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U.S. Politics 2017: So much for the tolerant SPPf

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Polls' started by BigLutz, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Plus racism has been blooming since forever. People just like to pretend it isn't happening.
     
  2. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    And you're arguing for him? If you think he'd even try to push those policies why gamble with not voting for him?
     
  3. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    I came to the realization tonight and not a particularly happy one, that much as I love the guy, if Bernie had won the primary we'd be looking at a Trump presidency. He wouldn't have been able to get under Trump's skin or crush him in the debates, and I think far less of Trump's deplorable shit would have come to light and what did would have been downplayed. It's maddening that the first woman president has to win against certainly the most incompetent person to ever run for the office and among the most heinous to ever run, but if it hadn't been her he would have won. And there is still a part of me that can't let go of worrying that he still have might if it wasn't for a few key plays by her campaign.

    Basically Hillary is winning because of how politically apt she is on the big stage, and anyone else would have fallen because they could beat most candidates, but Trump would be an enigma only she can solve.
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2016
  4. kawaiiconcept

    kawaiiconcept TOP OF THE MORNIN'

    wow these are some very good points.
    i tgink what people need to remember is that bernie is SUPPORTING hillary
    they will be working togeather
    she has stated this multiple times
     
  5. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    When trusting your life and those of your family depends on a crapshoot, I'll go with the guy - or rather, lady in this case - who acts sane.

    Of course, I do NOT think Hillary is a crapshoot. While 60% of Americans say they don't trust her, I'm in the 40% who does. Call me naïve, call me overly trusting, call me politically correct (that's not a bad thing in my eyes), call me someone who supports "career politicians" (likewise), she's better than the sleazy, incompetent lunatic who is now running on the Republican ticket.

    Given a choice between Trump and the protagonists opponent in Purge: Election Year, I'd likely take the latter. (Guy was a madman and a blatant bigot, but at least he didn't deny it.)
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2016
  6. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    At the worst with hillary, we just arent going to see any reslly big changes....which isnt horrible because as she said the country has definitely been better since obama took over than 'that guy before'.
     
  7. Navin

    Navin MALDREAD

    Bernie would have beaten Trump lol. He's as good if not a better debater than Hillary.


    You mean Obama didn't do "new things" such as the Paris Agreement, ACA/Obamacare, LGBT marriage equality, Iran nuclear deal, saving the auto industry and policies that jumpstarted the economy from the worst recession since the Great Depression, normalization of relations with Cuba, etc. I could go on.

    This election made people appreciate what they had in Obama, and what he did. That's why his approval rating is at 55% and likely to go even higher when he leaves office (and that's tremendous in this polarized, social media era).
     
  8. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    I prefer no changes to cataclysmic changes.

    I mean, my regular credit card was changed to a chip card six months ago, and I've still not adjusted to the change
     
  9. Mr. Reloaded

    Mr. Reloaded At this point, who knows?

    Trump: "I will totally accept results if I win"

    Just stop before you hurt yourself anymore.
     
  10. kawaiiconcept

    kawaiiconcept TOP OF THE MORNIN'

    yup
    hes really overconfidant at this point...even though hes MASSIVILY loosing
    its his own undoing I swear.
     
  11. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Bernie is good at debating policy. It's why him and Hillary had good debates in the primary. But during the main election the one time most people thought Trump did better was when she got in depth with policy, and he just sniped comments until she changed focus and tore him apart. Plus Hillary is huge with women and minority voters, where Bernie struggled with.

    So he probably would have still won, but it wouldn't be a blowout like now, and it would be a lot closer.
     
  12. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    Bernie isn't a better debater than Hillary. In their debates, he pivoted a lot to his rally stump speech of wall street and college debt. Bernie would only seem like a better debater to young millennials.

    Clinton is the most nuanced and detailed debater of this entire election cycle outside of Kasich.
     
  13. ebevan91

    ebevan91 Well-Known Member

    Still can't believe the Republican votes passed up on Kasich. He probably would've annihilated Clinton. Lots of polls suggested that Kasich would beat Clinton, but everyone wanted the guy who wasn't a politician because they're tired of politicians. Well, look at what it got you (Let's be honest this election was sealed for her a long time ago). A Clinton presidency. Something you didn't want. Surely they would've rather had a Republican politician over a Democratic politician. Hell even some liberals I know liked the guy (but probably would still vote for the Democrat candidate).
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2016
  14. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    kasich was the most well rounded GOP nominee by far, but he also has some scary policies about stuff that I would never vote in at all. I'm surprised rand paul didn't make more of a push since he straight up was a libertarian running as a republican and actually had credential unlike trump. Of course though when it started coming down to cruz and rubio near the top, that sealed it for trump.
     
  15. I-am-the-peel

    I-am-the-peel Justice Forever

    I agree Hillary is better in debates but I can't help but feel Bernie would've been seen as a more efficient and likable candidate than her. All this controversy about her leaked emails and her role in the Iraq War, and Trump's continued ridicule of her for her 'Wall Street ties' have only served to hinder her than help her.

    All in all, I wish Bernie had gotten the nomination but I'd still happily pick Hillary as President over Trump any day.
     
  16. ebevan91

    ebevan91 Well-Known Member

    I would've loved Rand Paul as well. He could've gotten a lot of independent voters too.
     
  17. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    Bernie would have been slandered by the GOP by associating him with socialism. Bernie also still has some dirt for taxes and his net worth. Bernie's past is actually very... empty. Rumored to not have a single regular income his entire life? Ehhhhh.

    He also does worse in swing states.
     
  18. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Bernie also wrote about how women fantasized about being raped so that's very hard to fight against.
     
  19. Ketaru

    Ketaru Well-Known Member

    After watching the debates, I'm not entirely sure they had to. Any time policy came up, their answers sounded like they were pretty much out of the Republican and Democrat playbooks. These debates were purely about evaluating their character and fitness to be president. Some scandals were thrown in, all with some readily available explanation. Also, two independent benchwarmers name calling from the sidelines, and the main candidates not even deigning to give a response since they're such non-issues.
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2016
  20. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Hillary's website has all of her policy details, and you can look up events where she talks about them. She just can't focus on them for a debate, because that's how Donald works. You focus on making him look like the joke he is.
     

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