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U.S. Politics: The Biggest Trade in WNBA History

Vernikova

Champion
What is the difference between social liberalism and social democracy
Social liberalism's defintion is relative to every culture.

Social democracy is just the government controlling the economy more and helping poor people so there's greater wealth equality. This is usually if the form of greater social safety nets through higher taxes. Its criticisms range from not doing enough to tackle the issues created by capitalism because it works within the capitalist framework to its unable to handle high tax burdens in situations of decreasing taxable individuals to poor immigrants.
 

AuraChannelerChris

Easygoing Luxray.
Fox News does a sudden 180 regarding how the COVID vaccine is important...


...to recover from this:


Lives are priceless, but they are worthless against the all powerful $1.

Then again, Fox was always stupidly weird:


In other news, Twitter is starting to get enough of MTG that it has banned, uh, "canceled" her account for 12 hours.

 
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bobjr

You ask too many questions
Staff member
Moderator
It took Trump to call to overthrow the government, and Alex Jones to come up and harass the Twitter CEO to his face to get banned. They won't pull the trigger unless they really have to.

Nick Fuentes finally got banned after not even hiding his language.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
It really boggles my mind how anyone can defend the Republicans at this point. It's blatantly obvious that they don't care about anyone but wealthy elites (and old, white male Christian wealthy elites at that), between their unashamed support for radical right wing extremists, their push to distrust medical professionals and not get vaccinated (and surprise, surprise, they only 180'd when it hurt the economy for the 1%ers), and their attempts to create a 2nd Jim Crow era in corrupt voting laws (not to mention, that they vehemently struck down the For the People Act which included voting reform measures that would actually improve elections such as restrictions on money in politics, gerrymandering, and voter intimidation). I honestly don't know how the Republicans can possibly convince people to re-elect them in 2022 and beyond, there is no floor when it comes to the depths that they would stoop to.
 

bobjr

You ask too many questions
Staff member
Moderator
There’s a reason a few states are pushing for “we can overturn the election legally if we want” bills.
 

bobjr

You ask too many questions
Staff member
Moderator
Also they really wanted to do it last election with claims of X amount of illegal votes, but it was always GOP votes the 5 times they found one. So they just decided to bypass the process.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
That's the thing; there's no justification. They just are thirsty for power and take advantage of their own stupid base.

Yes I know, but how long can they really keep up the charade? It's getting more and more blatant each day to the point where I can't even see the dumbest person on Earth falling for this schtick.
 

Vernikova

Champion
As we have known for a while, the 2020 polls were off. Now we know that they were significantly off at all federal levels and the gubernatorial level:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6a9838-e7df-11eb-ba5d-55d3b5ffcaf1_story.html

Public opinion polls in the 2020 presidential election suffered from errors of “unusual magnitude,” the highest in 40 years for surveys estimating the national popular vote and in at least 20 years for state-level polls, according to a study conducted by the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR).

The AAPOR task force examined 2,858 polls, including 529 national presidential race polls and 1,572 state-level presidential polls. They found that the surveys overstated the margin between President Biden and former president Donald Trump by 3.9 points in the national popular vote and 4.3 percentage points in state polls.

Polls understated the support for Trump in nearly every state and by an average of 3.3 percentage points overall. Polls in Senate and gubernatorial races suffered from the same problem.

“There was a systematic error that was found in terms of the overstatement for Democratic support across the board,” said Josh Clinton, a Vanderbilt University political science professor who chaired the 19-member task force. “It didn’t matter what type of poll you were doing, whether you’re interviewing by phone or Internet or whatever. And it didn’t matter what type of race, whether President Trump was on the ballot or was not on the ballot.”

The polls did a better job of estimating the average support for Biden, with a few exceptions. In general, support for Biden in the polls was 1 percentage point higher than his actual vote.

An AAPOR task force conducted a similar examination after the 2016 election. Then, national polls generally accurately predicted the size of Hillary Clinton’s popular vote victory over Trump, but state polls proved more problematic, causing many analysts at the time to predict wrongly that Clinton also would win an electoral college majority.

In the new study, task force members were able to rule out a series of reasons that might have caused the 2020 polls to show a bigger margin for Biden over Trump than the actual results. That included some of the problems that affected polling in 2016, such as the failure in that year to account for levels of education in the samples of voters.

But the task force members were not able to reach definitive conclusions on exactly what caused the problems in the most recent election polls and therefore how to correct their methodology ahead of the next elections. “Identifying conclusively why polls overstated the Democratic-Republican margin relative to the certified vote appears to be impossible with the available data,” the report states.

Polling in senatorial and gubernatorial races showed a similar pattern, overstating the margin for Democratic candidates versus their Republican opponents. When state-level presidential polls were removed from the sample, the error level was even higher. For example, polling pointed to possible Democratic gains in House races. Instead, Republicans gained seats.

National presidential polls were accurate in one respect, which was in pointing to the popular vote winner. Of 66 such polls taken in the last two weeks of the campaign, all showed Biden ahead of Trump. “The performance of senatorial polls was notably worse,” the report notes, with just 66 percent correctly identifying the winning candidate.

Josh Clinton, the task force chairman, said the group ruled out some possible reasons the polls were not as accurate as hoped. For example, the proposition that some Trump voters lied to pollsters about how they would vote doesn’t hold up because the error margin was larger for Republicans in Senate and gubernatorial races.

