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U.S. Politics: The Biggest Trade in WNBA History

chalkus

Well-Known Member
Why is the scheduling of the debates even an issue, may I ask? Everyone knows that Ms. Clinton will win the nomination anyway, I know it, you know it, the networks know it, and nobody wants to watch the debate, so the networks don't want to waste a time slot.
Are ****ing kidding me? If everyone knows it, why is the DNC actively shcheduling the debates on Saturdays when no one watches? Do you think that happens by accident, despite being unprecedented? Have you even been paying attention to what the DNC is doing? The networks don't want to waste a time slot? That's nonsense. Presidential debates always do well in terms of viewers. Bernie Sanders has cut Hilary Clinton's national poll numbers in half, exceeded 2008 Obama in terms of fundraising, and has won several prominent union endorsements. No one is saying he isn't a long shot, but I can't stand people who don't care at all about completely undermining the democratic process so Hilary can get in the white house. What in the world do you think the primaries are even for? They're purpose is to vet out the candidates, pit them against eachother, so the one with the best ideas comes out on top in the end. I expected better from you, honestly.
I think this is a pretty effective response.


Well, you're certainly a Hillary detractor.
Yes, and? Why should Hillary be above reproach? Why should any politician be above reproach, regardless of which party they support?


See how easy it is to answer a yes/no question?
Because it is a ridiculous question. I have never said I support Trump in any way, shape or fashion and have continuously rebuked him, yet you continue to accuse me of being a Trump supporter time and time again. Even with this response, I wouldn't be surprised if you accuse me of supporting him again by the next page.



She has been accused of sl*t shaming a rape victim, commody trading of cattle futures, Whitewater, Travelgate, Troopergate, Pardongate, Chinagate, Filegate, having a Swedish slush fund, overcharging for speech fees, looting the White House, stalking, scaring, and threatening Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones, being a ‘Muslim Brotherhood princess’, having something to do with Saul Alinsky's illegal activities, ordering Vince Foster murdered, doing something illegal with her email account, and being personally responsible for the Benghazi mess.
You specifically accused me of spreading falsities about Hillary Clinton, yet here you list a bunch of accusations that I never made. If you don't have a logical response to what I say, then say so, but to continue to spread falsities about me I think has well gotten past old by this point.

Baba Yaga, I have nothing against Bernie, but he'll never be the nominee.

The Republicans have turned the word "socialist" into political poison due to propaganda (ignoring Nelson Mandela and Golda Meir, it seems) and these days, most voters think that supporting an admitted socialist has the same moral integrity as supporting cannibalism.

He won't be the nominee, trust me.
I find this to be very disturbing. Regardless of how electable you think Bernie is, he, as well as the people, deserve an honest, free and unbiased election. For a cabal of Hillary supporters to game the system in her favor because they think she is more electable is shameful and anti-American. Let the people decide who they want, not Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the rest of the Hillary feet washing brigade. How can you call yourself a democrat, how can you believe in the democratic system and yet even think what you said is a good thing.

What if the general election was the same way, with a group of individuals in a back room deciding who should win based on how presidential they think that person is? Would you support that, especially if your candidate is the one who gets the short end of the stick?

1. She Aligns Herself With Obama’s Current Policies

Ms. Clinton maintains her individuality when it comes to her candidacy for president. However she is still in line with Obama’s current policies on health care, foreign affairs, the environment, and gun control. If Clinton wants to win the White House, maintaining an alliance with Obama is key. Clinton has only offered improvements on his current policies rather than combating them like the Republican candidates.
You praise her for her individuality yet also say she agrees with everything Obama says. Those statements are contradictory. Also, I find it funny that you want her to be aligned with Obama's policies yet had the DNC done in 2008 what you praise them for doing to the debates this election cycle, Obama would never have been president. Remember, Hillary was supposed to run away with the election back then as well before Obama toppled her. Hence the reaction by the DNC this time around to ensure she wins.

2. The Media is Behind Her

Republicans say this is a bad thing, but it's Freedom of the Press. And despite the alleged scandals surrounding Hillary Clinton, most of the media (unless you’re Fox News) is behind her and the way she presents herself. In fact, most media outlets and polls continue to claim she has won every debate so far. Overall, Clinton continues to shine and I can’t see the media momentum slowing down any time soon.
Another disturbing comment. The press is supposed to be unbiased and impartial yet here you are praising them for being on Hillary's side. If that's the case, how can you trust anything they say? How can anyone trust what they say. And yet you think this is good? So far you think having the DNC game the primary process for their chosen one to win is good, as well as the media being biased towards certain people. If that's your dream country, I don't want to live there.

