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Unfair Victories?
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ghost master
the kawaiist thing
Ash's is a tough one to call. There have been times that have been really iffy IMO. I cant pick out a specific battle. May I can think of two recent contests that will most likely be picked.
CyberCubed
Yeah, ok!
For May it's definitely the Dusclops Contest against the Phantom.
What a disappointing battle for such a great coordinator who has a great storyline.
Skitty Vs. Dusclops was extremely lame, half of Dusclops point bar dropped because of some silly Assist. It was the only Contest where I felt completely gipped of a real battle. So terribly disappointing, especially since the Phantom also had the build-up of a character that should have made him win the Contest.
What a disappointing battle for such a great coordinator who has a great storyline.
Skitty Vs. Dusclops was extremely lame, half of Dusclops point bar dropped because of some silly Assist. It was the only Contest where I felt completely gipped of a real battle. So terribly disappointing, especially since the Phantom also had the build-up of a character that should have made him win the Contest.
intergalactic platypus
Only rescues maidens
For May, I've gotta opt with Squirtle vs Ariados. That was just a really lame plot twist with a pokemon that had barely been shown. For Ash, his first badge. I mean cmon, he made the sprinklers go off and got a badge? How lame
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Evanji Axu
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>.> <.< Here come the Squirtle bashers.
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Rodian
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All unfair victories are Pikachu vs. Rock/Ground type. It annoys me so much that it can harm them at all, let alone usually one hit KO them. Yes, I know Game =/= Anime, but...there are still TYPES in the Anime. Grawlgrumblerant.
Dark_Scyther
Cascade Trainer
well he has Iron Tail now, so at least he can harm them, more effectively.
Most unfair Victory, I'd say Richie vs Ash and Skitty and Dusclops
Most unfair Victory, I'd say Richie vs Ash and Skitty and Dusclops
Umi Mizuno
☠ one girl army
Ash - The one with Swellow and Pikachu's shiny coating.
May - Her Squirtle beat Ariados-chan! Now that was unfair. And the Dusclops one. Is it even possible for her Skitty to beat that Dusclops?
May - Her Squirtle beat Ariados-chan! Now that was unfair. And the Dusclops one. Is it even possible for her Skitty to beat that Dusclops?
What was so cheap about it? All Pikachu was doing was using the field to it's advantage. There's really nothing wrong with that. It's just the equivelent of using the foliage on a grass field to conceal oneself, or using the boulders on a rock field to sheild from an oncoming attack.johnnyd2 said:
Bah. I can't think of one that hasn't been mentioned yet.
The Big Al
I just keeping Octo
Ash- Super Pikachu vs. Wattson's whole team.
May- Tough call between Super Skitty vs. Dusclops and Super Squirtle vs. Ariados. I'll give the nod to Super Skitty because poor Phantom had one chance to be in a contest and that thing messed it up for him.
May- Tough call between Super Skitty vs. Dusclops and Super Squirtle vs. Ariados. I'll give the nod to Super Skitty because poor Phantom had one chance to be in a contest and that thing messed it up for him.
Yamato-san
I own the 5th gen
I don't know what battle of Satoshi's was really cheap. However, I think several Kantou battles, or battles with Satoshi's Kantou starters in general, are truley f***ed up. See, it's one thing for the show to emphasize smaller forms over evolutions, but it's another to completely belittle evolved Pokemon by making smaller forms beat them through a series of exchanged blows rather than dodge-and-strike tactics (which their smaller bodies would specialize in), the latter of which being exactly what Satoshi's Jouto starters did (case and point, Hinoarashi vs. Sandpan, Waninoko vs. Kingdra). Now, the Kantou starters may've had previous trainers and take up positions as guardian/leader, so you would expect quite a bit of experience under their belt. However, this isn't the games (and ironically, I speak for the starters NOT being level 100), the anime takes realistic physics into account, so no matter how much they tone their bodies, they're still small and light-weight compared to other Pokemon.
For this reason, I don't see how, for instance, Fushigidane could face Jun'ichi's Meganium as he did. It was pretty realistic at first, but by the end, it turned into the afforementioned trading-blows battle. Use of projectiles, like Solar Beam, doing about the same amount of damage could probably make sense, but what about smacking eachother with Vine Whip? I'd expect Meganium to have the upper-hand to due to his larger size, and if he so wished, could've just flung Fushigidane all the way across the field rather than play a game of tug-of-war.
I, on the other hand, am the opposite. Eneko was properly developed by then, and the fact that Phantom isn't leaving home anytime soon is further reason that it'd be pointless for him to win that battle. I guess the writers were more focused on Phantom's side-plot than anything, and with the distraction, they couldn't write the battle itself to save their lives. Zenigame, like I've said countless times, pulls a move it, as a lab-bred starter with extremely little experience, shouldn't possess out of its a**, and uses it to win the battle due to a recoil flaw that just suddenly appeared for that episode, then disappeared afterwards. And for that, I call bulls***.
