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U.S. Politics 2021: Ignore the Neighslayers

AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."
All the Republican states have chosen to get taken down by natural selection or something. It's a hellhole in Missouri.
 

bobjr

You ask too many questions
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Turns out when people don't reach herd immunity you have dangerous variants that pop up that can be a danger to everyone, which is why anyone who doesn't have an explicitly good reason to get vaccinated is making a morally wrong choice.

Also that's less than 1% of deaths. 99% of people dying are unvaccinated.
 

Sham

Code Lyoko was ahead of it's time
Turns out when people don't reach herd immunity you have dangerous variants that pop up that can be a danger to everyone, which is why anyone who doesn't have an explicitly good reason to get vaccinated is making a morally wrong choice.

Also that's less than 1% of deaths. 99% of people dying are unvaccinated.
Actually most viruses mutate and because the covid vaccine doesn't actually stop you from getting covid and instead prevents you from possibly dying and being hospitalized this still could of happened. The flu has a bunch of variants.
 
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bobjr

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It also makes it much harder to spread the vaccine, and if more people got the vaccine less people would be getting Covid because it wouldn't be around as much, so a combination of less deadly and harder to spread means that not getting the vaccine without a very good reason is at best cowardly and worst just openly morally wrong.
 

Gamzee Makara

Flirtin' With Disaster
Actually most viruses mutate and because the covid vaccine doesn't actually stop you from getting covid and instead prevents you from possibly dying and being hospitalized this still could of happened. The flu has a bunch of variants.
"It's just the flu"

Is this what you're setting up?
 

Sham

Code Lyoko was ahead of it's time
It also makes it much harder to spread the vaccine, and if more people got the vaccine less people would be getting Covid because it wouldn't be around as much, so a combination of less deadly and harder to spread means that not getting the vaccine without a very good reason is at best cowardly and worst just openly morally wrong.
Yeah not arguing on if people should get the vaccine on or not but to say that herd immunity would of stopped a variant is just factually inept.

"It's just the flu"

Is this what you're setting up?
Yeah I'm not going to immerse with you if you're trying to purposely corkscrew my words because you have no argument. Polio is also a disease that has a vaccine with variants would you have preferred me to use that example? Measles? Chicken Pox? Sounds like you're more mad at science than me.
 

bobjr

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Well yeah, in the other thread you put on some dumb "freedom of health" thing.

I'm not saying it would stop it, that the effects would be much less bad if everyone got vaccinated. Look at how the worst affected states by the Delta strain are the ones with the least amount of people vaccinated. Just because there's still a small chance something bad would happen doesn't mean you shouldn't do a good thing overall.
 

Sham

Code Lyoko was ahead of it's time
Well yeah, in the other thread you put on some dumb "freedom of health" thing.

I'm not saying it would stop it, that the effects would be much less bad if everyone got vaccinated. Look at how the worst affected states by the Delta strain are the ones with the least amount of people vaccinated. Just because there's still a small chance something bad would happen doesn't mean you shouldn't do a good thing overall.
I didn't say freedom of health. I said that people are entitled to do whatever they want with their bodies and I'm not encouraging anybody or shaming anybody for something they don't want to do or want to do. You want to force people to do things they don't want to do? Go to school and get in congress until then stop putting words in my mouth when I point out your ridiculous statements. And this is the last time I'm discussing this with you since you can't form an argument without putting words in people's mouths. I said what I said and I don't need you summarizing anything.
 
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bobjr

You ask too many questions
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I'm perfectly fine with calling people dumb for ignoring something science keeps confirming over and over again for the last 6 months, and is actively making the situation worse. Again, it's ignorance at best and malice at worst.

Maybe I should have clarified and said that it's much more likely that dangerous variants pop up and could hurt vaccinated people, but my statement wasn't wrong, that the reason this variant is so bad is because people aren't getting vaccinated to herd immunity levels.

You did this last time too, when called out you decided to argue about the style and not the substance, so things derailed because you wanted to pull some "technically correct" bullshit. So I'd think before you post something like it again.
 

AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."
In other words, not getting the vaccine is almost a suicidal choice that can spread to others. People are free to choose, but seriously, with how deadly this virus is, it's...a rather bad choice not to take the vaccine at all while hoping the unvaccinated will somehow avoid it while it's around. I really can't help blaming them because they're extending this pandemic too much (doesn't help they're most likely jerks).
 

