Ultra Beasts Discussion Thread

[voicerocker]

Not to get side-tracked from the conversation, but I have been under the impression that the playable character is only 10 years old in a few games. Many of them, based on the artstyle, seem far more likely to be pre-teens or even teenagers (B/W heroes especially).

True. But I'd bet the oldest the player characters could possibly be is 15, otherwise you're getting way too far away from the target demographic of the games. Still, that's far too young to make any realistic sense for an adult expert trainer to lose to. The player character has always been considered "special" though and is often credited as being about to connect with their Pokemon in a way other trainers can't. Basically, you're always "the chosen one".

I'm under the impression that Beauty form only exists in Moon, while the other only exists in Sun. Kind of like having Latios/Latias split between games. It was mentioned that there are going to be a lot of differences between Sun and Moon, even if they are just superficial differences. Something about day and night having an effect.

That's what I'm thinking. UB-02 will be the final boss and appear as Beauty or Expansion depending on which game you play. I don't believe Beauty will be in Sun at all and the same for Expansion in Moon.

I forgot to mention this before and I'm not sure if anyone else has brought it up, but Lillie, Gladion, and Lusamine all have blonde hair and green eyes. There's good chance they could be related, especially with the Ultra Beast forms resembling the three of them.

 

[Cyclone]

The Ultra Beasts are cool, but they seem like they belong in a completely different videogame. I hope they explain them soon because.... uh, what?

Also the Feminist Male in me hates that UB02 is the "Beauty" form and is of course a stick-thin woman shape.

Furthermore, the Masculine Male in me hates that UB02 "expansion" form is super jacked compared to me. GRRR. Gym time

ALSO, the addition of Rockruff's 2 new evolutions shows that one Pokedex leak from several weeks ago might have some validity because didn't it list 2 evolutions of Rockruff also?

 

[ReneEnjolras]

Interesting, isn't it? Always, life is composed of unexplained phenomenon, some of which is scientifically determined, and some of which remains a mystery. Pokémon, as a series, has had it's mysteries, as well, but never quite on this scale. Usually legends, or strange occurrence's are chalked up to pokemon in some way, shape, or form, and I think it's delightful that these ultra beasts are defying that formula, and that they can be truly frightening, uncomfortable, or mysterious.

Very nicely said~ You have a way with words.

Right again, BlitzGirl. The "ten year old" stigma is a popular one, based on earlier entries. It's become synonymous with Pokémon, most likely because of the "ten year old starting rule" from the original anime season. In reality, everyone from pre schoolers to the elderly use pokemon in the games, so we should treat it with a "grain of salt", as it were.

Yeah, true. And technically, Red was 11, not 10, in the original games. I take all that with a grain of salt, especially the anime, which is not in the game canon anyways.

 

[.Aerodactyl.]

To be blunt I think you're reading way too deeply into this, and that arbitrarily adding new types exclusive to UBs is a bad idea in terms of game balance, and just doesn't make much sense in general.

That's why I said I don't buy the theory much. I said it as a really "out there" idea.

Also just looking at the "fighting" images on Corocoro...but it actually looks like they are fighting in the overworld and not in battle with the battle sprites and screen...so maybe we don't ever directly fight them still, but the fighting is just plot stuff between NPCs? I honestly don't know what I believe, I'm just trying to think/see every possibility for consideration.

 

[HydroBR]

Theory time!

1- Ultra Beasts are parallels to Pokémon, maybe from another dimension or so. There will be a lot of them, with a "pokédex" of sorts of their own.
"UB-##" is just a way of defining them while we don't discover their real names.
Maybe we'll end up catching and treating them just like Pokémons, or maybe on a slightly different way (different catching method, or maybe you can only have one of them in your team, or even fill a different slot, like a 7th Pokémon).

Basically a way of Game Freak to deal with the increasing numbers of Pokémons and bring a new twist to the series, as they did with Mega Evolutions. The resemblance they have with the human characters kind of makes this unlikely (catching a person would be weird), but still, theories are theories.

2- If they're really altered formes of the human characters as people are saying, maybe there's an "original Ultra Beast", UB-00 or something, that transforms humans into them, so we'd have to battle them.

Lillie would be a target anyway and become UB-01, but the other target would vary depending on version (Lusamine or Gladion, as it's been speculated).
Either way, they'd be uncatchable bosses. We defeat them and they return to normal (or maybe we have to defeat the UB-00 before).

In battle, maybe they act like the Totem Pokémons, bringing other wild Pokémons to aid them.
Alternatively, we could have a regular trainer battle against their human formes (they could have 3 to 5 Pokémons, for example). After we defeat them, they transform and battle us as an extra final Pokemon.

