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Tough Pokemon That Got The Shaft
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CyberCubed
Yeah, ok!
Exploud, Gardevoir, Salamence.
Not because of the battles they were in, but because they hardly ever appeared!
Exploud only got one episode where it battled Grovyle, but we didn't get to see the end.
Gardevoir only got one measly episode and it didn't even get to battle.
We saw Drake's Salamnce for like 10 seconds when it destroyed TR's balloon, but we haven't seen it in a real proper battle yet.
Jeez, I really hope Ash battles all three of these Pokemon sometime in the future. They all deserve to be in good battles and I don't know why the writers have basically ignored them.
Not because of the battles they were in, but because they hardly ever appeared!
Exploud only got one episode where it battled Grovyle, but we didn't get to see the end.
Gardevoir only got one measly episode and it didn't even get to battle.
We saw Drake's Salamnce for like 10 seconds when it destroyed TR's balloon, but we haven't seen it in a real proper battle yet.
Jeez, I really hope Ash battles all three of these Pokemon sometime in the future. They all deserve to be in good battles and I don't know why the writers have basically ignored them.
Dub-wise, I say Cacturne. Well, okay, it's not THAT tough, but it is somewhat. I wanted James to have it (instead of keeping little Cacnea and Chimecho and no big, tough Pokemon). Harley got it, though. But he seems to take all the attention away from that cool Pokemon, so what was the point in giving it to him rather than James? I want to see Cacturne own another Pokemon in battle.
I wish Harley's Cacturne did get a win. In fact I wish Banette, and Ariados would win battles as well. While James with Cacturne would be cool (Cacturne vs. Sceptile anyone?), I highly doubt it would win since Team Rocket Pokemon always fail. In fact, I can safely say that Arbok, Weezing, Victreebel, Wobbufet, and Seviper are all tough pokemon that do not win battles.
S.Suikun
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I think Salamence gets redemption, however, from the lengthy battle that took place at the end of Movie 6 between the Flygon and Butler's Salamence. Sure, it's not in the series itself, but we use that excuse for legendaries all the time...CyberCubed said:
Gardevoir is the big one, as well as Kirlia. Sure, Kirlia received some redemption in [spoil]"Psychic vs. Ghost! Midnight Duel!"[/spoil], but it at least deserves a battle.
Yamato-san
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Rancid Meat said:
technically, we did see all those Pokemon score a win. We got to see them in battles against other trainers in the contests before they faced Haruka (although, Ariados still has yet to actually KO anything. While it humiliated Musashi's Sounansu by turning it into its own marionette, it didn't exactly pwn it like Noctus did with that Ruriri or Jupetta did with that Yorunozuku). Now, a win against the main characters is a different story.
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Geki
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Ash's Torkoal is strong and it was ignored most of Hoenn, and then Ash dumped it at Oak's.
intergalactic platypus
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WEEZING. Weezing owns this category. Yes anime =/= games and I know that, but its a little off how immensley they changed Weezings defense. Weezing is a total wall, it can stave off hits like mad. But in the anime the poor thing gets its arse kicked in every episode by a Pikachu. They should have at least portrayed it as a bit tougher
CyberCubed
Yeah, ok!
You know, you can add nearly all the fossil Pokemon to this list.
Aerodactyl, Kabutops, Omastar, Armaldo and Cradily were all seen in various episodes, but they haven't been showcased battle wise enough.
Obviously since these Pokemon are extinct most of the time, it would be unusual to see any random trainer have these Pokes, but it would have been nice to see these guys owned by some strong Gym leader or something.
Aerodactyl, Kabutops, Omastar, Armaldo and Cradily were all seen in various episodes, but they haven't been showcased battle wise enough.
Obviously since these Pokemon are extinct most of the time, it would be unusual to see any random trainer have these Pokes, but it would have been nice to see these guys owned by some strong Gym leader or something.
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Maybe it is me, but I am yet to see Mawile.....I'm sure he has appeared before but I most likely missed it. As well as Crawdaunt and Meditite.
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Wandering Rhythmical Phoenix
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Didnt Meditite get some screen time during the Braawly episodes? It was owned by that girl IIRC.Banette said:
I'd say ANY powerful pokemon ANY of the E4 Used got the shaft. Have we even seen Sableye in anything but an opening theme?
CyberCubed
Yeah, ok!
Wandering Rhythmical Phoenix said:
Yes, Ash used Pikachu against Shauna's Meditite. It was a good battle.
Sableye got a whole filler to itself when we were back on Dewford Island. It didn't do any battling in that episode though, aside from one Night shade attack.
