Saw a guy sweeping some others with a Seaking... Lightningrod/Agility and rain boosted STAB move is nothing to joke about, from a 375 SpA after the boost. He even used it successfully in ubers, as Kyogre check and late-game sweeper, so yeah, it certainly is an underrated threat.
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Underrated Pokemon
- Thread starter OceanicLanturn
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UbersSuck20
#FreeGenesect
Except Seaking's only point in Ubers is to check Kyogre, which it doesn't even do well.
252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Seaking: 180-212 (59.8 - 70.43%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Choice Scarf)
252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Seaking: 180-212 (59.8 - 70.43%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Choice Scarf)
OceanicLanturn
Non non non!
Because every single Heatran and their mothers carry air balloon. Tbh, most Heatrans I see don't.
Also, I'm copying this from Smogon:
Using the Choice Banded, max atk, brave: This is what you get.
Gyro Ball (-1) vs. 0/0 Salamence: 77.9% - 91.8%
Gyro Ball vs. 252/184+ Gliscor: 58.8% - 69.5%
Power Whip vs. 252/0 Conkeldurr: 65.2% - 76.8%
Power Whip vs. 192/64 Reuniclus: 73.6% - 86.8%
Power Whip vs. 252/252+ Reuniclus: 52.6% - 62.3%
Power Whip vs. 252/252+ Suicune: 83.7% - 98.5%
Power Whip vs. 252/252+ Hippowdon: 79% - 93.3%
Bulldoze vs. 4/0 Heatran: 101% - 119%
Bulldoze vs. 40/0 Magnezone: 105% - 125%
Explosion vs. 192/64 Zapdos: 80.8% - 95.1%
UbersSuck20
#FreeGenesect
But what about these?
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (136 BP) vs. 200 HP / 244 Def Landorus-T: 166-196 (44.98 - 53.11%) -- 0.39% chance to 2HKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 144-171 (36.54 - 43.4%) -- 99.39% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (103 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 111-131 (32.36 - 38.19%) -- 97.95% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 72 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 156-183 (40.41 - 47.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (128 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 175-207 (39.41 - 46.62%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Also, you have to predict when using CB Ferro. And it's so slow...
But it's still a good set.
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (136 BP) vs. 200 HP / 244 Def Landorus-T: 166-196 (44.98 - 53.11%) -- 0.39% chance to 2HKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 144-171 (36.54 - 43.4%) -- 99.39% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (103 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 111-131 (32.36 - 38.19%) -- 97.95% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 72 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 156-183 (40.41 - 47.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (128 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 175-207 (39.41 - 46.62%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Also, you have to predict when using CB Ferro. And it's so slow...
But it's still a good set.
So yeah, out of all those the only real counter is Scizor.
MidnightFennekin
Unwashed skank
Steelix. He's a decent counter to a decent amount of the Dragons in Uber, and can phaze them w/ Dragon Tail, hit Back hard with Gyro Ball, etc. And if given the chance to set up with Curse, Zekrom and its Physical friends suddenly find it hard to do... Anything! A great revenge killer, and with Statuses on your foes Pokemon... 0_o
The problem I find with Steelix is the fact that almost all Ubers teams are Sun and Rain. Sun has Ho-Oh, which can set up a sub on Steelix and use Sacred Fire to beat it, and sun has many other physical attackers that get SE STAB on Steelix which make him not as god. MixedKrom can actually beat Steelix with Focus Blast thanks to his horrendous Special Defense. And when against a Rain Team, Steelix is just garbage :/
KillerDraco
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Steelix is not a great revenge killer, especially not in the uber tier. It's slow as balls and its attack is average at best.
It may resist Dragon but being weak to both fire and water does it no favors in the uber tier. Fire Blast is pretty common, and things like Reshiram and Ho-Oh will fry Steelix in a hurry. Rain teams absolutely demolish Steelix, this isn't even a question. Its low special defense also means most special attacks will hit it hard.
OceanicLanturn
Non non non!
vs Landorus-T: True, however, after rocks, Ferrothorn has a chance to 2HKO Landorus-T. And that's with a +Def nature. Most Landorus-T run Adamant anyways. Adamant Landorus-T has 10% chance of getting 2HKO'd. After rocks, it's a firm 2HKO. Landorus can't touch Ferrothorn with its standard Rock/EQ/U-Turn/Stone Edge set anyways, so it can't switch in.
vs Gyarados: I'm pretty sure no Gyarados runs max HP and Def. Most are just offensive oriented. The two sets I've seen: RestTalk and Bulky Support are rare. Anyways, with rocks support, there's a chance to 2HKO Dos. Anyways, the two sets can't do much to Ferro either. Most Gyara that try to switch in usually goes for Taunt, at least I think so.
vs Scizor: Nothing to say there. It's a hard counter, but I'm pretty sure the Iron Barb damage might hurt.
vs Dragonite: Using your statistics, Ferrothorn can 2HKO after SR. If Dragonite doesn't carry Fire Punch then... The set is parashuffling right? Ain't got anything on Ferro.
vs Cress: Like what Sparkbeat said, ain't got anything on Ferro. Ferro still wins.
