Official Serebii League Suggestion Thread
Ooh la la,
Currently our suggestions thread is being overrun with posts with views on the USL.
So, to keep things clear for everybody and regarding everything.
Please post them here!
Im very much aware that a large number of views have been expressed already.
Yet keeping that thread specifically about the Battle Section, and this one about the league.
Well it just makes life easier for just about everybody =D
Here's a couple of things from the last view pages so we're all on the same page!
NOTE: Me posting this here DOES NOT mean we're creating the USL already (or at all).
This is simply to express everybodies views regarding this, and look at its (dis)advantages.
Keep it clean, on topic and try to be as constructive as you can.
Just bcos you dont agree with someone doesnt mean he's wrong.
Happy suggesting! ;P
Iggz
Ooh la la,
Currently our suggestions thread is being overrun with posts with views on the USL.
So, to keep things clear for everybody and regarding everything.
Please post them here!
Im very much aware that a large number of views have been expressed already.
Yet keeping that thread specifically about the Battle Section, and this one about the league.
Well it just makes life easier for just about everybody =D
Here's a couple of things from the last view pages so we're all on the same page!
I am going to see what I can remember of the USL, unfortunately it seems that a lot of it has been deleted, but I have a decent enough memory, so we'll see what happens. (Is there any chance they could be undeleted? There was a social group, and a thread by Femme addressing the matter, at least. checking the thread history of me, Xyden, HaunterShadow92, FemmeFatale and Blaine's cousin might reveal some interesting threads, if you are interested in digging up deleted threads.) I also have a few bits that I jotted down about a Serebii Tutoring Programme, that I will write down here.
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The United Serebii League
A lot of the most basic ideas are presented in this thread. There is not much there, no illegal hacks, ratios of Gym Leader's Pokemon, and that the champion is not elected.
There was to be a commitee of 5 or 6 people, who were allowed to be Gym Leaders, but were not necessarily, to look after the pastoral side of the league. There would then be 24 "playing staff" and then 1 Champion.
The main things we discussed in the early stages were organisational. We came to an agreement that we would swap at least some of the leaders about once every two months. I remember that we also discussed having two people in charge of each gym, to make sure that they were as active as possible, and if a leader needed to take a break the other could step in. I really like this idea, because it means that, when one person leaves, they can leave their gym to the other person, who can then take charge of "hiring" another gym leader and ensure that the change-over goes as smoothly as possible. People should probably have to battle either one gym leader, or the other to get the badge, not both.
As for the format, in the end, we decided that the standard format would be used, there would be 8 Gym Leaders, who were selected by a process (to be outlined later) and Four Elite Four, who were also selected. The champions position would only be filled when somebody beat the Gym Leaders (I think I was for only having to beat ~6 leaders, although other were all for having to beat all 8) and then the Elite 4. the Gym Leaders could be challenged in any order. I think that the Elite Four should also be allowed in any order (simply because of timing, challenging on order is too awkward) others were for challenging them in order. If the champion is beaten, the new champion takes his place (if he wishes to, of course).
A few other tidbits were decided, a lot of time was spent of creating a "rules" and almost introductory guide to the league, so that people knew all of the details of how it was run, and how they should go about challenging (if we could dig this up, that would be fantastic. It is most likely in the deleted social group) You had to wait 3 or 4 days before re-challenging a Gym Leader.
There was a lot of stuff on how we would hire / rotate Gym leaders, and how the thread would be laid out (for example, should each Gym leader have his own thread?) There hiring process involved a simple questionaaire, that determined whether the leader got a practice battle and then if they passed that, the remaining candidates got an interview type battle, to see how tought they were. The questionaaire was no joke, does anyone have one saved in their PM boxes, or something? One did not necessarily need to win the battle, either, just to prove that they were competant. There was to be no restrictions on what types the Gym-Leaders had to be, although it was agreed that no two gym leaders should have the same type, and no two Elite Four should have the same type either. The Gyms types would be decided by the types of the eight best candidates, and then another candidate for that type would be selected from the pool, the same goes for the Elite Four.
OK, that's all I can remember for now. I'm sure that there is more information locked up in my head, so please throw questions at me, and I may well be able to tell you what we agreed on, and then maybe a few ideas, if nothing was agreed on!
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Serebii Tutoring Programme
I'll update the post with this later, I've typed a lot already!
Goldfan. You basically said everything I could remember. Only just that the commitee took like a group of 15 or so applicants and tested them to see if they were worthy.
