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U.S. Politics 2017: So much for the tolerant SPPf

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Polls' started by BigLutz, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. Bernie is leading in Iowa.

    Let's ****ing go.

    @ Sanders V Warren catfight:

    I mean, I'm kind of willing to give Warren the benefit of the doubt in the sense that body language and tone play a part in overall messaging too. It's plausible that while Bernie was discussing the difficulties of running as a woman against Trump, he could have come across like what he was actually saying was that a woman couldn't win. Though, the idea that Bernie straight up said a woman can't win, period, full stop - is a lie so ridiculous it baffles me how she thought she'd get anywhere with it.

    What's more upsetting about it is that it gives fire to all these douchebags that attempt to discredit social justice by attempting to broadly paint movements like feminism as whiny caricatures.
     
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  2. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Bernie pushed Warren to run in 2016 and ran when she wouldn't, and has been recorded decades ago saying how women can and should be president.

    Worst thing I can think of is Bernie talked about how Trump will use being a woman as a negative, and the "source" made things look as bad as possible. Though this has only helped Bernie and made Warren fall even further, because of how blatant this is.
     
  3. Auraninja

    Auraninja Gre-nin-ja!

    I just didn't want there to be a fight. I'm fine with either of them, honesty.

    I don't want separation within the Democratic party.

    If Warren did somehow get the nomination, I hope people would have learned their lesson and still vote for her despite not being the Bernie that they wanted.

    Like, say what you want about Hillary, but she was better than Trump and the two prominent third party candidates.
     
  4. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Bernie voters are way more reliable, with only 4% saying they'll not vote for someone else. To put in in perspective Buttigeg voters are three times that.

    To me the whole "Bernie or Bust" mentality is about enthusiasm more than electing. If someone else gets the nomination they'll vote, but they won't donate or volunteer, or do anything to help. It could turn into another 2016 where it's holding their nose and voting rather than pushing for a positive change.

    Plus there's already separation, the Establishment desperately does not want Bernie.
     
  5. Gamzee Makara

    Gamzee Makara Let people enjoy things...

    Too many Bernie of Bust Bernie Bros are threatening to vote Green because they are SUPPOSEDLY Independent, " and "free-thinking", and don't want "to vote for mainstream candidates of the establishment" and "Want integrity instead of private political organizations". and other culty chants like that.

    Trump is not the only cult leader, I see.
     
  6. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    I always hear that but the numbers show way more of his supporters go Dem than Hillary supporters in 08 who did the same. Especially when 2016 was the race with the least popular candidates ever.
     
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  7. Gamzee Makara

    Gamzee Makara Let people enjoy things...

    I like Bernie. I do not like his fanboiz who worship, preach, attempt to proselytize everyone and believe everything he says and treat him like a savior like how MAGAs do with Trump.
     
  8. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    A lot of that is overblown. Kind of like how they push the Bernie Bros thing when he has the most diverse support among minorities and women.
     
  9. Admittedly, the bernie or bust people are a problem, but mainly because they're so vocal they make it look like the bulk of Sanders supporters are fussy cry babies. It's the same thing with "Bernie bros" I mean, are they real? Sure, there definitely is a small faction within Bernie's support that isn't particularly pro woman - otherwise Sanders wouldn't have to come out and publicly condemn them himself last election.

    Ignore them. They get too much attention and focusing on them hurts by giving them more clout than they actually have.
     
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  10. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    NYT has decided to break trend and back both Warren and Klobuchar for President, because they're that desperate to avoid a Bernie nomination.
     
  11. Gamzee Makara

    Gamzee Makara Let people enjoy things...

    Who owns the NYT again?
     
  12. Auraninja

    Auraninja Gre-nin-ja!

    I don't dislike Hillary, but I wish she wouldn't badmouth Bernie.

    It's counterproductive and reminds me of one of the reasons she didn't win.
     
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  13. I dislike her.

    She's petty and bitter. But let her **** talk, Bernie will get more donations.
     
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  14. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Oh, look. A comment."

    She kind of just said today nobody likes Bernie.
     
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  15. Auraninja

    Auraninja Gre-nin-ja!

    Which clearly isn't true, and is counterproductive to the race against Trump.
     
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  16. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Hillary Clinton is looking everywhere but the mirror for why 2016 went the way it did. There's a few examples where she blames Bernie for the loss, when none of it is really true at all.
     
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  17. Auraninja

    Auraninja Gre-nin-ja!

    Just realized that I forgot a not in my previous statement. I wanted to say that I wished Hillary would NOT badmouth Bernie, but I achieved the opposite effect.

    But yeah, we don't need to bring division in the Democratic party, at least not more than there already is.
     
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  18. Gamzee Makara

    Gamzee Makara Let people enjoy things...

    The question is "Who should the Democrats unite behind?"

    The answer is dissolution of political parties. Make everybody fend for themselves. Break up a few money trains in the process.
     
  19. So, I find myself a bit at odds with a lot of the big progressive voices on youtube saying that the anger over Sanders tweeting out Joe Rogan's endorsement of him.

    I'm upset because it's so dismissive and malicious. It's being called "fake outrage" and "off the rails SJW politics" or "woke cancel culture" or whatever, and it just wasn't anything like that. People had a right to be upset when Sanders flaunted the endorsement, given that Joe Rogan is a transphobic bigot.

    The issue is that homophobia and transphobia are more socially acceptable than racism, because you know Sanders would have rejected the endorsements of say, Tucker Carlson for example. And this whole argument that Joe Rogan has this amazing platform that's too good to pass up? Bernie was leading before his endorsement, and I thought principle was why everyone liked Bernie to begin with?

    But I've noticed this about the progressive wing for some time. They got hardcore in bed with people that use social justice as a pejorative and turned the phrase "identity politics" as a slur. Without "identity politics" we wouldn't have civil rights at all, they would do good to remember that. Politics are formed around identity not for arbitrary or shallow reasons but because society forces groups of marginalized people to band together.

    I would be more understanding if they were only making the argument from practicality, but they're being straight up hateful and mean spirited about it.
     
  20. WishIhadaManafi5

    WishIhadaManafi5 Don't mess with the bull. You'll get the horns. Staff Member Moderator

    I really wonder when people like him endorse progressive candidates. My bs detector goes off, thinking that they're doing this to scare people away from voting for them.
     
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