5. Social Movement Says “It’s time”

We are once again living in a world where equal rights and pay is front and center for women, so why not finally have the first female President of the United States? Abortion rights are an issue, which Republicans (who claim they want smaller government but have no problem telling a woman she must carry a child to term) on the pro-life warpath again. If anything, the current social movements say it’s time for a woman to take the office and in a world that is primarily dominated by men, Clinton could make a radical change to the political landscape in Washington.
The best person for the job should win. Saying that a woman should win because it's time for one to win is in itself sexist.

And equal pay is just empty rhetoric used by the Dems. They keep talking about it, but no Democrat in any state or county offers equal pay across the board for anything. Even in the Obama White House, despite what he says, men are being paid more than women.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/male-female-pay-gap-remains-entrenched-at-white-house/2014/07/01/dbc6c088-0155-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html

And Hillary has no ground to stand on. She was in the White House for 8 years as the first lady and 4 as the Secretary of State, not to mention 8 years as a senator. Yet in all that time, with al the influence she has, this equal pay she speaks of has never been achieved at any level whatsoever. I can bet 4 years from now, if she is president like I suspect she will be, she'll still be talking about equal pay.
 

Mordent99

Banned
Chalkus, I have had enough of arguing with you. HERE is why I support Ms. Clinton:

I am pro gun control. Ms. Clinton is pro gun control. Republicans oppose gun control.

I oppose the death penalty; I think it is uncivilized and barbaric, used as a means of revenge, not justice. Ms. Clinton opposes the death penalty, Republican support it.

I support raising the minimum wage. Ms. Clinton supports raising the minimum wage. Republicans oppose it.

I support the ACA. Ms. Clinton supports the ACA. Republicans have vowed to repeal it, and have wasted millions trying to.

I support civil rights. The current Democrat Party supports civil rights. Republican politicians have made several racist comments since 2008 (and if you challenge that, I have a collection of links to prove it). And btw, the Dixiecrats are dead and in their graves, and I am no more ashamed to be a Democrat because of them than I am to be Italian, a form dictatorship.

I support a woman's right to choose. Democrats in general are pro choice. Republican politicians have supported outlawing abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

I've held these beliefs most of my life. And I find the current Republicans unlikeable, repugnant, and utterly foolish. And in some cases, downright mean. Their media outlets tell outright lies, and start slanderous and untrue rumors.

THAT, my friend, in a nutshell, is why I support Ms. Clinton, and plan to vote for her, and why I cannot, in clear conscience, support the opposing side.

As for Hillary "never winning an opposed election", I can name several other Presidents who were the same. (Like Abraham Lincoln, for instance.)
 

Navin

MALDREAD
Chalkus, I have had enough of arguing with you. HERE is why I support Ms. Clinton:

I am pro gun control. Ms. Clinton is pro gun control. Republicans oppose gun control.

I oppose the death penalty; I think it is uncivilized and barbaric, used as a means of revenge, not justice. Ms. Clinton opposes the death penalty, Republican support it.

I support raising the minimum wage. Ms. Clinton supports raising the minimum wage. Republicans oppose it.

I support the ACA. Ms. Clinton supports the ACA. Republicans have vowed to repeal it, and have wasted millions trying to.

I support civil rights. The current Democrat Party supports civil rights. Republican politicians have made several racist comments since 2008 (and if you challenge that, I have a collection of links to prove it). And btw, the Dixiecrats are dead and in their graves, and I am no more ashamed to be a Democrat because of them than I am to be Italian, a form dictatorship.

I support a woman's right to choose. Democrats in general are pro choice. Republican politicians have supported outlawing abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

I've held these beliefs most of my life. And I find the current Republicans unlikeable, repugnant, and utterly foolish. And in some cases, downright mean. Their media outlets tell outright lies, and start slanderous and untrue rumors.

THAT, my friend, in a nutshell, is why I support Ms. Clinton, and plan to vote for her, and why I cannot, in clear conscience, support the opposing side.

As for Hillary "never winning an opposed election", I can name several other Presidents who were the same. (Like Abraham Lincoln, for instance.)


So makes you want to support Clinton over Sanders, since he believes in all of those policies, even before Hillary evolved her own views to accept them.
 

Mordent99

Banned
So makes you want to support Clinton over Sanders, since he believes in all of those policies, even before Hillary evolved her own views to accept them.

