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U.S. Politics 2017: So much for the tolerant SPPf

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Polls' started by BigLutz, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. Litleonid

    Litleonid Well-Known Member

    Why....Just why does the US need a Space Force? Are other nations secretly building TIE Fighters, X-Wings, or a Death Star? Are our enemies gonna attack us from space? Are we gonna have a war in space? Are we gonna have martians invade? No.

    The sad thing is, we have far more important things that should be a priority like education and healthcare. This is one of my biggest issues with this administration. It prioritizes the wrong things.
     
  2. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Because at this point "Why can't we afford healthcare/education"have become irony. They literally don't want people to have healthcare/be educated, and the only solution is to get rid of people who don't support that.
     
  3. Pikachu52

    Pikachu52 Well-Known Member

    The US does currently have the Air Force Space Command, a unit within the Air Force that maintains Space capabilities and employs around 36,000 people. It's primary missions are:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Command

    And the idea of creating a Space Corps has bounced around Congress since 2017. Heck, Space force itself was first coined by Donald Rumsfeld in 2000.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/03/trump-space-force-nasa/555560/

    The US does have strategic interests in Space. The other five branches of the military are heavily reliant on communication navigation and other satellites. And China has developed anti-satellite weaponry. If war was to break out, these Satellites could easily become targets. And of course, the notion of space warfare is something that world and military leaders have taken seriously, going back to the cold war. Though such a thing is far from imminent.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_warfare
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/04/space-war/521910/

    However, a "space force" as sixth branch of the military is excessive. The Pentagon itself didn't ask for this and by all counts doesn't seem to want it. The force's role isn't going to be far beyond launching, operating and maintaining the US's satellite infrastructure. It may collect all space professionals in the US Government and place them under one roof. Maybe it takes over NASA. There won't be any active "Astronaut soldiers" or any type of "TIE Fighters, X-Wings" because the technology doesn't exist.

    The 1967 Outer Space Treaty bans States from placing weapons of mass destruction or nuclear weapons in orbit or on any celestial body, though it's silent on any other sort of weapon. As of now, no comprehensive treaty on the use of space weapons exists. There are attempts to create legal guides to war in space, though these incomplete and won't have any binding status under International or Domestic Law:

    https://theconversation.com/were-dr...ace-hopefully-well-never-need-to-use-it-86677

    But all of this aside, it's hard to take the "space force" seriously when Trump describes, at worst incoherently or at best like the narration to a bad star trek knockoff.

    Or perhaps this :

    And of course there’s the possibility Pence’s announcement was an expensive distraction form the Mueller investigation. I notice Donny’s back on his “17 angry Democrats” spiel again
     
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2018 at 2:40 PM
  4. Trainer Yusuf

    Trainer Yusuf VolcaniNO

    In addition to that, Star Wars idea was a Republican dream for a long time, and it would good justification to expand military budget and metal tariffs.

    Anyways, Turkish lira is continuing to melt, and Trump officially confirmed in his Twitter what we have suspected a long time ago, he is in a trade war with Turkey as well. Since Turkey doesn't actually have industrial scale steel(well, iron) and aluminium reserves, the new tariffs will wipe out Turkish economy, which currently focused on construction, vehicles and military. And since Pastor Brunson won't be given back it seems, actual sanctions on Turkey will likely be on the way in addition to penalties for Turkish banks for violating the Iranian embargo.

    This is of course a good thing, actually, as the only real opposition to Erdoğan is really the economy, so yeah.

    Edit: Meanwhile in the good news:
    https://twitter.com/LGBTMarriage/status/1027687919635578880
    Costa Rican Supreme Court approved gay marriage legalization. Now the legistation needs to be done.
     
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2018 at 4:03 PM
  5. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    It's a favor for George Lucas. He wants to remake Star Wars: A New Hope before he dies of money overdose
     
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  6. Trainer Yusuf

    Trainer Yusuf VolcaniNO

    Nightly update on Turkey:
    Conversion rate has roughly doubled from the start of the year to 7.22 liras=1 dollar.
    Last time this happened was the 2001 crisis, which brought in the AKP government and ended coalition governments, effectively ending the Kemalist era in the Turkey to get Turkey's support for Iraqi Kurds in the invasion of Iraq.
    Obviously this is a repeat of the last time, though this time around it is the AKP government who will be kicked out by the US to replaced by a government who will accept the Syrian Kurdistan and the Iranian Kurds in the inevitable invasion of Iran.
    It is a shame that it happened this didn't happen through the ballot, but alas. I hope this blatant regime change operation won't cause Turkey to become the first NATO country to enter a civil war or something silly like that.
     
  7. Scammel

    Scammel Well-Known Member

    Trump has infected politics across the pond, too. The leader of the UK Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was found to have laid a wreath to commemorate Black September terrorists who castrated and murdered Israeli athletes in the Munich Massacre.

    Depressingly par for the course with life-long contrarian and anti-Semite Corbyn, but the Trumpism comes into play when his press team openly lied about the occasion, directly contradicting Corbyn's own words from an article he wrote at the time: https://twitter.com/labourpress/status/1028765819554213889

    Screenshots from Corbyn's article: https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1028965479354957830/photo/1

    Edit: Netanyahu has now publicly condemned Corbyn for both the wreath-laying and for having hosted an event in Parliament predicated on the anti-Semitic comparison between Israel and the Nazis: https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1029046307481153542
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2018 at 6:37 PM
  8. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

  9. Scammel

    Scammel Well-Known Member

    This kind of casual anti-Semitic trope is all too easily gobbled up by certain elements of the left. The comparison between a heavily flawed democracy and the regime that attempted to exterminate its founding citizens is perverse and reserved almost uniquely for Israel.

    10th bullet under the 'Contemporary examples', bob: https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/press_release_document_antisemitism.pdf

    Edit: Jesus Christ, bob. I just noticed how old your article was - literally the first thing you did at the mention of Israel is dig out a three-year article to justify your crass Nazi comparison?
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2018 at 7:51 AM
  10. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Really the problem is honestly Israel's leadership, it's not a unique problem. It's all an argument about how much power influences prejudice of course, but Netanyahu seems more like the person who deep in corruption scandals wants someone to blame. Corbyn might not have the right methods, but I think his message here isn't wrong. https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1029075065550372864

    But I bring that up because he hasn't done much to disprove it since then. Especially if he wants to hop on the limp dick that's American Fascism where Nazi's come marching and the best response you can get is a non statement about how good people can be on both sides.
     

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