules of a normal League and thus anything it does shouldn't be considered a formal League, completely destroying its validity. In the interest of being fair, I prefer the former interpretation.

EDIT: For the record, too, in past series, when they would declare the "[Insert Region] League open", it was always to signal the start of the tournament. As in, the League doesn't start until the tournament does, so...kinda reinforces my point.

 

[RafaSceptile]

When has the League ever been referred to as "the event"? It's always the "tournament" (or conference, as the dub puts it). There is a winner of the tournament. After that, the tournament itself is over. There's a presentation, but nothing more.

The literal definition of an exhibition match is something that exists outside of a competition. Ergo, the match with Kukui is not part of the League, or the tournament to which most people would usually refer it. Especially when it's the only odd man out of a battle after the handing of the trophy that always concludes the League. Now, if the trophy was handed to Ash after the Kukui battle, you might have a point, but it happens after that moment that in all past series concluded the League.

Which puts it in the implication corner of: 1) the Kukui match is not part of the League or 2) Alola follows nothing regarding the rules of a normal League and thus anything it does shouldn't be considered a formal League, completely destroying its validity. In the interest of being fair, I prefer the former interpretation.

EDIT: For the record, too, in past series, when they would declare the "[Insert Region] League open", it was always to signal the start of the tournament. As in, the League doesn't start until the tournament does, so...kinda reinforces my point.

from the Kanto League where we have League episodes with 0 tournament battles

 

[Epicocity]

from the Kanto League where we have League episodes with 0 tournament battles

Having episodes where no battles take place and calling it "the League" is the shorter way of referring to the arc of the League, not the actual tournament. The actual tournament, which the creator of the thread is clearly talking about, has nothing to do with that. By that logic, because Lysandre appeared in the middle of the League and there was setup for his plan, then Flare should also be considered part of the League. Thus we should include Lysandre's Gyarados or Malva's Houndoom or Diantha's Gardevoir in the mix.

In the end, Kukui isn't a part of the actual tournament to crown the Alola League victor. He's just an exhibition match. No matter how much everyone wants it to count, Gladion is the final match of the League. If that was sadly a lackluster finale compared to Kukui, can't help you there.

 

[RafaSceptile]

Having episodes where no battles take place and calling it "the League" is the shorter way of referring to the arc of the League, not the actual tournament. The actual tournament, which the creator of the thread is clearly talking about, has nothing to do with that. By that logic, because Lysandre appeared in the middle of the League and there was setup for his plan, then Flare should also be considered part of the League. Thus we should include Lysandre's Gyarados or Malva's Houndoom or Diantha's Gardevoir in the mix.

In the end, Kukui isn't a part of the actual tournament to crown the Alola League victor. He's just an exhibition match. No matter how much everyone wants it to count, Gladion is the final match of the League. If that was sadly a lackluster finale compared to Kukui, can't help you there.

He said League Conference, and the Exhibition Match is part of the League Conference because it's part of the award for winning the Tournament, so by a billion time, the Exhibition Match is part of the League.

 

[Epicocity]

He said League Conference, and the Exhibition Match is part of the League Conference because it's part of the award for winning the Tournament, so by a billion time, the Exhibition Match is part of the League.

Dude, come on. The Conference IS the tournament (it's just the dub's translation). The reward for winning the tournament is NOT part of the tournament. The definition of an exhibition match is something specifically removed from a tournament. You can shout all you want, but it doesn't make it true. Definition alone excludes it. I'm sorry that Ash vs. Gladion isn't as good as Ash vs. Kukui and that Nagandel didn't appear until after; but it doesn't make it part of the tournament because there's nothing to win from it.

TL;DR Stop saying the exhibition match is part of the League when its very nature proves the opposite just to prop up the Alola League or the fight or SM or...whatever. Especially when eve the thread creator stated Kukui is outside of the League.

 

[RafaSceptile]

Dude, come on. The Conference IS the tournament (it's just the dub's translation). The reward for winning the tournament is NOT part of the tournament. The definition of an exhibition match is something specifically removed from a tournament. You can shout all you want, but it doesn't make it true. Definition alone excludes it. I'm sorry that Ash vs. Gladion isn't as good as Ash vs. Kukui and that Nagandel didn't appear until after; but it doesn't make it part of the tournament because there's nothing to win from it.