Because I'm realistic, and know that with her numbers, she's far more electable, because she's more popular. Overwhelmingly. I have no idea why Sanders' supporters are so upset. The Democrats should be cooperating, not fighting amongst themselves like the GOP is doing.
 

Mordent99

Banned
Baba Yaga, I have nothing against Bernie, but he'll never be the nominee.

The Republicans have turned the word "socialist" into political poison due to propaganda (ignoring Nelson Mandela and Golda Meir, it seems) and these days, most voters think that supporting an admitted socialist has the same moral integrity as supporting cannibalism.

He won't be the nominee, trust me.

As for why I think Hillary will be President? (Disclaimer: While I support Hillary Clinton as a candidate, the list below does not, by any means, indicate I support the methods shown on said list. I a stating actual facts about the election and the past ones, along with credible analysis given by a variety of pundits.)

I didn't say you did. I am saying please don't pretend that what the DNC is doing isn't a big deal because "Hilary will win anyway" That kind of thinking is defeatist, authoritarian, and leads to self fulfilling prophecy. You've got your facts wrong, anyway.

Socialism isn't as dirty of a word as it used to be. 47% of Americans have a positive view of socialism according to a new gallup poll.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18106/americans-socialism-bernie-sanders

Sanders is also capable of winning against any Republican candidate and dominates trump in a recent Quinnipac university poll by 13 points.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...blockbuster-poll-sanders-destroys-trump-by-13

Because I'm realistic, and know that with her numbers, she's far more electable, because she's more popular. Overwhelmingly. I have no idea why Sanders' supporters are so upset. The Democrats should be cooperating, not fighting amongst themselves like the GOP is doing.

This isn't a matter about political realism, as much as Hilary supporters try and make it out to be. It's about having the political courage to choose a candidate that's best suited to lead the country. If you want to vote for Hilary based on her own merits as a candidate, that's fantastic. I respectfully disagree, but that's your choice. More power to you. If you agree with Sanders more on the issues but are only voting for Hilary because she has a better chance of beating the Republicans, you're not being a pragmatist you're being a coward. I bet my left hand that the latter group of people describes most self professed liberals, meaning that if everyone that was voting for Hilary just to keep a Republican out of the white house voted the way they actually felt, Bernie wouldn't be the underdog that he is now. At least conservatives have the balls to vote for candidates they actually like.

By the way, Bernie Sanders just had a really awesome 6 part interview with the rapper Killer Mike. Personally, I think it's the best he's given yet. Plus, you get to hear him swear. I love hearing Sanders swear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCnrQZbqIQU

That's what their go to excuse is because it works and journalists are too scared to actually do anything about it. Any attack from a journalist tends to end up with them out of a job now

There's a lot of truth to this. Journalists have have been pretty much neutered in the U.S.
 
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Mordent99

Banned
No, Baba, this is not about courage, this is about preventing the Republicans from getting the White House at all cost. They'd bring Armageddon to this country, politically, economically, and socially. We need a surefire winner, not "someone you like".

I do not like hearing Mr. Sanders swear. What would happen if he cussed out Benjamin Netanyahu while a guest in Tel Aviv, or worse, to someone like Putin who wasn't our ally. We can't have a President who would so carelessly create international incidents. (That's why I liked Bill Clinton so much, HE could talk to the most hated world leaders and still get results. He was even able to convince Kim Jong-Il to release two American journalists after talking to him for an hour.) I can tolerate actors in movies using the F-word, Baba, but this is not a movie; it's a Presidential Election where the outcome decides who's finger is on the proverbial Button.

And btw, I don't even know who Killer Mike is.

I bet my left hand that the latter group of people describes most self professed liberals, meaning that if everyone that was voting for Hilary just to keep a Republican out of the white house voted the way they actually felt, Bernie wouldn't be the underdog that he is now.

I'd bet both hands you're right. I never said he wasn't qualified or that I'd object to him being President. I just believe Hillary is supported more.

And nothing would give me more joy right now than to see the Republicans suffer a defeat worse than Barry Goldwater, given all they've done.
 

SlowPokeBroKing

Future Gym Leader
No, Baba, this is not about courage, this is about preventing the Republicans from getting the White House at all cost. They'd bring Armageddon to this country, politically, economically, and socially. We need a surefire winner, not "someone you like".

I do not like hearing Mr. Sanders swear. What would happen if he cussed out Benjamin Netanyahu while a guest in Tel Aviv, or worse, to someone like Putin who wasn't our ally. We can't have a President who would so carelessly create international incidents. (That's why I liked Bill Clinton so much, HE could talk to the most hated world leaders and still get results. He was even able to convince Kim Jong-Il to release two American journalists after talking to him for an hour.) I can tolerate actors in movies using the F-word, Baba, but this is not a movie; it's a Presidential Election where the outcome decides who's finger is on the proverbial Button.