I honestly thought that Starmie had a very high shaft.
Considering that it was one of the most (and probably still is) overused pokemon in the games with its versatility and speed (games aren't the same as anime, but generally some properties retain, like it being able to use Thunderbolt)
Misty's Starmie lost to Pidgeotto for the most part at Cerulean City. (ep 8)
Misty's Starmie's core was broken by a spinning Graveler used by Gizelle (ep 11)
Misty's Starmie's core was broken by Raticate's Super Fang. (SS Anne)
Misty's Starmie lost to Jesse getting whacked by a giant hammer. (Bye Bye Butterfree) This probably isn't really a loss but a beatdown. It was one good whack too (and I wonder why Jesse never used that strategy again).
Marina(Tsubaki)'s Starmie lost to Golduck's Hyper Beam, even with a Light Screen up (or was that Ice Beam?) (Marina/Tsubaki vs Misty/Kasumi)
Rudy's Starmie lost to Squirtle's Hydro Pump followed by a Skull Bash.
Starmie also feared Arbok when it was terrorizing the aquarium in that Misty Mermaid episode (it didn't necessary lose, but it showed extreme fear for something that technically can't show expression and it sweatdrops.)
I'm sure there were other cases but I can rarely recall wins. It wasn't get many victories (if any) from typical Team Rocket wins. Misty's in particular was left in the gym, and Staryu was the starfish that was used the most.
I honestly can't think of the wins it had. I really can't! Unlike Ash's Torkoal, OTHER trainers lost with Starmie too (and the examples I put, Starmie did NOT have a "prior victory" within the same battle either! For the case of Torkoal you could at least say Flannery nearly sweeped Ash's team with it.)
Starmie is EXTREMELY useful in the games. In the anime it doesn't seem as particularly useful.
I'm quite sure Starmie would qualify for this category. However, most likely it is not perceived as a "tough pokemon" within the anime. In the game technically it's versatile and quick, not power loaded (it's more like it's well rounded). Of course the moveset it has in the anime is quite small, whereas the moveset it has in the game is extremely big for a water type (or a psychic type for that matter). In the game, there's a PLETHORA of circumstances it could have the advantage.
I can think of some Starmie victories, but they're also shared victories (like "let's all attack together" thing, making it seem even less powerful as an individual)
Considering that it was one of the most (and probably still is) overused pokemon in the games with its versatility and speed (games aren't the same as anime, but generally some properties retain, like it being able to use Thunderbolt)
Misty's Starmie lost to Pidgeotto for the most part at Cerulean City. (ep 8)
Misty's Starmie's core was broken by a spinning Graveler used by Gizelle (ep 11)
Misty's Starmie's core was broken by Raticate's Super Fang. (SS Anne)
Misty's Starmie lost to Jesse getting whacked by a giant hammer. (Bye Bye Butterfree) This probably isn't really a loss but a beatdown. It was one good whack too (and I wonder why Jesse never used that strategy again).
Marina(Tsubaki)'s Starmie lost to Golduck's Hyper Beam, even with a Light Screen up (or was that Ice Beam?) (Marina/Tsubaki vs Misty/Kasumi)
Rudy's Starmie lost to Squirtle's Hydro Pump followed by a Skull Bash.
Starmie also feared Arbok when it was terrorizing the aquarium in that Misty Mermaid episode (it didn't necessary lose, but it showed extreme fear for something that technically can't show expression and it sweatdrops.)
I'm sure there were other cases but I can rarely recall wins. It wasn't get many victories (if any) from typical Team Rocket wins. Misty's in particular was left in the gym, and Staryu was the starfish that was used the most.
I honestly can't think of the wins it had. I really can't! Unlike Ash's Torkoal, OTHER trainers lost with Starmie too (and the examples I put, Starmie did NOT have a "prior victory" within the same battle either! For the case of Torkoal you could at least say Flannery nearly sweeped Ash's team with it.)
Starmie is EXTREMELY useful in the games. In the anime it doesn't seem as particularly useful.
I'm quite sure Starmie would qualify for this category. However, most likely it is not perceived as a "tough pokemon" within the anime. In the game technically it's versatile and quick, not power loaded (it's more like it's well rounded). Of course the moveset it has in the anime is quite small, whereas the moveset it has in the game is extremely big for a water type (or a psychic type for that matter). In the game, there's a PLETHORA of circumstances it could have the advantage.
I can think of some Starmie victories, but they're also shared victories (like "let's all attack together" thing, making it seem even less powerful as an individual)
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Solrock and Lunatone to invincable Swellow.