I wouldn't start the USL seeing as you will need a comitee first, which I would gladly still be a part of, in order to get EVERYTHING straight first. The most important thing about this league is that it wwould be the official league, thus it would have to be presented it the nicest and simplest way possible. It would be best to choose the commitee first, start a chat room, and then through PMs and everything share set-ups until you get the perfect set-up and THEN submit it. You don't want to start something unfinished. It needs to be READY for signups the moment it is posted. There will definatly be a high demand for positions and the longer you wait to get a crew to test them, the less the interest. I suggest to setting up the commitee first and then together decide who will be the overall leader, which I would assume would be you since you are taking this pretty muh right now as a leader, and then decide who does what.
From what I remember there were 7 positions in the commitee. These could be totally wrong but this is what I remember:
-Overall Leader
-Co-Leader
-Gym Manager (Keeps track of activity, makes sure gyms are accepting challenges, etc.)
-Tester (Everyone can test, but these are who the applicants come to first)
-Tester(" ")
-I can't remember the others unfortunatly.
EDIT: Oh and on the tutoring thing. There isn't really much to say is there? Just: A bunch of people sing up to be tutors, activity is key AND so on and so forth.
EDIT2: Also, I think Goldfan hit it right on the head with Gyms being seperate threads. In that case, the USL should be a new sub-section, and if at all possible, the comitte should be the only mods there (don't read as mods of the entire 4th gen sction, just the one sub-section). This way the committee knopws all of the rules and won't have to bother other mods to close threads and such.
Hello All!
I just got back from a long break away, and I heard the USL was trying to be restarted. As one of the Committee members of the Original USL, I worked Closely with Goldfan, Femme, Haunt, and Blaine. I also kept records of all discussions i had about it, both Public and Private. I have them saved on a few flash drives which i will locate and post later today seeing that it is 1:50 in the morning here and i need to be in work at 8. (in just a few hours).
I want to be a part of this at an Coordinator Level. Seeing that My talents are there, it would be something that I would be dedicated to. The USL was a pillar that had to be built and after it was put on the back burner, i kept all my files in case this happened.
Till later,
Don
EDIT:
So I have been reading the Thread a bit more in depth, and I want to address some things.
The USL: Goldfan did a wonderful job explaining it. If my memory Serves me it was similar, if not exactly the way he wrote it up. As to the layout of the League, I think that it should be set up like Regileague. Like mentioned before, Make it Serebii's Official League. That way you can make a Section devoted to the league itself and subsections for each of the gyms and E4 members. On these subsections, there could be a thread for asking for challenges, people who won, and so on. The RegiLeague format has been extremely successful. I would also suggest that you make a c-box that is dedicated and run by those in the league itself. I also suggest that you mod new mods to look after the Section. Instead of bringing in Mods like Erik, Volt, and Ellie (who most likely not have a hands on approach as I, goldfan, or haunt would) it would be better to mod new people (like ones just mentioned) just to mod over that ONE section. This way things can get done faster and simpler. Only those who seem dedicated should be the ones to have that respect and responsibility.
Here is a rough Draft of what we can have the section set up like: (Sections are Bolded, Subsections have indent & -)
United Serebii League
League Information
-Information/History of League (General Info)
-Official Staff/Roster
-Official Rules of League
-League Admin Thread
-League Admin Thread
Gym Leaders
-Gym Leader 1 Thread
-Gym Leader 2 Thread
-Gym Leader 3 Thread
-Gym Leader 4 Thread
-Gym Leader 5 Thread
-Gym Leader 6 Thread
-Gym Leader 7 Thread
-Gym Leader 8 Thread
-Gym Leader LeaderBoard (Hall of Fame for Gyms)
Elite 4
-E4 Member 1 Thread
-E4 Member 2 Thread
-E4 member 3 Thread
-E4 Member 4 Thread
-Champion Thread
This System is our best bet. The rules about the League can be amended at any time. We should also get the USL up and running ASAP! We wait long and it could be deadlocked! Oh another thing.... If the USL is created, I think all other Leagues should be allowed stay open, but with a restriction. Only one other League (at one time) should be allowed. This allows for different types of leagues to be opened. the
The Clan Section: I think it should be reworked. Like said before me, have tougher restrictions. Before the Clan is approved, prehaps the prospective Leader has to get 10+ members to agree to be regular members. If no activity is seen (and I mean productive activity) for a few days, it gets shut down. Perhaps only allow 4 Clans at once? The section needs to be saved...fast....
Anyway thats it for me...for now.... I hope some good can come out of this and I look forward till later! LONG LIVE THE USL!
