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U.S. Politics: The Biggest Trade in WNBA History

Trainer Yusuf

VolcaniNO

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You remember those Bundy folk who took over federal land and smashed priceless artifacts? Guess who got full pardons today, after they were cleared of all charges because white people can't be terrorists.

Also the Trump administration hasn't even tried helping the kids in the concentration camps, and accidentally admitted they might have taken kids who were U.S. Citizens.

https://twitter.com/DemWrite/status/1016671357579374593

People like Stephen Miller and Kirstjen Nielsen should be hanged for this instead of being upset they can't eat in public.
 
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Pikachu52

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Donny arrived in Brussels today ahead of the NATO summit, where he greeted Europe with these idiotic tweets:

Many countries in NATO, which we are expected to defend, are not only short of their current commitment of 2% (which is low), but are also delinquent for many years in payments that have not been made. Will they reimburse the U.S.?

The European Union makes it impossible for our farmers and workers and companies to do business in Europe (U.S. has a $151 Billion trade deficit), and then they want us to happily defend them through NATO, and nicely pay for it. Just doesn’t work!

So what are we to take from this:

1. That once again, as he did on the campaign trail, he's indicating a willingness on the part of his administration to welsh on the US's commitments to NATO, in particular article 5.

2. That he's prepared to link NATO commitments to trade, even though the NATO treaty has nothing to do with trade in order to bludgeon Europe into giving him what he wants.

3. That, if we take the potential consequences of a weaken NATO to mean increased Russian aggression in Eastern Europe, he doesn't see this consequence as adversarial to the US's interest, or he sees it as less of issue that the US's trade deficit with the European Union, or not such a threat that he can't use it to play a game of chicken with EU states, or that he's indifferent to them and only interested in attacking longstanding US allies to rile up his base.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/10/17550008/trump-nato-summit-putin

So, after months of "no collusion," and "witch hunt" and "13 angry democrats" in response to the accusations his campaign colluded with Russia to help him win the election, he was again indicated that he wants to peruse a foreign policy that directly benefits the interests of Vladimir Putin.
 

Trainer Yusuf

VolcaniNO
With the formation of PESCO and its desire to intervene in MENA NATO is effectively pointless outside of finding finance for outdated nuclear missiles to frighten Russians and Chinese.

Trump isn't necessarily wrong here. NATO has been a de facto trade alliance for NA-Europe with its own Parliament where US presence has diminished with Germany and Turkey. It's continuous growth has been little more than an ego boost for US-UK military industrial complexes. The problem is, for the time being, NATO is the only thing that protects countries like Latvia and Poland from Russian invasion, and it is one of the carrot sticks for Balkan countries to join EU.
Edit: https://europeanwesternbalkans.com/2018/07/12/macedonia-invited-become-natos-30th-member-state/
Yay. Macedonia's membership to NATO isn't too important since it is not a strategic country, but it is necessary as a stepping stone to get into EU.
 
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Scammel

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NATO has been a de facto trade alliance for NA-Europe... Its continuous growth has been little more than an ego boost for US-UK military industrial complexes.

The problem is, for the time being, NATO is the only thing that protects countries like Latvia and Poland from Russian invasion

So... which is it?

Only joking, it's obviously the latter. NATO has diminished importance in Western Europe because the frontline of Russian influence has been rolled back, but it's still absolutely relevant in its core aims. Putin would invade the Baltics if he thought he could get away with it.
 

Pikachu52

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NATO has diminished importance in Western Europe because the frontline of Russian influence has been rolled back, but it's still absolutely relevant in its core aims. Putin would invade the Baltics if he thought he could get away with it.

Which, as I suggested, begs the question, does Trump not consider a potential Russian invasion of the Baltics to be against the US's interest in the region. Because his approach to NATO so far appears to suggest that he doesn't, or at least seems to suggest that such an eventuality is far less of a concern to US than failure of member states to meet the 2% of GDP mark.
 

Scammel

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Which, as I suggested, begs the question, does Trump not consider a potential Russian invasion of the Baltics to be against the US's interest in the region. Because his approach to NATO so far appears to suggest that he doesn't, or at least seems to suggest that such an eventuality is far less of a concern to US than failure of member states to meet the 2% of GDP mark.

Trump's approach contains a few assertions which are worth breaking down:

- Many NATO members spend less than 2% on defence and should be pressured into meeting the target: True. Germany in particular is a prime example of a rich nation with plenty of social spending and regional power that coasts on the defence spending of other nations (which makes talk of it joining the P5 on the UNSC bewildering). Nations can and should pay more.

- Germany is highly dependent on Russian energy and is thus inclined to take a softer line on Putin's transgressions: Probably true, if hard to gauge at times; Merkel has a reputation for being cooler than her allies when it comes to sanctions. That said, Germany's energy dependency isn't going to go away overnight.