And btw, I don't even know who Killer Mike is.



I'd bet both hands you're right. I never said he wasn't qualified or that I'd object to him being President. I just believe Hillary is supported more.

And nothing would give me more joy right now than to see the Republicans suffer a defeat worse than Barry Goldwater, given all they've done.

When did Bernie swear outside of one usage of "damn" during the debate?
 

Mordent99

Banned
So let's summarize just to make sure I understand you correctly, Mordent. Despite the fact that Sanders consistently polls better than every single Republican candidate, has raised more money than nearly all of them combined, and is a consistently more progressive candidate on the issues, you'd rather throw your hat in with Hilary because it's safe? Amazing. The fact that you also believe that a candidate that swears isn't fit for the presidency and is less apt to have access to things like nucleur codes is embarassingly stupid.
 
Enjoy the increased taxation with Sanders.
 

Mordent99

Banned
Baba Yaga, want me to be honest?

First of all, "being safe" when a Presidential election is the issue is what the sane person does. This is not a game.

Two, I don't like Sanders. And his supporters are starting to remind me of Ralph Nader's supporters.

Three, Hilary just set a record in donations. And I've stuck with her a long time.

Four, what KPM just said.
 
Enjoy the increased taxation with Sanders.

Why do you insist on perpetuating the lie that raising taxes on the exorbitantly wealthy is going to raise taxes on everyone? It's just that progressives like myself understand so very little about economics, I was hoping you would be kind enough to educate me.

And a big thanks to Maedar for saying essentially nothing like usual.
 
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I don't expect a socialist to know much when it comes to economics. If you honestly think Bernie Sanders can fund 18-20 trillion dollars worth of policies (current estimates) by taxing the wealthy alone then you have a screw loose. Sorry if I don't subscribe to the Bernie Sanders way of thinking. Also, how am I Maedar? I often respond with factual information and substance in my posts for one thing. Second, i'm not a liberal. If you're going to insult someone little girl, try to do a better job at it.
 
I don't expect a socialist to know much when it comes to economics. If you honestly think Bernie Sanders can fund 18-20 trillion dollars worth of policies (current estimates) by taxing the wealthy alone then you have a screw loose. Sorry if I don't subscribe to the Bernie Sanders way of thinking. Also, how am I Maedar? I often respond with factual information and substance in my posts for one thing. Second, i'm not a liberal. If you're going to insult someone little girl, try to do a better job at it.

I was referring to Mordent99, not you. Though, your post was really just as poorly thought out. I also know the exact article you're talking about that claims Sanders proposals would cost 18 trillion, it's a piece written by the Wallstreet Journal which common sense would tell you is extremely biased considering Wallstreet is the institution his rhetoric is directly aimed toward. The piece has been debunked multiple times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-bankrupt-america-to-the-tune-of-18-trillion/

http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-wsj-18-trillion

http://usuncut.com/politics/top-economist-says-bernies-plan-will-actually-save-the-us-5-trillion/

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr...ic-policy-plan-doesnt-really-cost-18-trillion

And in fact the the economist that the Wallstreet journal cited has came out and said that they made false conclusions from his work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-friedman/the-wall-street-journal-k_b_8143062.html

Thanks for playing.
 
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I was referring to Mordent99, not you. Though, your post was really just as poorly thought out. I also know the exact article you're talking about that claims Sanders proposals would cost 18 trillion, it's a piece written by the Wallstreet Journal which common sense would tell you is extremely biased considering Wallstreet is the institution his rhetoric is directly aimed toward. The piece has been debunked multiple times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-bankrupt-america-to-the-tune-of-18-trillion/

http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-wsj-18-trillion

http://usuncut.com/politics/top-economist-says-bernies-plan-will-actually-save-the-us-5-trillion/

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr...ic-policy-plan-doesnt-really-cost-18-trillion

And in fact the the economist that the Wallstreet journal cited has came out and said that they made false conclusions from his work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-friedman/the-wall-street-journal-k_b_8143062.html

Thanks for playing.
I was actually reading two articles on Westlaw on the subject concerning tax law. Thanks for playing.
 

SlowPokeBroKing

Future Gym Leader
I'd rather pay more taxes and have better sh*t and a better country than a dogsh*t president leading with their wallet or their Bible before the needs of the people.
 
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