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SmeargleRocks

Reputable Trader
I would also like to report Cuava
We were arranging a trade last week, I think Friday, Cuava kept changing our arranged trade saying oh I want this thing, or I want that, we arranged to trade Saturday morning EST but then they randomly said sorry can't trade til maybe 7:30 pm your time, also kept bugging me asking for my bear flawless adamant DW torchic and saying they'd trade me their DW torchic for it, I asked about the torchic's OT and everything they never really said what it was, also wouldn't drop that I said no that I didn't want the torchic after about 20 PM's later, I ended up getting 220+ PM's from Cuava since Friday, I didn't take pictures cause I deleted all their PM's you can understand cause over 200 in less than 2 days is complete bull Crap -_- they ALSO kept saying they'd trade me this Pokémon, or that, then I'd say sure and they'd go and say sorry its taken, why the F*** would you offer something then randomly say its taken, I don't get why Cuava is doing this but at least I know I wasn't the only person who knows of this circumstance
 

Victory★Star★

Mega Victini?
SkittyonWailord : I am telling R'linho we can trade and I am saying we can go ahead and trade, for I am not allowed to trade on weekdays, we can trade but saturday, I said we can trade and u can have kyurem, but your decision..

DizzyCobraMew: I dont know why the heck you are putting mw on the blacklist, I changed our trade about 3 or 4 times which I admit I did, but I never sent u 200 friend requests or 200 pm's your computer must be messed up because I can see all my pm's and the highest amount I sent consecutivly was 2. Not 200, so dont lie, and there wont be problems.

I also never said that a pokemn I have is taken "to you" the thing between rlinho was dumb because our trade took about almost 3 weeks becasue he never took action into our trade, which bored me and so i went ahead and traded shiny shielder.
 
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Victory★Star★

Mega Victini?
This is a message I just sent to R'linho
*Ops please read.

R'linho
I never ment for you to think I scammed you, you say I am not "trustworthy", but I have told you if you would like to trade still for kyurem we can schedule a trade on saturday, you give me gothorita and i give u kyurem. U think I cannot be trusted, yet you are just thinking on your own blocking out everything everyone else says. I dont care about Kyurem I was given kyurem by negotiations, therefor I dont know if its legit, or anythhing else, but I dont care/want Kyurem, yet according to you "I seem to want you to not pick Kyurem"
I dont have plans to be your enemy, the only person on forums that i would be against is dizzy, yet forget that.
I dont have anything against you and therefor we can trade, I said we can trade on saturday but u just quit the trade and decided to report me on Blacklist. So I am not trying to do anything wrong and I noticed you said on the blacklist " that I have been searching for pokemon on forums still and you think I am going to scam someone else too". I dont scam, and never have, you are welcome to go ahead and trade Kyurem for me.
You also seem impatient, but I will try to do our trade ASAP...I have no access on weekdays maybe wednesday afternoon (school early release) or the weekend. PLEASE put this on the blacklist, for I mean no harm.
*Note YES I DO HAVE TWO ACCOUNTS: Cueva27 and Cueva-27, the reason is because i decided to make a new one for my 4th gen trades, so if I get banned (which would be partially pointless) feel free to ban my 4th gen account as well, im not trying to hide anything. :D
Sincerely,
Cueva27
 