The task force examined and ruled out sources of error in 2016 polls as the cause of problems in 2020. In 2016, late-deciding voters broke heavily for Trump. In 2020, there were far fewer such voters, with most voters generally locked in on their choice well before Election Day and with many casting ballots in advance, either by mail or in person.

Another factor that contributed to problems in 2016 was that many polls did not weight their samples based on education levels, a relatively new fault line in voting behavior. The 2016 election saw clear differences in vote preferences among White voters with college degrees, who generally favored Clinton, versus those without, who generally favored Trump. By 2020, most polls did weight their samples by levels of education.

Nor was there evidence that the polls were mistaken in their assumption of the composition of the electorate. No group or groups were systematically underrepresented or overrepresented in the pre-election polls, the report said.

The task force examined other possible causes for error, such as whether supporters of Trump and Biden told pollsters how they would vote but ultimately did not vote or whether polls included too many people who voted early (a group that favored Biden) and too few who voted on Election Day (a group that favored Trump). In neither case was that shown to be a problem.

One possible explanation is that Republicans who responded to surveys voted differently than Republicans who choose not to respond to pollsters. The task force said this was a reasonable assumption, given declining trust in institutions generally and Trump’s repeated characterizations of most polls by mainstream news organizations as fake or faulty.

“That the polls overstated Biden’s support more in Whiter, more rural, and less densely populated states is suggestive (but not conclusive) that the polling error resulted from too few Trump supporters responding to polls,” the report states. “A larger polling error was found in states with more Trump supporters.”

The report points to the role of new voters in 2020 as one possible cause of the errors. There were 22 million more votes certified in 2020 than in 2016, enough in some states to account for the error rate in the polls. But the report said that the available data is not sufficient to draw conclusions about whether these new voters were the main source of polling errors.

The report emphasizes that though often quite accurate, polls are not as precise as sometimes assumed and therefore given to misinterpretation, especially in the most competitive races. “Most pre-election polls lack the precision necessary to predict the outcome of semi-close contests,” the report states. “Despite the desire to use polls to determine results in a close race, the precision of polls is often far less than the precision that is assumed by poll consumers.”

The report offers a cautionary note about the reliability of pre-election polls in the upcoming elections, stating, “It is unclear whether the problems polls faced in 2020 will persist in 2022 or 2024, and what happens in 2022 may be uninformative for knowing if there are longer-term issues.”

Clinton pointed to the Trump factor in the context of future elections and polls. “It’s possible that if President Trump is no longer on the ticket or if it’s a midterm election where we know that the electorate differs in the presidential election, that the issue will kind of self-resolve itself,” he said.

He said that polling in 2018 was generally better than in 2016, which led some pollsters to believe the problems had been resolved. Then came 2020, and the problems reemerged. That has left a high degree of uncertainty as to whether the problem is mostly related to whether Trump is on the ballot or whether there are deeper problems affecting polls.

Clinton said that, if polls in 2022 are not particularly accurate, that would be a sign of a persistent shift in pollsters’ ability to reach particular groups of voters. “But if the polls do well in 2022, then we don’t know if the issue is solved,” he added. “Or whether it’s just a phenomenon that’s unique to presidential elections with particular candidates who are making appeals about ‘Don’t trust the news, don’t trust the polls’ that kind of results in taking polls becoming a political act.”
 

WishIhadaManafi5

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before.
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Poke Trainer J

Well-Known Member
Probably not the best place to ask this but might as well. So about the Delta variant for COVID-19. I assume wearing a face mask and 6 feet social distance isn't enough to combat this variant If a person isn't completely vaccinated? If someone is fully vaccinated then I assume they don't have to wear a face mask and 6 feet social distance unless they've taken a booster shot to help combat the Delta variant. Say another COVID-19 variant pops up after Delta and the process keeps going. What kind of side effect would these booster shots have on people who are fully vaccinated? With the Flu being a case study for this scenario I assume that the booster shots won't have any abnormal side effects other than boosting the persons' immune system. Not sure about other common diseases that I could compare this to.

I've been hearing rumors of fully vaccinated people who've contracted the Delta variant whether it be from people who aren't fully vaccinated or those that are though it seems as though most of the cause for the rise of hospitalizations and deaths stem mainly from those who aren't fully vaccinated though that statistic seems to be changing rapidly. Scaring people into getting vaccinated by going door to door through each neighborhood is a terrible idea IMO because it shows that the people who are pushing this are only in it for themselves rather than those whom they should be looking after. If you were a professional doctor or a nurse with an actual degree that works at a medical center or a hospital you wouldn't mistreat your patients to where they have a hard time trusting you right?
 

Poke Trainer J

Well-Known Member
I actually heard about this. That people are knocking on people’s door attempting to get them vaccinated. This actually happened to me once while I was in the middle of being tutored and it’s was pretty awkward ngl. I do agree though knocking on people’s door seems a bit…excessive. I wonder how many of them actually managed to convince people.
Worst case scenario being SWAT teams raiding houses while pinning down people who aren't vaccinated by forcing the jab on their arms with helicopters and police sirens outside the neighborhood as If an actual homicide took place. Imagine being dragged into a FEMA camp by force for still resisting to take the shot. Not only is that unethical but a human rights violation as well. The 1st Amendment isn't about white privilege, conservatism, or Republicans when it affects EVERY American regardless of political affiliation.
 
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