AshxSatoshi

Ice Aurelia
Yes people should get vaccinated but I will never co sign that you should force people to do anything against their will at least in accordance to their bodies. It’s just too much of a slippery slope and violates a person’s individual rights to their own body. Do these people deserve to be in the public where they can harm everybody? No. And I think it’s honestly useless discourse on if they’re to “blame” for being infected. It sounds like you’re getting petty “revenge” on this darn anti vaxxers!!! If they get infected natural selection is all I have to say.
 

bobjr

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Would you blame someone for getting blown up by a landmine after running across a field with big signs that say "Don't run here it's full of landmines"? With anti-vaxxers it's the same thing, except they hurt others through their actions, and in a lot of cases it's children who don't get to make a choice themselves.
 

Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!
I think a difference should be pointed out between the anti-vax movement and people who just haven't received the vaccine yet.

There are enough well-intended people who just haven't received their doses. By all means, they should, but there is some reason they haven't yet. For these types of people, they will eventually listen to reason and take the vaccine. I have no patience with the "it's my choice" movement or the anti-vax movement, but we should encourage others who just haven't taken the vaccine to take it.
 

Gamzee Makara

Flirtin' With Disaster
I think a difference should be pointed out between the anti-vax movement and people who just haven't received the vaccine yet.

There are enough well-intended people who just haven't received their doses. By all means, they should, but there is some reason they haven't yet. For these types of people, they will eventually listen to reason and take the vaccine. I have no patience with the "it's my choice" movement or the anti-vax movement, but we should encourage others who just haven't taken the vaccine to take it.
Hell, poverty is a big reason why many can't take it.

Hence why appeasing anyone right of center by a right of center president for bullshite reasons is a suicidal move for democracy and humanity.
 

AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."

bobjr

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From a global perspective the most poor nations will not receive vaccines because of richer nations getting them first, outside of rich people in those nations.

From an American perspective people in poverty are not getting the vaccine at the same rates as higher earning brackets, but there’s debate over what the reasons are or what’s the most contributing factor. Since while travel to get a vaccine is hardest in poor communities, the most poor states like Mississippi are very conservative, to the point where interracial relationships barely have positive support.
 

Gamzee Makara

Flirtin' With Disaster
From a global perspective the most poor nations will not receive vaccines because of richer nations getting them first, outside of rich people in those nations.

From an American perspective people in poverty are not getting the vaccine at the same rates as higher earning brackets, but there’s debate over what the reasons are or what’s the most contributing factor. Since while travel to get a vaccine is hardest in poor communities, the most poor states like Mississippi are very conservative, to the point where interracial relationships barely have positive support.
THIS.
 

nel3

Crimson Dragon
Multiple people have been killed and hospitalized by the virus despite being fully vaccinated


and how many of them contracted the virus before the 2 week period for the body to build up the immunity was up to par??

a cruise ship had to be quarantined and cancelled because crew with 2 vaccinations were on staff BEFORE the 2 weeks needed to get full protection was there. so yes they had their 2 shots but they didnt bother to wait for it to kick in and provide protection from catching the virus. USA is a breeding ground for new variants due to American stupidity in refusing vaccinations. nature will find ways to adapt if you dont properly stamp it out before it gets out of control and manageable.

i got a hypothetical question for you, say you took some major surgery and the stitches are not even 1hr new. you run 2 full marathons right after the surgery is completed and dont give your body time to heal. when the wounds reopen, do you blame "faulty stitches" or plain old stupidity for reopening your wounds??
 

Sham

Code Lyoko was ahead of it's time
and how many of them contracted the virus before the 2 week period for the body to build up the immunity was up to par??

a cruise ship had to be quarantined and cancelled because crew with 2 vaccinations were on staff BEFORE the 2 weeks needed to get full protection was there. so yes they had their 2 shots but they didnt bother to wait for it to kick in and provide protection from catching the virus.

i got a hypothetical question for you, say you took some major surgery and the stitches are not even 1hr new. you run 2 full marathons right after the surgery is completed and dont give your body time to heal. when the wounds reopen, do you blame "faulty stitches" or plain old stupidity for reopening your wounds??
Why are you asking me this like I’m the author who wrote the article?

Not sure if this fully answers what you’re asking me but the article did say this

“The vaccines are highly effective but don't block every infection and efficacy rates decrease slightly for variants like alpha and delta. It is unclear, however, if the reported breakthrough cases were caused by variants.”

so take that as you will
 

nel3

Crimson Dragon
covid is getting a free hall pass due to American stupidity in vaccine refusal so its only natural the virus mutates. i dont really find such news like that surprising from USA given their natural selection process. i was also pointing out that getting 2 shots doesnt give instant immunity to so whatever one usually does in non pandemic situation. catching covid before your body is fully prepared to fight it isnt suprising.
 
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