- NATO members should spend 4% of GDP on defence: Complete batshit. This is either flippant thinking on Trump's apart or a deliberate effort to give the US justification to break up the alliance. For nations who already meet the target, this reflects a doubling of spending, when many European nations already face trouble balancing their budgets.
 
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Scammel

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The DT/TM press conference is just the most surreal thing ever. I keep expecting a producer to walk on set and shut the whole thing down, claiming the joke had gotten out of hand.

Novicock poisoning, two senior cabinet official resignations and now this, one has to feel somewhat sorry for British Prime Minister Theresa May

You know what? I actually think this visit may have been something a coup for May. Davis and Johnson now seem like names from a decade ago, and Trump stole the spotlight by repeatedly putting his foot in it and picking a fight with one of the vociferous newspapers around. The man's a lot funnier to watch when he isn't really your problem, and many Tory rebels who philosophically hitched their boat to his now have egg on their faces.

Also, it's a very small thing, but good on TM for wearing her Diabetes patch so publicly.
 
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Remix2

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I know this isn’t about us politics but can we all agree that the Troy party is the biggest clown show right now.

First they blew a huge lead over the Labour Party and fail to get majority to form a government, they can’t get a brexit deal that anyone like, and now two people worth a damn in the government left and more is most likely to come.
 
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Zora

perpetually tired
How much y'all willing to bet the GOP does nothing of note with respect to Helenski?

Like, even if in some narrow sense Trump didn't commit collusion, he handed Russia a free pass on interfering with elections all but inviting a similar shitshow. At the very least, Trump isn't acting in good faith. And after today that's the charitable interpretation. The more realistic interpretation is, yes, Trump has illegal reasons (e.g. money laundering business dealings) for aligning himself with the Kremlin that is absolutely taking precedence over doing his job.
 

WishIhadaManafi5

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before.
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How much y'all willing to bet the GOP does nothing of note with respect to Helenski?

Like, even if in some narrow sense Trump didn't commit collusion, he handed Russia a free pass on interfering with elections all but inviting a similar shitshow. At the very least, Trump isn't acting in good faith. And after today that's the charitable interpretation. The more realistic interpretation is, yes, Trump has illegal reasons (e.g. money laundering business dealings) for aligning himself with the Kremlin that is absolutely taking precedence over doing his job.
A ton. Those sob's never do much but blow hot air. They want this. They want to remake the US into a government that they control/rule over.
 

Gamzee Makara

Flirtin' With Disaster
A ton. Those sob's never do much but blow hot air. They want this. They want to remake the US into a government that they control/rule over.
The Virginian School of Economics in a nutshell, as authored by James Buchanan(Not the former President).

According to these people,


1. Taxes are theft. Dodge them at all costs.

2. The more property you own=the more rights you have.

3. Dependents, employees and those who benefit from government programs are parasites, and should neither be compensated nor safety netted:Instead, they should live and work for property owners in exchange for food, water, clothing and shelter(Slavery essentially), or be disposed of as a threat to acquisition of more property.

4. Convince people to do what you say and change things in your favor not with obvious race or gender hatred and rights redaction(though that is part of the endgame), but with paid-for, deliberate, methodical policy shifts, exploitation of existing systems, and skewed precedent quotations, which people find more reasonable and logical inherently than being accused of hatred, biases and favoritism.

5. Deny sciences that gets in the way of property acquisition while developing contingencies for said sciences inconveniencing property owners.

5. The Pinochet government is the favored model.

6. Shoot for a Constitutional Convention(Or an equivalent of such in a country) to rewrite the fundamental law of the land so that it is rewritten in clear favor of giving more rights to those who have more property, (the rich), and taking them away from the parasites(The oppressed, poor and needy).

And much more...

Messed up, ain't it?
 

Litleonid

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Words can't even describe how embarrassed I am to be an American. He went up there and outright said he believes Putin's word over the valid evidence produced by our own intelligence committees. He chose Russia over his own country, and nobody in DC is going to do a single thing about it. They'll voice their outrage all they want, but they won't do anything. Then again, there's not much they can do until they can legitimately prove he committed a crime, though I'd say treason and obstruction of justice are crimes.
 

Trainer Yusuf

VolcaniNO
Zora, it is Helsinki. It comes from Swedish helsing, which means neck, referring to rapids of the river there.

So... are we renaming this thread as Russian Politics?

Edit: Gist of Putin summit seems to be:
*Continuation of Obama-era military agreements in Syria against ISIS, ie. protecting Assad, containing Turkey, cutting a deal between Kurds and Assad etc.
*No agreement on Iran and Golan Heights.
*Russia wants information from US officials regarding US interfrence in Russian elections and Russian sphere of influence(ie. 2014 color revolution in Ukraine and 2018 color revolution in Armenia), starting with William Browder and Obama era Ambadassor to Russia Michael McFaul.
 
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