SkittyOnWailord

☣ⓈⓀⒾⓉⓉⓎⓄⓃⓌⒶⒾⓁⓄⓇⒹ☣
I would also like to report Cuava
We were arranging a trade last week, I think Friday, Cuava kept changing our arranged trade saying oh I want this thing, or I want that, we arranged to trade Saturday morning EST but then they randomly said sorry can't trade til maybe 7:30 pm your time, also kept bugging me asking for my bear flawless adamant DW torchic and saying they'd trade me their DW torchic for it, I asked about the torchic's OT and everything they never really said what it was, also wouldn't drop that I said no that I didn't want the torchic after about 20 PM's later, I ended up getting 220+ PM's from Cuava since Friday, I didn't take pictures cause I deleted all their PM's you can understand cause over 200 in less than 2 days is complete bull Crap -_- they ALSO kept saying they'd trade me this Pokémon, or that, then I'd say sure and they'd go and say sorry its taken, why the F*** would you offer something then randomly say its taken, I don't get why Cuava is doing this but at least I know I wasn't the only person who knows of this circumstance
Did you actually do any kind of trade? If not then you weren't scammed and have nothing to do with this thread. There is also an option to block specific users from PMing you. You are free to use that if you wish.

Here are the screenshots of the PMs he sent me yesterday:
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/1010/61334979.png
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7217/29914352.png
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6406/93751670.png
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7362/85699378.png
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/281/83462513.png
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/121/60219455.png


It seems that he's not unavailable to trade for a week all of the sudden...
How should I proceed now? I'd prefer a time for the trade to be set here, preferably by you, as he clearly can't be trusted.

Just to add, replying to his post, that the fact that I did not reply for 6 or 7 days later is false, and I'm hoping you can access our history of exchanged messages to verify that.
Also, if he changed his mind and only wanted to trade for one Togepi, why would he offer more than the Kyurem in the Wi-fi room? If his idea was to trade the Kyurem for the Togepi, then he would had made available only the Kyurem and nothing else.
Still, my main concern remains: he currently has posts on trade threads stating he's looking for other Pokemon and I'm afraid he might do this again to other people.

I'll wait for your instruction on how to proceed with the trade.

Thank you.
I would need screenshots of both sides of the conversation, not just Cueva27's.

SkittyonWailord : I am telling R'linho we can trade and I am saying we can go ahead and trade, for I am not allowed to trade on weekdays, we can trade but saturday, I said we can trade and u can have kyurem, but your decision..
I still don't see any problems with this. Cueva27 seems willing to finish the trade. Only being able to trade on weekends is quite reasonable.
 

R'linho

Retro Trainer
I would need screenshots of both sides of the conversation, not just Cueva27's.
Cueva should be able to provide those. Still, if he confirmed the messages I uploaded, and even quoted some of them himself, word for word, wouldn't that be a confirmation that what I am saying is true?

I still don't see any problems with this. Cueva27 seems willing to finish the trade. Only being able to trade on weekends is quite reasonable.
Are you being serious? Do you honestly think he proceeded correctly with this trade? What if I'm not able to trade on weekends? Why do I need to be the one accommodating for his needs, when I'm not the one responsible for this situation? Also, why didn't he complete the trade last Sunday, when this happened? Was it not a weekend day?


This is a message I just sent to R'linho
*Ops please read.
I can confirm Cueva27 sent me that message. I contacted him back and asked him to pick a day and date of his choice (even though I do not agree it is reasonable at all that I'm the one that has to accommodate for the faulty part's needs). I will leave a post informing if the trade was completed by then.
 
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Victory★Star★

Mega Victini?
R'linho
I knew you were going to say why we didnt complete the trade that sunday, I have proof that You did avoid me trying to settle this trade, so you kind of wanted to turn something small into something big. Also that day I was grounded and I asked my mom if I could only use it for 5 minutes, she allowed me and then took it away and I was going to eat dinner..so i didnt have time. I am only available friday (maybe because my mom lets me use it mostly on fridays), saturdays, and sundays.

SkittyonWailord
I would not like to exactly *report*, but I would like for you to do something about DizzyCobraMew, he is spreading gossip like a maniac, check R'linho's visitor message and you will see dizzy commented a random time saying "im on your side, I also despise Cueva27 and other crap" he is saying it to Charizard, R'linho, and many others, I politely asked him to stop yet he proceeds and even lies. If I really sent him "200" messages and friend requests, take proof for his lies is being too much full of problems, and he is being just ridiculous.
 

