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U.S. Politics 2021: Ignore the Neighslayers

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
also excuse my ignorance but can USA partially solve its debt crisis by dipping into the military budget? it might not cover all teh costs but it could pay off a good chunk of them with enough years of repeated reallocations. an easy $600 billion a year budget wont be hurt too much if a third goes to pay the debts. 200 billion might not make much of a dent in a 16.6 trillion debt but it should make a decent solution to the current situation. im sure they can find other overblown budget areas that wouldnt be hurt by reallocating funds to what they really need to pass to keep the country afloat.

But... but we need that overpriced military equipment to "spread democracy" (read: wage meaningless wars unstable governments so they can make money on that country's resources and crush pro-socialist factions so socialism doesn't spread to the U.S.)!
 

The Admiral

solid state survivor
also excuse my ignorance but can USA partially solve its debt crisis by dipping into the military budget? it might not cover all teh costs but it could pay off a good chunk of them with enough years of repeated reallocations. an easy $600 billion a year budget wont be hurt too much if a third goes to pay the debts. 200 billion might not make much of a dent in a 16.6 trillion debt but it should make a decent solution to the current situation. im sure they can find other overblown budget areas that wouldnt be hurt by reallocating funds to what they really need to pass to keep the country afloat.
In a literal sense, sure. Culturally speaking, not so much. War is like Viagra for a lot of people in America.
 

bobjr

You ask too many questions
Staff member
Moderator
We are moving back to a point where Americans are majority supporting a military presence in Afghanistan.

But the media has been so dogshit about it considering how those who said we need to leave got pushed to the side.
 

Gamzee Makara

Flirtin' With Disaster
We are moving back to a point where Americans are majority supporting a military presence in Afghanistan.

But the media has been so dogshit about it considering how those who said we need to leave got pushed to the side.
How many years has the US NOT been basing its economy on war, or actively at at war? 0.

Unless people literally revolt and destroy the Military-Industrial Complex, and I mean literally raze it to the ground with fire and weapons, and get rid of all possible genetic heirs to the money and power.

But no one will.

Because forever chasing the strawman that is The Leftest Leftist, the truest Scotsman, is much more important.
 

AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."
Kyle Rittenhouse's attorney has argued that Kyle was simply going hunting by using hunting laws when he went to kill people.

...That's supposed to be a defense argument.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
Unless people literally revolt and destroy the Military-Industrial Complex, and I mean literally raze it to the ground with fire and weapons, and get rid of all possible genetic heirs to the money and power.

So the only way to defeat the war machine is with a war machine? The irony in this is palpable, and this makes the chances of this happening all the less likely.
 

Gamzee Makara

Flirtin' With Disaster
So the only way to defeat the war machine is with a war machine? The irony in this is palpable, and this makes the chances of this happening all the less likely.
It was cynicism regarding how people who preach revolution refusing to revolt. CHILL.
 

The Admiral

solid state survivor
Kyle Rittenhouse's attorney has argued that Kyle was simply going hunting by using hunting laws when he went to kill people.

...That's supposed to be a defense argument.
So, is he saying that Kyle perceives his victims as animals? That's not a smart thing to say out loud. Methinks that attorney is a pretty ****ed-up dude, too.
 

bobjr

You ask too many questions
Staff member
Moderator
Kyle is on video a short time before talking about how he wants to get a gun and shoot black people, so often the defense will just swing for the fences.

The major problem is the judge is somewhat sympathetic to him, and has downplayed white supremacy cases in the past
 

JourneymanN00b

Well-Known Member
The irony of a title like "Democracy's Last Chance to Shine" under Biden's "presidency" would be amazing, seeing as even 31% of us independents and 17% of Democrats believe the election may have been rigged, not to mention the many Republicans (I forgot the figure for them but it's substantially higher, as you'd expect). Not really a shining Democracy when so many people aren't sure of the results. While there's limited evidence of significant voter fraud, as Clarence Thomas, "an election free from strong evidence of systemic fraud is not alone sufficient for election confidence."
Oh yeah, the irony would have been nice to reference if such a title was adopted, and I wish that we could have voted on a new title. But I am fine with the current title, however.
 

nel3

Crimson Dragon
In a literal sense, sure. Culturally speaking, not so much. War is like Viagra for a lot of people in America.

yeah, its all about war... war on poverty, war on drugs, war on this, war on that, war on you, war on me ETC ETC. the MIC is too strong to let that happen even in it gets forced through. they will just drop support ie monetary donations to anyone that does anything that hurts the precious military contracts. money runs the political system and politicians are too corrupt and afraid they will lose their seats if they rock the boat tooo much...
 

JourneymanN00b

Well-Known Member
For those of us in Missouri, I am pretty sure that you will glad that this POS is officially sent to the fires of hell.


For those of you who don't recognize this blast from the past, Todd Akin is famous for his 2012 "legitimate rape" promotions.
 

The Admiral

solid state survivor
For those of us in Missouri, I am pretty sure that you will glad that this POS is officially sent to the fires of hell.


For those of you who don't recognize this blast from the past, Todd Akin is famous for his 2012 "legitimate rape" promotions.
Way back when the Republicans thought that not tipping their entire hand instantly was a good idea. I can't believe we have a large amount of politicians worse than this dude was.

Not really the intended takeaway, I guess, but also...
 

Captain Jigglypuff

Leader of Jigglypuff Army
Way back when the Republicans thought that not tipping their entire hand instantly was a good idea. I can't believe we have a large amount of politicians worse than this dude was.