TL;DR Stop saying the exhibition match is part of the League when its very nature proves the opposite just to prop up the Alola League or the fight or SM or...whatever. Especially when eve the thread creator stated Kukui is outside of the League.

If you said that Conference is the Dub translatio, Kukui asked Ash after the Exhibition Match about how good was the League, because this was part of the League itself.
From the point of narrarive and from the event perspective because this was the reward for winning the Tournament, the Exhibition Match is part of the league.

 

[Epicocity]

If you said that Conference is the Dub translatio, Kukui asked Ash after the Exhibition Match about how good was the League, because this was part of the League itself.
From the point of narrarive and from the event perspective because this was the reward for winning the Tournament, the Exhibition Match is part of the league.

Kukui also doesn't seem to understand how a League works in general, so forgive me if I take his words with a grain of salt (see him acknowledging he needs to create a badge system and then completely forgoing that 80 episodes later).

 

[RafaSceptile]

Kukui also doesn't seem to understand how a League works in general, so forgive me if I take his words with a grain of salt (see him acknowledging he needs to create a badge system and then completely forgoing that 80 episodes later).

Differente Leagues = Different Rules. Even in the games the Alola League has different rules than the previous Leagues.

 

[Aduro]

• Kanto: Three mons that we never saw in detail
• Johto: Harrison's Blaziken, Ash's Charizard, Gary's Blastoise (Harrison probably would have won with Blaziken, two very close battles occured between Zard, Blaziken and blastoise putting htem in the top 3).
• Hoenn: Tyson's Meowth, Ash's Pikachu, Tyson's Sceptile (Tyson's Sceptile drew with Ash's Glalie despite a type disadvantage, was very fast and powerful, still wasn't considered his Ace).
• Sinnoh: Tobias' Darkrai, Tobias' Latios, Ash's Infernape (Infernape tore through half of Paul's team, Ash's pokemon were able to damage Tobias' team significantly)
• Unova: Probably three eeveelutions. Umbreon, Flareon and I guess Vaporeon since they had feats on-screen. Granted, Lucario and Hydreigon were crazy powerful to do so well with such an incompetent strategist controlling them)
• Kalos: Zard-X, Ash-Greninja, Mega Sceptile. Megas and A-G were everywhere in that league, those were the strongest.
• Alola (discounting the exhibition match, which was after the league): Ash's Pikachu, Ash's Lycanroc, Gladion's Lycanroc (Ash's Pikachu beat a Tapu Koko, the lycanrocs were the cornerstone of the final match, Zoroark loses out because its STAB dark z-move couldn't stop Pikachu's Z-quick attack, Naga was not back, Incineroar hadn't evolved during the league and Melmetal was still learning to make use of its strength).

 

[RafaSceptile]

• Kanto: Three mons that we never saw in detail
• Johto: Harrison's Blaziken, Ash's Charizard, Gary's Blastoise (Harrison probably would have won with Blaziken, three very close battles occured between Zard, Blaziken and blastoise putting htem in the top 3).
• Hoenn: Tyson's Meowth, Ash's Pikachu, Tyson's Sceptile (Tyson's Sceptile drew with Ash's Glalie despite a type disadvantage, was very fast and powerful, still wasn't considered his Ace).
• Sinnoh: Tobias' Darkrai, Tobias' Swellow, Ash's Infernape (Infernape tore through half of Paul's team, Ash's pokemon were able to damage Tobias' team significantly)
• Unova: Probably three eeveelutions. Umbreon, Flareon and I guess Vaporeon since they had feats on-screen. Granted, Lucario and Hydreigon were crazy powerful to do so well with such an incompetent strategist controlling them)
• Kalos: Zard-X, Ash-Greninja, Mega Sceptile. Megas and A-G were everywhere in that league, those were the strongest.
• Alola (discounting the exhibition match, which was after the league): Ash's Pikachu, Ash's Lycanroc, Gladion's Lycanroc (Ash's Pikachu beat a Tapu Koko, the lycanrocs were the cornerstone of the final match, Zoroark loses out because its STAB dark z-move couldn't stop Pikachu's Z-quick attack, Naga was not back, Incineroar hadn't evolved during the league and Melmetal was still learning to make use of its strength).