Victory★Star★

Mega Victini?
Or R'linho lets just trade back cause this is becoming a big problem,deal? Its just better. Its not cause its Kyurem, i just think its better if we trade back.
 

Victory★Star★

Mega Victini?
i guess and its a better deal 4 u cause togepi is a ev trained in special defense togekiss lv. 32.
If u have a problem with me already training togepi, then we will just trade so u get kyurem instead. :3
 
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R'linho

Retro Trainer
Read your reply now. Sent you a PM at 4:29am GMT stating I'm logging in now (http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2589/34488025.png), since you're online at this time (please refer to the following screenshot to verify that you were online at the time I sent you the PM and that you were checking your private messages at that moment: http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6886/42747770.png).

See you at the wi-fi room

update: The trade ended up not being made as Cueva wasn't able to do so when i contacted him (http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6923/80409480.png). I asked him again to please leave a specific time at this thread, so both of us can be online at that time (http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3791/90547677.png).

update 2: After receiving a message at 4:47am GMT where Cueva27 told he wasn't able to trade, since it was past midnight in his timezone, he arranged a trade with another member 29 minutes later, at 5:16am GMT... (http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5429/16504544.png).
I left him a Visitor Message asking if he could trade after all, to which he replied, also on his Visitor Messages wall, he couldn't, because the Kyurem was on his Dream World (http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/405/19667074.png). To make sure he was telling me the truth, I headed to his Dream World island in order to verify he had the Kyurem tucked in. it turns out no Kyurem was tucked in, but a Shaymin (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4274/20422469.png).
 
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Victory★Star★

Mega Victini?
also just saying I recieved that message 4 hours later for some reason....unless it inputs the time difference on the forums.
 

R'linho

Retro Trainer
Just give me a specific time and I will be here. Please, a specific time: give me an hour. I will be here at that time, regardless of how inconvenient it might be for me. Any time, any one at all, you choose.

Again, please let me know of a specific time and i will be here.
 

R'linho

Retro Trainer
I'm updating my original post with all the occurrences that happened over the last 7 days:

Username of Scammer: Cueva27 (also has a second account nicknamed Cueva-27).
Friend Code: 3010 7094 6050

After a very large amount of trades made, ever since I registered here in 2007, it seems I sadly met the first dishonest member today, and I'm now reporting him, hopeful that he won't be able to do the same thing to other members.

The member in question is nicknamed Cueva27.

This member contacted me after reading a post of mine on the Togepi 5th Gen trade section , asking me if I had any female Togepi with the Serene Grace ability and the Nasty Plot egg-move, offering a shiny Cloyster in return. I replied affirmatively and added that, for the shiny Cloyster, I would be glad to add a male Togepi with Nasty Plot so he could pass it down by breeding, to which he agreed. On top of this, I made sure both Togepis had interesting IVs, specially the female one that is ready to be trained, something that wasn't asked, but that I was happy to do anyway.

After some days trying to finalize the trade, we finally arranged it a couple of hours prior to this post. Looking backwards, I now reckon the first sign this member could not be in good-faith was when he asked me, and I'll quote his private message: "and what pk u get again or was this a free gift?". Reminding him of what was arranged, he then replied "woah wait what sorry that was taken is kyurem ok haha", letting me know the Pokemon initially offered was taken. Displeased with the member not honoring his own side of the deal but, with really not much of a choice, I was happy to receive the Kyurem in return for the Togepis.

We then proceeded to the Wi-Fi room to finalize the trade. I gave him the first Togepi and he showed the agreed Kyurem, and two "fodder" Pokemon, which I reckoned I was to pick either one for the second Togepi. When doing a 2 for 2 trade, where I'm offered a rare Pokemon and a common one in return for my 2, I prefer to trade for the lower valued one first, leaving the rarer one for last, as proof that I will honor the trade and not leave after the first one goes through.
I picked one of them, a Gothorita, and confirmed the trade. Upon offering him the second Togepi, which would then be dealt for the Kyurem, I received a message stating I lost connection with the other player. Since the game returned me to the Wi-Fi room and said player was offline, I concluded he either lost connection or forgot about the second trade and manually disconnected his console.