Not really the intended takeaway, I guess, but also...
I’d say that is karma. The Republican Party pretty messed up things so bad that it took karma five years to build up enough energy to finally attack them all.
 

JourneymanN00b

Well-Known Member

Apparently Bill Clinton is in the hospital for sepsis. Sepsis is very treatable if it is caught early, but very nasty with rapid deterioration if it is not. He is currently in the ICU for his own protection.

Do get better soon, Mr. Clinton. Prayers to you on your recovery.
 

SBaby

Dungeon Master
So the only way to defeat the war machine is with a war machine? The irony in this is palpable, and this makes the chances of this happening all the less likely.

And of course the problem with doing that is it just substitutes one war machine for another. The only way it would ever work is if everyone agreed on it unilaterally on a global scale. But in this age, that is a practical impossibility.

We are moving back to a point where Americans are majority supporting a military presence in Afghanistan.

But the media has been so dogshit about it considering how those who said we need to leave got pushed to the side.

The higher ups in the media unfortunately are only really concerned about ratings, not content. And this is not unique to this situation. It's more/less been this way for decades.
 

Captain Jigglypuff

Leader of Jigglypuff Army
I sort of feel like Afghanistan was a lost cause after Bin Laden was taken out. The main objective was reached and honesty there is no way anyone or any nation can repair the place politically and bring peace to the nation. I mean the more we tried the worse things got over there with terrorists constantly attacking without any real warning signs or even stopping. It’s harsh to hear this but it’s true. Iraq had some hope as it is about half the size of Afghanistan and there are less caves and mountains for terrorists to hide in. It also seemed like the citizens of Iraq were open to the idea of political change and a much better future that only a small group of Iraqis were terrorists. Afghanistan has way too many terrorists to try and take them down. Nearly twenty years over there hasn’t improved anything for the people nor do a lot of them seem to be willing to change. We tried our best to bring peace to Afghanistan and it failed and we should just accept the loss and get out while we can without making anything else even worse. At some point in time the people of Afghanistan will get tired of the terrorists and the way the government is being run and will most likely revolt. Women will join the political fight to have some more civil rights. This type of thing always happens to oppressive governments.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
And of course the problem with doing that is it just substitutes one war machine for another. The only way it would ever work is if everyone agreed on it unilaterally on a global scale. But in this age, that is a practical impossibility.

Yes, that is what I was implying, although I was speaking more on a national level with the issue of the government spending more on wars than on socialist policies that improve the common person's QoL than a global level of ending all wars (which yes, is probably an impossibility). It wouldn't work because once one tyrant is defeated, another will just take its place. This is why a lot of revolutions fail, especially in third world countries. It's not just enough to overthrow a dictator. You need a solid plan of reform to prevent another one from taking their place in the future. The American Revolution succeeded not just because we were able to defeat Britain and gain our independence, but because we agreed on the Constitution to outline a less corrupt government. Now with the wealthy wielding an absurd amount of money and power to influence politics, we can't end or even limit this unless we pass a series of Constitutional amendments that prevent them from doing so in the future.
 

Captain Jigglypuff

Leader of Jigglypuff Army
Yes, that is what I was implying, although I was speaking more on a national level with the issue of the government spending more on wars than on socialist policies that improve the common person's QoL than a global level of ending all wars (which yes, is probably an impossibility). It wouldn't work because once one tyrant is defeated, another will just take its place. This is why a lot of revolutions fail, especially in third world countries. It's not just enough to overthrow a dictator. You need a solid plan of reform to prevent another one from taking their place in the future. The American Revolution succeeded not just because we were able to defeat Britain and gain our independence, but because we agreed on the Constitution to outline a less corrupt government. Now with the wealthy wielding an absurd amount of money and power to influence politics, we can't end or even limit this unless we pass a series of Constitutional amendments that prevent them from doing so in the future.
Exactly. The US was trying too hard to get Afghanistan to reform its government without a backup plan In case the people were against how we were trying to help them and start attacking us. They weren’t interested in political reform but eventually they will have enough and turn on their own leaders and hopefully figure out a way to create a more stable government with more human rights and get rid of the old outdated laws that were only there because of religious beliefs. Afghanistan was always going to be too hard to get terrorist attacks and fighting among various groups under control because the sheer size of the nation. Having so many natural hiding spaces complicated things even more.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
Exactly. The US was trying too hard to get Afghanistan to reform its government without a backup plan In case the people were against how we were trying to help them and start attacking us. They weren’t interested in political reform but eventually they will have enough and turn on their own leaders and hopefully figure out a way to create a more stable government with more human rights and get rid of the old outdated laws that were only there because of religious beliefs. Afghanistan was always going to be too hard to get terrorist attacks and fighting among various groups under control because the sheer size of the nation. Having so many natural hiding spaces complicated things even more.

I'm not just talking about Afghanistan (although the same logic applies), I'm talking about the U.S. The Republican party is quickly becoming the U.S.' Taliban/Nazi party and doing everything they possibly can to avoid helping its citizens, and it all stems from this country's hypercapitalist culture where profit is the end all be all of everything. The kinds of shady practices that the Republicans and the wealthy business owners that support them are relying on are going to need to be legislated out to really fix any of this. The U.S.' handling of Afghanistan is just a symptom of all of this, they really don't care whether or not we win or lose in Afghanistan (and honestly, they'd rather have a perpetual, unresolvable war), they just want to make money from the combat. You're not going to fix this without addressing the root cause, and that's a country whose leaders only care about profit.
 
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