It's not after the league. The only battle after the League was Ash's Lycanroc vs Kiawe's Charizard

 

[PokemonBattleFanatic-]

Johto League
1.Harrison's Blaziken
2.Ash's Charizard
3.Gary's Blastioise
------------------------------
4.Ash's Snorlax
5.Ash's Bulbasaur
6.Jackson's Meganium
7.Gary's Scizor
8.Harrison's Houndoom
9.Ash's Squirtle
10.Jackson's Magneton


Hoenn League
1.Tyson's Metagross
2.Ash's Glalie
3.Tyson's Sceptile
------------------------------
4.Katie's Walrein
5.Morrison's Gligar
6.Ash's Swellow
7.Tyson's Hariyama
8.Tyson's Meowth
9.Ash's Pikachu
10.Ash's Grovyle


Sinnoh League
1.Tobias's Latios
2.Tobias's Darkrai
3.Ash's Infernape
-------------------------------
4.Ash's Haxachu
5.Paul's Electivire
6.Ash's Sceptile
7.Paul's Drapion
8.Paul's Ursaring
9.Ash's Snorlax
10.Barry's Empoleon



Unova League
1.Cameron's Lucario
2.Ash's Pikachu
3.Trip's Sereprior
------------------------------
4.Virgil's Flareon
5.Ash's Krookodile
6.Virgil's Eevee
7.Dino's Druddigon
8.Virgil's Umbreon
9.Virgil's Glaceon
10.Virgil's Vaporeon

 

[CMButch]

Kanto: 1. Mandi's Pidgey. 2. Ash's Krabby( not Kingler) and 3. CoTD's Nidorino
Johto: all Macey's Pokemon.
Hoenn: Katie's Venomoth, Morrison's Growlithe and Jump's Electabuzz
Sinnoh:Nando's Roserade, Paul's Aggron and Ash's Donphan
Unova: Ash's Oshawott, Ash's Boldore and Ash's Scraggy
Kalos: Everett's Furfou, Ash's Noivern and Remo's Gurdurr
Alola: Lillie's A-Vulpix, Samson's A-Exeggutor and DJ's A-Dugtrio.

 

[RafaSceptile]

Kanto: 1. Mandi's Pidgey. 2. Ash's Krabby( not Kingler) and 3. CoTD's Nidorino
Johto: all Macey's Pokemon.
Hoenn: Katie's Venomoth, Morrison's Growlithe and Jump's Electabuzz
Sinnoh:Nando's Roserade, Paul's Aggron and Ash's Donphan
Unova: Ash's Oshawott, Ash's Boldore and Ash's Scraggy
Kalos: Everett's Furfou, Ash's Noivern and Remo's Gurdurr
Alola: Lillie's A-Vulpix, Samson's A-Exeggutor and DJ's A-Dugtrio.

You forgot the epic Magikarp's Battle during the Battle Royale

 

[mehmeh1]

The reward for winning the tournament can't be considered as part of the tournament because someone winning it implies said tournament is over. That's like saying some bonus episode bundled on a DVD that takes place after the movie on the DVD is part of the movie. It might be bundled on the same disc but it is most definitely not part of the movie and is something separate to be watched and understood after the movie.

I have an easy way to put how I consider the exhibition match:
It's part of the Alola League as an event, but not as a tournament, just like the opening and closing ceremonies are part of the League event

 

[Ryan McGlade]

Ash's Strongest Pokemon for each league:
Kanto: Bulbasaur, Kingler & Muk!
Orange League: Bulbasaur, Charizard & Tauros!
Jotho: Charizard, Snorlax & Heracross!
Hoenn: Swellow, Grovyle & Glalie!
Battle Frontier: Charizard, Snorlax & Sceptile!
Sinnoh: Heracross, Sceptile & Infernape!
Unova: Pignite, Leavanny & Krookodile!
Kalos: Greninja, Talonflame & Hawlucha!
Alola: Lycanroc, Incineroar & Naganadel!