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The bottomline is that, you aren't us CB Ferro correctly. It isn't supposed to be Terrakion, come in and proceed to beat everything. CB Ferro's main selling point is its large bulk, accompanied by its large array of resistances and unpredictableness. Also, Ferrothorn needs some team support to make use fully.
moneylesswario
Gone But Not Forgotten
Kingdra and Electrode are underrated.
For Kingdra I completely agree. Top notch rain and sun counter. Once Ferrothorn is out of the way, and it gets a DD or two, or just a sub up for the special set it can just wreck havoc. When used right it can be simply devastating. As for Electrode...please explain lol
moneylesswario
Gone But Not Forgotten
Electrode: Excellent speed, Magnet Rise, can take advantage of Volt Switch thanks to said Speed (to prevent lock-ins, although Dugtrio is a problem -___-),etc.
Not mentioning Explosion because of the nerf.
Not mentioning Explosion because of the nerf.
UbersSuck20
#FreeGenesect
Dragonite's set is indeed parashuffling, but some Parashufflers carry Flamethrower instead of Thunder Wave.
Please explain how does that make Electrode better than Thundurus-T or Galvantula, or Rotom-W. Magnet Rise? Thundurus-T has an additional Flying type, Galvantula is not weak to ground-type attacks and Rotom-W has Levitate. Excellent speed? Fine, but Thundurus-T and Rotom-W can use a Choice Scarf and hit hard right off the bat. And as for Volt Switch, well, the three I've mentioned can use it as well.
The only reason to use Electrode in my opinion is to set up Rain Dance or Sunny Day, but even then, Politoed and Ninetales are here for a reason.
moneylesswario
Gone But Not Forgotten
True, they can use Volt Switch, but they're not AS fast, and so can't utilize it as well. Same goes for MR I suppose.
Also I never once said it was better.
Also I never once said it was better.
OceanicLanturn
Non non non!
But it'll just be 'shuffling', it won't be PARA shuffling
Electrode is only decent in NU. I've came to like it, but it isn't very strong tbh. It's pretty fast though, but I think the zebra should get more credit due to the fact that it can learn Overheat.
Cosmic Fury
Evil Overlord
I have to put Porygon2 in there.
He's got titanic defenses, very high HP, and the Download ability to boot. All it takes is moderate investments in defense and plenty in special attack, and he becomes a monster. ~320 or more in each defense, 374 HP, and a 508 special attack stat after a Download boost, coupled with Recover, make this a force to be reckoned with.
He's got titanic defenses, very high HP, and the Download ability to boot. All it takes is moderate investments in defense and plenty in special attack, and he becomes a monster. ~320 or more in each defense, 374 HP, and a 508 special attack stat after a Download boost, coupled with Recover, make this a force to be reckoned with.
KillerDraco
Well-Known Member
On the contrary. Fast users of Volt Switch may get out ASAP, but slower, bulkier users (i.e., Rotom-W) afford the incoming Pokemon a free switch, since it'll take the attack instead of the incoming one.
Electrode may be fast but all it's other stats are generally crummy. Can't take a hit, and barely packs a punch.
I think pyrogon2 is pretty well established as a beast and a half.
Personally i think jynx, Miltank and mandibuzz get a raw deal.
Once jynx gets a nasty plot boost she's a special tyrant with two powerful STABs to abuse, and dry skin makes her perfect for a rain team.
Miltank has three great abilities at her disposal and is quit diverse.
Mandibuzz is a great toxic stall phaser and owns RU
UbersSuck20
#FreeGenesect
^Jynx suffers from the "Hydreigon syndrome". She's just too slow. She also lacks priority moves. At least Breloom has Mach Punch.
Miltank.... There are just way too many Fighting-types.
I agree with Mandibuzz.
ParaShuffler Dragonite can use Flamethrower and have some of its teammates use Thunder Wave.
Miltank.... There are just way too many Fighting-types.
I agree with Mandibuzz.
But it'll just be 'shuffling', it won't be PARA shuffling
Electrode is only decent in NU. I've came to like it, but it isn't very strong tbh. It's pretty fast though, but I think the zebra should get more credit due to the fact that it can learn Overheat.
ParaShuffler Dragonite can use Flamethrower and have some of its teammates use Thunder Wave.
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