Upon contacting him again, letting he know of the pending second trade, I found out the member had a second sudden change of mind after replying he was no longer interested in the second Togepi : "Actually I only wanted the female so I put up kyurem (which I was hoping u would pick since that is he only trademi wanted) but instead u chose event gothorita " . By this point it was pretty obvious the member was not being honest about his intentions. It makes no sense to end a trade with the other player not receiving what was originally agreed. Also, if he changed his mind and only wanted to trade for one Togepi, why would he offer anything else than the Kyurem in the Wi-fi room?
I let him know that I had no interest in the Gothorita and that it was taken as the second Pokemon of the 2 for 2 trade, asking him to either receive the second Togepi in return for the Kyurem, as originally agreed, or, if he was not interested in the second Togepi any more, to replace the Gothorita for the Kyurem, which I believe is the correct way to deal with the situation. The member then replied "oh well.....1st i did not think u would pick the gothorita but at the end is is fair since u get an event when i just get a easy to get togepi....so either way not fair, but i never wanted a male togepi....if u still want to trade we can but next weekend since i am very busy", which pretty much assured me of his poor ethics.

It's pretty clear to me that this was done intentionally and that the owner actually prefers me to have the fodder Pokemon instead of the offered Kyurem, which is arguably more valuable, explaining the disconnection, the sudden change of mind regarding his request and the excuse of not being able to correct the situation due to him "being very busy".

I post this hoping a moderator will take notice and prevent him to trick further members with similar offers.

updated February 10: after contacting one of these forums' moderators, SkittyOnWailord, I was told that Cueva27 was willing to complete the trade, to which I agreed, asking said moderator to set an unbiased date and time for both of us to be online and do the trade, avoiding any kind of delays or attempts to stall it. Unfortunately this never happened and I had to repeatedly, throughout the week, be the one proactively asking Cueva27 to please set a date and time for the trade to be finalized, even though I don't feel the part who's at a loss in this situation has to accommodate for the faulty's part availability. The requests were made Tuesday, the 5th, Saturday the 9th (also here) and today, Sunday the 10th. I made sure to write those posts at times when Cueva27 was online, so he would acknowledge me asking him to set a date and time. No date and time was ever set.
Saturday, the 9th, I read a post by Cueva27 stating he was "available today and now". I sent him a Private Message as soon as i read it at 4:29am GMT stating I was logging in, at a time when the member was online and checking his Private Messages.

The trade ended up not being made as Cueva27 wasn't able to do so when i contacted him (please check the following screenshot). I asked him again to please leave a specific time at this thread, so both of us can be online at that time.

After receiving a message at 4:47am GMT where Cueva27 told me he wasn't able to trade, since it was past midnight in his timezone, he arranged a trade with another member 29 minutes later, at 5:16am GMT....
I left him a Visitor Message asking if he could trade after all, to which he replied, also on his Visitor Messages wall, he couldn't, because the Kyurem was on his Dream World. To make sure he was telling me the truth, I headed to his Dream World island in order to verify he had the Kyurem tucked in. it turns out no Kyurem was tucked in, but a Shaymin was instead .

