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U.S. Politics 2017: So much for the tolerant SPPf

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Polls' started by BigLutz, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. Trainer Yusuf

    Trainer Yusuf VolcaniNO

    There seems to be a common belief that either Ukraine or Russia will stage a provocation in Donbass with the World Cup in Russia serving a distraction. I doubt this, outside of military build up of Ukraine with the support of Trump's GOP, Gagauzia in Moldova is probably a better bet. I was thinking Libya or Yemen, but they are not as quick.

    I'll probably talk about Turkish elections here later... but I will talk about results. Not liveblog. Erdoğan is obviously going to win, but how matters.
     
  2. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    What was with so many presidents between Jackson and Grant being a dumpster fire? Lincoln and Polk are big fat exceptions, but we got two guys who died too soon(Harrison and Taylor), two guys who are forgettable(Tyler and Fillmore), a guy who inherited a bad situation(Van Buren), and three guys often ranked as the worst president(Pierce, Buchanan, Johnson)

    People say the 21st century has had a bad time president-wise have forgotten about the mid-19th cenutry
     
  3. Pikachu52

    Pikachu52 Well-Known Member

  4. The Admiral

    The Admiral solid state survivor

    Andrew Jackson was pretty shitty on a human level, too.
     
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  5. Trainer Yusuf

    Trainer Yusuf VolcaniNO



    SCOTUS legalized voter disenfranchisement, for individual states.
     
  6. Zora

    Zora Who dies first?

  7. U.N. Owen

    U.N. Owen In Brightest Day, In Blackest Night ...

    Let’s summarize what exactly is happening in politics right now: instead of press conferences, long letters that probably would make Hamilton look humble, or statements, we’re having politicians debate and comment over Twitter as if we’re fans. I’m all for using our technology but this seems a bit more disappointing than I hoped for everyone not named Trump.
     
  8. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    He was probably the craziest US President. People say Trump is, I say "Trump is at least partly putting on an act. Jackson was not"

    Is anyone related to a former US president or Vice President?
     
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  9. Pikachu52

    Pikachu52 Well-Known Member

    Well there we have it...We’ve had the Singapore Summit and we have a joint statement:

    You can read the full statement here: http://amp.abc.net.au/article/9861688

    Here are the core points:

    Personally I feel this is more style over substance. It’s not a treaty nor even an agreement of any sort. It’s a lofty set of goals the two countries have signed in a joint statement.

    As such it contains no clear commitments on the behalf of either North Korea or the US. No timelines for abolishing weapons, no agreement to allow weapons inspectors entry ect. They’ve used the undefined term “denuclearise,” which likely means differnet things to the different parties.

    And in exchange for that the US has made several big concessions to the North Koreans. The US has committed to ending joint military exercises with the South Koreans for example.
     
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  10. Trainer Yusuf

    Trainer Yusuf VolcaniNO

    That was never going to happen. If DPRK leaves its weapons, it will give signal for anyone to intervene. Examples of Libya, Ukraine, Syria-Iraq, and Egypt are still recent. We wouldn't want to embolden John Bolton nor Wei Fenghe.

    Biggest issue here is the long range weapons. Short range weapons are not an issue because DPRK will not blow up ROK(because why would you want to blow up yourself?), but US needs to make sure they lose their ability to nuke Honolulu and Tokyo.

    Edit: Major global news:
    https://twitter.com/LGBTMarriage/status/1006636824884678656
    Macedonia agrees to change its name to Northern Macedonia. With this name change, Macedonia will be the next major country in the track for NATO membership, taking Bosnia's lead, and next EU country after Albania.
     
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  11. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    North Korea previously pledged denuclearization in 1985, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2016. Each pledge was a lie.

    Trump got put in a lose/lose situation here, and odds are he'll take it out on one of our allies instead.
     
  12. Poke Trainer J

    Poke Trainer J Well-Known Member

    I'm cautiously optimistic that things will be different this time around, President Trump looked past the terrible atrocities that Kim Jong Un committed among his own people and saw the good in him. North Korea definitely has a long way to go If they're really committed to becoming a nation of freedom, democracy, and liberty supportive of human rights and economic prosperity that isn't reliant on nuclear weapons.

    China is afraid of a unified Korea because they don't like the idea of the U.S. having a potential ally to get back at them for taking advantage of the U.S. economically. They see how prosperous South Korea has become and they don't want to see the same thing happen in North Korea, hopefully it doesn't escalate into another trade war when Trump already managed to start one with Canada, Mexico, and the European Union.
     
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  13. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    It's not like North Korea will stop being a horrible dictatorship. Seeing any "good" that can be used mostly for PR purposes and ignoring the bad doesn't exactly look great.
     
  14. Poke Trainer J

    Poke Trainer J Well-Known Member

    According to Luke 23:34, Jesus said, "Father, forgive them: for they do not know what they are doing."

    I'm sure it must of been hard for Jesus to forgive the Romans for crucifying him, but it's a prime example that people need to forgive and make amends cause nobody gets a second chance to make new old friends.
     
  15. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    It's not even forgiveness as much as the shiny ball dangling in Trump's face. You can't even forgive someone if you don't have the empathy of understanding what North Korea has done wrong in the first place.
     
  16. Poke Trainer J

    Poke Trainer J Well-Known Member

    Republicans probably said the same thing about Obama in regards to the Iran Nuclear Deal. It's hard to make that comparison since Iran hasn't become a nuclear state like North Korea has but that's because the provisions that the Obama Administration put in place seems to be working. Trump doesn't think it's gone far enough which is why he's imposing strong sanctions against them in hopes that what recently happened with North Korea will happen with Iran.

    It's my understanding that Trump believes that Iran is still trying to aid Assad's regime in Syria under the Iran Nuclear Deal by smuggling nuclear weapons to them while also conspiring with Putin and the Russians who are aiding them as well. Netanyahu on the other hand is claiming that Iran lied about their nuclear weapons program by using it as a bargaining chip to help further advance their agenda as a global sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East.
     
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  17. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    We should probably just assassinate the monster that is the Kim family and hope things get better, like we tried to do to Hitler
     
  18. Poke Trainer J

    Poke Trainer J Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure If that will do any good as it would increase tensions in the Korean Peninsula that the Singapore Summit managed to ease temporarily. Turns out that Kim Jong Un wants us to withdraw all of our military troops from the Korean Peninsula or as Trump likes to call them "War Games" as an agreement to denuclearize but how they'll follow through on that I'm uncertain. The document they signed didn't really tell us a whole lot unfortunately.

    Trump's already invited Kim Jong Un to the White House so we'll see how that goes. He might even give a speech to Congress similar to what French Prime Minister Macron did during his visit. There's already future summits being planned with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Russian President Vladimir Putin. What the subject matter may be is likely to do with what North Korea plans to do for it's future.
     
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  19. Trainer Yusuf

    Trainer Yusuf VolcaniNO

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  20. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    It also should be noted that North Korea is already spinning the "US is removing sanctions" line, which just means thanks to no notes or proof they have a solid advantage there. Either Trump did promise that and we literally gained nothing at the cost of losing allies, or we call the bluff and things just remain the same.

    Reminder that Trump isn't a rational actor. He doesn't work for the US, the US works for him. He cares about photos more than actual written deals and solutions.
     

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