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U.S. Politics 2017: So much for the tolerant SPPf

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Polls' started by BigLutz, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. If you can demonstrate that it was specifically Bernie supporters that were the deciding factor, I'll concede. If not, I'm just going to conclude that you're being silly and bitter. If you're making the claim you have the burden of proof, like always.

    I really hope this doesn't take two years like Watergate.

    I don't want to talk about it anymore than you do, really. I agree.
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2017
  2. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Bernie supporters were much more likely to go to Clinton than Clinton 08 supporters going to Obama. You just had that loud vocal minority.

    The issue was the Hilary Clinton didn't bring overall people out like Obama did, Russian interference and other similar issues aside.

    Honestly nothing will happen unless 2018 is good to Dems because you think the GOP will do anything regardless of what happens?
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2017
  3. Pikachu52

    Pikachu52 Well-Known Member


    I know this is a bit of a nothing. Claiming "IN AMERICA WE DON'T WORSHIP GOVERNMENT - WE WORSHIP GOD!" is boilerplate Republican - it's the sort of thing Ted Cruz recites in his sleep. But it sounds just a little bit on the nose from a man who brags about committing adultery, is divorced and married three times, told a reporter he'd never asked for God's forgiveness, said his favourite bible verse was corinthians 2, made his money in gambling and once referred to communion as "having my little cracker."

    The last time I heard Donald Trump say anything even remotely religious, he was telling the national prayer breakfast to pray for Arnold Schwarzenegger's TV ratings, and where he also said in front of religious leaders from 70 countries, "the hell with it!"

    Heck, maybe one of the voices in his head told him he is a god - his rallies certainly a cult like quality to them. And maybe we should all be praying one of the other voices in his head doesn't start telling him that the one true God is Vladimir goddamned Putin.

    And this comes after a tweet attacking Jeff Sessions, ONE OF HIS SYCOPHANTS, for not firing acting FBI director Andrew McCabe who he's accusing of essentially being bought off by Clinton.
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2017
  4. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    Pikachu, what do you expect? The man's a lying hypocrite.

    I said that from day ONE.
  5. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    I agree with mostly everything you said but this isn't really anything concrete because:

    1) Those polls were old. Like, really old. Neither had even won the primary yet.

    2) This has a lot to do with Sanders' overall unknown history Republicans had yet to attack.

    3) Most Bernie supporters had most in common with Trump supporters by being mostly white men, but that doesn't mean Bernie would have literally done better because his ability to turn out minorities was actually very poor.

    4) Bernie lost to Clinton in every single swing state which is major in a general election.

    tl;dr favorite polls aren't really true evidence for who would do better in a general election. A lot more factors come into play.

    Also, I'm not trying to judge Bernie voters mentality or anything but it's a little hypocritical as the underdog candidate of "true genuineness" to tell people to vote for someone because they seem to have a better chance even if you actually like the other candidate better.

    Like, I'd expect to hear that more from Clinton supporters.
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2017
  6. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

  7. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

  8. Excitable Boy

    Excitable Boy is a metaphor

    Whitelist it

    They're good journalism
  9. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    Ken Starr himself is telling Trump to stop it.

    One after another, the staunchest Conservatives in the country are telling him "no more".
  10. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Mitch McConnell is trying to cry but he can go fuck himself. This piece of shit would condemn millions to die if he wanted and he can't even get the "best" worst option to pass.

    Edit: Get fucked you turtle faced bitch.
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2017
  11. Excitable Boy

    Excitable Boy is a metaphor

    John McCain finally emerges from his larval partisan form as a beautiful, graceful maverick

    Blessed be thy moderates' betrayal
  12. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    Bobjr, please, its bad enough we have a new White House communications director with a foul mouth.

    As for McCain, maybe he figures that this will earn him a small bit of redemption before he meets his maker. I'm not one to judge. But I do hope there's a special place in Hell for McConnell and the others who would let children die for their pigheaded greed.
  13. The Admiral

    The Admiral solid state survivor

    John McCain, at the very best, yanked the chains of people who, due to economic position, are most subject to anxiety and would be most affected by the bill. He's no less of a piece of shit than usual.
  14. Ambyssin

    Ambyssin Winter can't come soon enough

    The fact that it even got to a position where Republican Senators were voting yes on a bill that they wanted to fail (or at least end up stuck in conference committee) is a farce. That's not how the system's supposed to work. That's just toxic levels of party loyalty, at this point. Every GOP congressperson not named Susan Collins or Lisa Murkowski pretty much just wants to say, "Hey, I tried to repeal Obamacare. It's not my fault."

    How about saying, "I worked across the aisle and with health care experts to make something better to replace it," instead? Too much to ask for? Yeah, probably.
  15. Navin

    Navin MALDREAD

    McCain with that made-for-TV thumb drop "No" to screw over Trump and the other GOP piece of shits who voted "Yes" for that bill. I like it. Props to Senators Collins and Murkowski for not giving in to bullying and partisan politics.
  16. Ambyssin

    Ambyssin Winter can't come soon enough

  17. I think they're going to get Trump. Republicans have signaled that they'll defect if he decides to fire Mueller or Jeff Sessions. He can fire them and see if he's successful at intimidating the Republican senators that threatened him or he can wait as Mueller gets closer and closer.

    I just don't see him as having a lot of options right now. Perhaps the Republicans will protect him no matter what, that's always a possibility, but I think a lot of them are just waiting for the investigation to play out.
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2017
  18. Navin

    Navin MALDREAD

    They're stuck. He might have lost the popular vote, but Trump beat all of them and did win the election. At the same time, he lost the popular vote and has record low approval ratings. Furthermore, he had the help of Russian hackers and paid trolls who influenced people with fake news and comments over the Internet.

    If Trump falls, it'll screw the entire Republican party perception. They know as long as he's tweeting and signing off all of their bills, they can get their agenda through, no matter how morally depraved the man is in the White House. At the same time, some of these politicians have a conscience regarding Trump and Russian ties, and know this is the right course of action. Some might believe if they defect from Trump, they can claim their 'patriotism.'
  19. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    "Get their agenda through"?

    Maldred, Trump's behavior pretty much killed the biggest agenda they had, the one they've been working on seven years. it was the worst week any President in modern history has had. (And if they think tax reform will go through now, they're kidding themselves.)

    Trump had become their albatross.
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2017
  20. Ambyssin

    Ambyssin Winter can't come soon enough

    The GOP could make better progress on their legislative agenda with Mike Pence at the helm. In fact, I think FiveThirtyEight pointed out that Pence's "social conservative bloc" has been the wing of the GOP that has seen the most success in Trump's first 6 months.

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