Sunday, the 10th, I wasted my entire day to make sure I was online at the forums in order to finalize the trade. Upon seeing him online, without replying to my requests in this thread to set a date and time, I sent him a Private Message letting him know I was online and waiting for him, to which he replied informing me he would be able to trade in one hour. I waited one hour. He then informed me, through a Visitor Message, as my inbox got full, that he had to logout because he was going to a friend's house and to church, and asking me to use a different Friend Code, which, to this time, he never gave, despite repeated requests to do so. After asking him to please give me this other Friend Code, he then replied it was too late and that we could trade later on the day (please refer to the previous screenshot). I then asked him, once again, to to please set a time for both of us to be online. He didn't. Some minutes later I noticed he was online, so I assumed he got back from church. I left another Visitor Message letting him know I was still online and able to trade, to which he replied at 1:12am saying "I can't now anymore long story I was actually in the middle of a trade too until my mom grabbed my laptop ending my trade and wifi access I might beable to trade in an hour".
I waited another hour and sent him a Visitor Message at 2:37am letting him know I was online and available to trade. I received no reply, despite him being online for several times after that message. I decided to send him another message almost one hour after the time he told me he was going to be available to trade, to which he replied that was not able to trade afterall: "I TOLD U AT 3pm THAT I COULD TRADE AT THAT MOMENT BUT NOW I CANT OKAY??????MY BLACK WIFI AINT WORKING. 1. stop stalking me. and 2. CHILL". I explained that he was the one that had told me he was going to be available one hour after his previous message, at 1:12am, and that I had waited for him since then. In his final message he had this to say: "You know what? I can trade tomorrow, and thats it about this hour if not Im Done. PERIOD", which, after everything that happened over the course of the last 7 days, is quite ironic, given the amazing excuses and efforts this member has put into avoiding me and this trade. I take it he has now realized he's able to do and promise whatever he pleases without being reprimanded, since that has been what has been happening over the last week.

By 3:24am, the member had deleted all the Visitor Messages that we exchanged tonight in his profile and that I captured in the screenshots posted throughout this paragraph: http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?330460-Cueva27&tab=visitor_messaging#visitor_messaging.

Once again I'm left waiting for the trade to be completed. It's 3:27am by the time I'm writing this. I have to wake up at 6:50 to go to work. I've spent almost all the free time I had during the past 7 days trying to call this situation to your attention, trying to recover from the loss I suffered from this trade and trying to arrange a date and time for this trade to finally be completed, inclusively forcing myself to stay awake through the dawn to catch him online. The fact that this person keeps canceling and delaying the trade shows he really has no consideration for my time and the personal life I'm abdicating to sort this issue out. I've wasted time that I could have invested working on my master's thesis, with a dishonest young children that's successfully doing whatever pleases him, promising things he doesn't accomplish and arranging plans he ends up changing every time at the last moment justifying them with a roll of excuses that I've many times found out, and proved with screenshots, to be false. Whatever the reasons could be that were preventing him to complete this trade, I highly doubt they're as urgent as what I've been giving up during the last week to do so. Still, I've been fully available at all times.

Obviously, this isn't about the Kyurem, as the member will quite happily hold on to it. The worry is that this is clearly a person who made a request which, naturally, took me time that I could have used in something else, changed his mind, didn't honor his offer and showed a lack of morals by not correcting his actions after knowing of the other part's dissatisfaction.

I'm starting to feel a bit humiliated and revolted with the way this situation is being dealt with. This member is being very successful in making me look like an idiot, forcing me to be in front of the computer during all the free time I had over the past 7 days, trying to catch him online and asking him times and times again to set a date and time for the trade to be completed. The moderator I contacted seems to have lost interest in my situation as well. I'm having an hard time understanding how easy it has been for Cueva27 to continually dismiss all the attempts I've made to correct this issue, making little effort in taking a proactive stance to reverse the trade. To make things worse, he's obviously playing around with me, saying and promising things he ends up changing at last minute.
All of this is making me believe it's very easy to trick the forums members in a trade and get away with impunity.

I vouch for my ethics and honesty when trading and never had any complaint from any member i traded with since I registered here 5 years ago. I have, inclusively, helped out members in several ways, be it helping them completing their Pokedex, giving them a particular rare Pokemon that I happened had to spare, without asking for anything in return, just for the pleasure to help. If needed, I'm positive these people will confirm what I'm saying.
 
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