3- The same as theory 2, but instead of having a UB-00 transforming them, they were Ultra Beasts all along, but some of them are being used by the evil team (or by this evil UB-00).
Depending on version, one would be controlled, and the other would help us free them from the manipulation.

PS.: Just noticed i didn't talk about the box legend at all haha. Oh well, they could help us in some way. Maybe their Sun/Moon power is needed, either to bring the UBs from the other dimensions/galaxy/whatever, or to defeat them, or even to free them of the control/manipulation/craziness/whatever.

PS2.: Less fun, but more likely: the Ultra Beasts are just another name to legendary Pokémons that are "baddies" that wants to take over the world/destroy stuff/whatever (or an evil team wants that and use them for that purpose). The only way to defeat them is using the box legends. We do it and save the day. End of plot, credits roll.

 

[Guywhoiam]

Expansion isn't Gladion, it's Wicke obviously, duh.

 

[G4Pokefan]

Great day in the morning!!?? WTH! And people thought that DP was on some sci-fi type stuff, Sun and Moon takes it to a whole nother planet! That Beauty one is just...wow! And the Expansion one??? SmH im wondering what GF is basing these ideas from? Yugi-OH? Digimon?

 

[BlitzGirl41]

Great day in the morning!!?? WTH! And people thought that DP was on some sci-fi type stuff, Sun and Moon takes it to a whole nother planet! That Beauty one is just...wow! And the Expansion one??? SmH im wondering what GF is basing these ideas from? Yugi-OH? Digimon?

I'm just as perplexed as you are. I am liking many features of these new games, but some things are giving me pause, such as the "Ultra Beasts" and Alolan Forms. I still think that these games will have more good things than bad, though. Perhaps GF is keeping the really important stuff, like the box Legendaries, under wraps for now. Saving best for last, maybe?

But, yeah, UB-02 is just..........wut.

 

[clbgolden12]

Something I just need to ask: Why there are two different UB-02s, and neither look even remotely different? Is it just because of the version exclusive thing? I want an explanation.

Also, I find it interesting to note that in CoroCoro next to UB-01 instead of an extra code name like 02 has it just has some question marks... Hm.

 

[BlitzGirl41]

Something I just need to ask: Why there are two different UB-02s, and neither look even remotely different? Is it just because of the version exclusive thing? I want an explanation.

Also, I find it interesting to note that in CoroCoro next to UB-01 instead of an extra code name like 02 has it just has some question marks... Hm.

Definitely sounds like the forms are version-exclusive at this time.

 

[.Aerodactyl.]

I actually kinds like how bizarre these Ultra Beasts are coming out. Like, I really hate how UB-02 expansion looks, but I like that I don't like it, if that makes sense. They really feel "alien" and "strange" to me, they don't give me a "Pokémon" vibe to see the at all. I still think they could end up becoming Pokémon, but just love their designs.

So is UB-02 confirmed to be completely different in both versions? Like exclusive so beauty is only in one and expansion in the other? Because that could kill some of the Lusamine is UB-02 theories. I still don't see how UB-02 expansion is like Gladion. It doesn't look like ANYONE to me. I won't be surprised if other Ultra Beasts end up mimicking a character, I just think it might be limited to mimiking one character per Ultra Beast, even if they have another form.

I still don't think that the Ultra Beasts ARE the people, only mimicking them. The game gives the impression that the Aether Foundation was established in part due to team Skull, and their agenda extends from before Ultra Beasts started arriving, so I think these characters are pre Ultra Beast invasion or whatever happens. Thus, their president wouldn't really have been an Ultra Beast the whole time. I also would expect the characters who are supposed to be Ultra Beasts to act more quirky/bizarre as they tried to pretend to be people in our world. I feel they might just be exploring and trying to learn from people by being like them.

 

[HydroBR]

This is my theory of the ultra beasts.
The Aether Foundation wants to create their own super pokemon. Not a clone like mewtwo or a ressurection and enhancement like genesect. They saw the legend of Magearna, a man made pokemon, and wanted to replicate it for themselves by genetically engineering pokemon using existing ones DNA. The first attempt was both a success and a failure, in that they made Typr: Null, but Aether was too vain and didn't think it was perfect looking. That's when they decided to include human DNA, which is why they look like some of the characters. The ultra beasts aren't true pokemon, just yet, and weren't able to be controlled by Aether. Gladion knew of their experiments on Pokemon and had Guzma form team skull to save the Pokemon of Alola. When the player character gets dragged into this, they end up saving the day by using the box legendary to "purify" by the light of the sun/moon to turn the ultra beasts into legitamite Pokemon on their own.
UB-01 will be Water/Ghost
UB-02 beauty will be Bug/Ice
UB-02 Expansion will be Bug/Fighting

Unlike many crazy theories here (like mine), yours actually sounds reasonable.