~Don
I don't think that an entire section devoted to the USL is necessary. I think that we should try to run it in one thread, although perhaps a sub-forum would be useful. We certainly don't need separate sections for Gym Leaders / Elite Four, that would just be a waste, and would completely "take over" the Battle forum, when there are a lot of other sections that also deserve attention. I also don't want to draw comparisons to the RegiLeague, I'd like to think we can work on this separately, perhaps taking small influences from elsewhere, but not completely modelling ourselves off something else. As I have already said, I don't think that modding will be necessary. Also, I wouldn't assume you are actually working on it yet, the mods are also discussing these ideas and it is them that will make the final choices, we are simply giving them ideas (hopefully )
EDIT: Is that the exact Questionnaire? I only remember it being 10 questions, it wasn't like that at all =/. Anyway, that is not what I would want the questionnarie to be like entirely, I would want it to focus on battling a lot more, and less on administrative questions. Additionally, it is too long, Questions such as "How many battles have you won / lost are easy to doctor, lie about. I wouldn't know how many I won / lost anyway! A lot of questions also have very similar answers. I will post an outline of the sort of thing I would want in a bit. Of course, I will use some of the questions you provided
I think first we would have an Application for that would ask some necessary details. This would be posted in the thread, and would be more administrative, not testing skills. Some questions would obviously want some battling background but not a huge amount:
1.) Are you applying for the position of Gym leader or Elite Four?
2.) What type do you wish to use in your position?
3.) What former battling experience do you have?
4.) What timezone are you in?
5.) Explain breifly why you are fit for this job?
I don't expect this to weed out many applicants, but those with little experience should be fairly obvious. Those who pass this very easy test would then go on the Battling Questionnaire. The battling questionnarie should get right to the point, in my opinion. 5 medium answer questions or so, I think, will do the trick. This will weed out the better battlers, so that we are only having to battle a minimum of competant people, If you see what I mean. Something like this might do the trick:
1.) Is your mono-team built yet? If so, explain how it works, and why you built it that way. If not, explain your ideas and how you intend to build your team. Try to include especially, precautions that you might need to take when facing normally-built teams.
2.) Say Pokemon x was take out of the metagame, how do you think it would change?
3.) What type of team do you usually play with? Explain your preference. (Note that this question refers to types of standard team such as Stall and other types, rather than gimmik-themed teams, such as Regional or mono-type teams)
4.) What UU or NU Pokemon would you like to see an evolution of, and explain your choice. (Please stick to competitive reasoning as much as possible)
5.) Explain more fully your battling experience.
This is obviously just a sample. Question 1 is designed to test a person's aptitude with mono-type teams. I would want to them to explain breifly about covering weaknesses, but also about ensuring that you have at least one game plan. That is what DPP is all about, after all. Question 2 test a players understanding of the metagame, nad the influences on Pokemon has on another, this is very important for mono-type teams, as you have a much smaller pool of Pokemon to experiement with. Question 3 should test general competance, it should become obvious if a player is a good battler from the answer that they give to this question. Question 4 is a lighter Question, but still tests a candidates knowledge of the metagame, and will help to gauge their playing style. Finally Question 5 is just looking for a little more of the history behind the player.
Now that I think about it, a whole section might be overkill, but a subsection is needed no doubt. Prehaps have this to make it more condensed:
United Serebii League
-General Information & Rules
-Official Staff & Leader Roster
-Admin's Thread (for people to discuss ideas and what not)
-Gym Leader & E4 Thread (have the 13 first posts reserved for bios & information of the leaders. The rest of the thread can be for asking for battles and what not)
-Hall of Fame
This would make the league more compact. It's not a waste, trust me, if its not needed, then delete it, but i have a feeling that what I mentioned above is needed. Now I was thinking of the Committee. If set up, I think that it should be 5 not 7+ people. 5 is a good small number. if you have too many people, it might get a bit confusing.
Also, Gold, you said that you are against Modding. I am too if alot of people are modded. Like i said before, all Sections need to be modded sooner or later, and what i suggested was that someone like you or me who will be working on it hard should be Mods for that one section. That way, it cuts out the middleman. If you constantly had to have Erik Change a post, it would get annoying for you and him wouldnt it? By having one or two for that section only, things would get done faster.
As to the questionnaire, i was mistaken. that was my rough draft i sent Femme. she changed it alot. Sorry bout that! Well got to run!
~Don
NOTE: Me posting this here DOES NOT mean we're creating the USL already (or at all).
This is simply to express everybodies views regarding this, and look at its (dis)advantages.
Keep it clean, on topic and try to be as constructive as you can.
Just bcos you dont agree with someone doesnt mean he's wrong.
Happy suggesting! ;P
Iggz