I'm just not sure about Team Skull being created to oppose Aether, there would be no point in being all thug looking and stealing Pokémon for that.

 

[Akwakwak]

Since Aether is researching Ultra Beasts could they have taken on a form similar to the human they first had contact with?

That is certainly believable with UB-01 since it resembles Lillie, yet it is still simple in design when compared to the two forms of UB-02.

We know that UB's can take different forms but UB-02 are too complex for something that has no will of its own except for a survival instinct, unless something like this happens with Lusamine/Gladion/whoever.

 

[Meanlucario]

Unlike many crazy theories here (like mine), yours actually sounds reasonable.

I'm just not sure about Team Skull being created to oppose Aether, there would be no point in being all thug looking and stealing Pokémon for that.

If you were saying that a powerful company was doing illegal experiments on pokemon, but didn't have any proof, what would you do?

 

[Greatemboar]

If you were saying that a powerful company was doing illegal experiments on pokemon, but didn't have any proof, what would you do?

Espionage to get information for a lawsuit. Honestly UB-03 will be fun

 

[shadowF]

I can see the UB02 Expansion being like Gladion in that Gadion has ripped clothes and then it transfrorms to UB02 Expansion which is why he has ripped clothes, but I really hope in the end Gladion may be rebattled postgame and we can have rematches with Gladion. I may even get the game where it allows us to keep Gladion to rebattle postgame if in the end they make us capture the ultra beasts while the other ones are still human. But in the end what do you guys think is the most likely result? Are the Ultra beasts Lillie, Lusamine and Gladion? or just resemble them because of something weird? or what other theories do you guys have?

 

[JohnDoe]

Anyone else think that Gladions shaking hand quirk might have something to do with him struggling to suppress a secret UB form??

 

[Hauke_von_Arding]

Also, I find it interesting to note that in CoroCoro next to UB-01 instead of an extra code name like 02 has it just has some question marks... Hm.

Ehem: "10:45: It also states that UB01's name is a mystery but may have a deep meaning"

 

[Guywhoiam]

If you were saying that a powerful company was doing illegal experiments on pokemon, but didn't have any proof, what would you do?

Go beat them up with my fists.

 

[.Aerodactyl.]

I can see the UB02 Expansion being like Gladion in that Gadion has ripped clothes and then it transfrorms to UB02 Expansion which is why he has ripped clothes, but I really hope in the end Gladion may be rebattled postgame and we can have rematches with Gladion. I may even get the game where it allows us to keep Gladion to rebattle postgame if in the end they make us capture the ultra beasts while the other ones are still human. But in the end what do you guys think is the most likely result? Are the Ultra beasts Lillie, Lusamine and Gladion? or just resemble them because of something weird? or what other theories do you guys have?

Like I said earlier, I think they just resemble them, perhaps as a first contact thing (but personally, I don't see the Gladion resemblance at all. The other two are so obvious, I think it strange that that one would be so subtle.)

I also think this because the aether foundation doesn't seem "new" enough to coincide with the Ultra Beast appearance...like , if Lusamine was an Ultra Beast, she would have been one and president of the aether corporation before these Ultra Beasts started appearing and the aether foundation started studying them. So I think the time of it rules it out to me...

I also think that these UB are gonna be version exclusive, and if UB-02 beauty is Lusamine, it means it's "expansion" form probably isn't it, and only one game will have it. I see it Like this:

UB-02 Beauty & Expansion are actually two DIFFERENT Ultra Beasts, but version exclusive. Since Ultra Beasts aren't considered Pokémon in the game (weather or not that changes we dont know yet) they would number them as they appeared. So, UB-02 expansion can't be UB-03, because in that version of the game, there would be NO UB-02 before it... Does that make sense? I think they add the "beauty" and "expansion" title for us as a sort of fourth wall breaking reference because us as players know there are two different game versions with different Ultra Beasts. But as far as the "game" is considered, Beauty is "Ultra Beast #2" as the expansion form isn't in it, and in the other version, Expansion is "Ultra Beast #2" as no beauty form is present. It's not like they'd skip a number and say "well, we have no UB-02 found, but we're leaving it open in case there's an alternate game version out there where one exists". But hey, that's just a theory. I don't really know what the translation of the page tells or if it contradicts that.