Besides, Harley probably needed that win a helluva lot more than you say Phantom did. With the Battle Frontier opening, he was confirmed to be a mainstay, and if he wanted to be taken seriously as an antagonist and not just sink further and further to Rocket Dan's level (do we need another comic relief villian that could probably die if a Koiking used Splash? Yamato and Kosaburou had already sunken that low), he'd need to win once a while. To lose three times would've really been pushing it, and the last thing he needed would be getting handed a defeat by the youngest, most inexperienced Pokemon in the show at the time. A defeat wouldn't have killed Haruka or Zenigame at that point, neither (it's the first damn contest of the region). But he got in a victory now, so it's not quite as bad anymore.
Gee, despite the millions of rants I, and others, put in against the thing, you act as if there's no good reason to hate it.
It was more complicated than that. As Gravy mentioned, it was a use of the environment, though not intentional (but you gotta wonder why the hell there'd be sprinklers in a building mostly composed of rock and metal, as if all that's flammable. It's like just anyone could beat Takeshi by getting a fire-type and shooting at the ceiling). As for forfeiting when he had the perfect opportunity to win, I guess it goes to show he cares about Pokemon, even when they're his opponents, and tries to win by his own strength and skill when possible, not by dumb luck. Or something like that, I don't know. In any case, I guess the episode tried to emphasize that he's a bit more pure-hearted and caring than most trainers (being the main character and all), deeming him worthy of the badge.
For this reason, I don't see how, for instance, Fushigidane could face Jun'ichi's Meganium as he did. It was pretty realistic at first, but by the end, it turned into the afforementioned trading-blows battle. Use of projectiles, like Solar Beam, doing about the same amount of damage could probably make sense, but what about smacking eachother with Vine Whip? I'd expect Meganium to have the upper-hand to due to his larger size, and if he so wished, could've just flung Fushigidane all the way across the field rather than play a game of tug-of-war.
The Big Al said:
I, on the other hand, am the opposite. Eneko was properly developed by then, and the fact that Phantom isn't leaving home anytime soon is further reason that it'd be pointless for him to win that battle. I guess the writers were more focused on Phantom's side-plot than anything, and with the distraction, they couldn't write the battle itself to save their lives. Zenigame, like I've said countless times, pulls a move it, as a lab-bred starter with extremely little experience, shouldn't possess out of its a**, and uses it to win the battle due to a recoil flaw that just suddenly appeared for that episode, then disappeared afterwards. And for that, I call bulls***.
Besides, Harley probably needed that win a helluva lot more than you say Phantom did. With the Battle Frontier opening, he was confirmed to be a mainstay, and if he wanted to be taken seriously as an antagonist and not just sink further and further to Rocket Dan's level (do we need another comic relief villian that could probably die if a Koiking used Splash? Yamato and Kosaburou had already sunken that low), he'd need to win once a while. To lose three times would've really been pushing it, and the last thing he needed would be getting handed a defeat by the youngest, most inexperienced Pokemon in the show at the time. A defeat wouldn't have killed Haruka or Zenigame at that point, neither (it's the first damn contest of the region). But he got in a victory now, so it's not quite as bad anymore.
Evanji Axu said:
Gee, despite the millions of rants I, and others, put in against the thing, you act as if there's no good reason to hate it.
intergalactic platypus said:
It was more complicated than that. As Gravy mentioned, it was a use of the environment, though not intentional (but you gotta wonder why the hell there'd be sprinklers in a building mostly composed of rock and metal, as if all that's flammable. It's like just anyone could beat Takeshi by getting a fire-type and shooting at the ceiling). As for forfeiting when he had the perfect opportunity to win, I guess it goes to show he cares about Pokemon, even when they're his opponents, and tries to win by his own strength and skill when possible, not by dumb luck. Or something like that, I don't know. In any case, I guess the episode tried to emphasize that he's a bit more pure-hearted and caring than most trainers (being the main character and all), deeming him worthy of the badge.
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Evanji Axu
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I know why you hate it. I just get irritated with the "OMG KILL ZENIGAME" that spews from the mouth of every Harley fan. It's like the Kanto fanatics and dragon obsessors...there's so many that it's obnoxious.
Captain Brain
Well-Known Member
You need to realize that often lower evolved Pokemon can be better fighters because there levels are so much higher. Even with the fact that an evolved Pokemon gets a stat boost.
Pikachu vs Richu. Lt. Surge evolved to early so stats were off and Pikachu triumphed.;025;
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Rodian
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^ Levels don't exist in the Anime. It's all down to training, guts and strategy. :/ Evolved doesn't = instant win. A well trained Caterpie could probably smash a Raichu up good.
The Big Al
I just keeping Octo
Except Caterpie will only have Tackle and Sting Shot for the rest of its life. Raichu would cook it with just having a superior move set no matter the training difference.
However Pikachu/Raichu Round 2 was actually one of Kanto's better battles. Raichu only got one hit. My only beef was the tail grounding. Apparently the writers never did their research and realized ground lines get fried when struck by lightning. Anyway, Pikachu on the other hand rammed Raichu in the Solar Plexis and then whacked him hard across the face with his electrified tail. In fighting, a combo like that can bring down the largest fighters.
However Pikachu/Raichu Round 2 was actually one of Kanto's better battles. Raichu only got one hit. My only beef was the tail grounding. Apparently the writers never did their research and realized ground lines get fried when struck by lightning. Anyway, Pikachu on the other hand rammed Raichu in the Solar Plexis and then whacked him hard across the face with his electrified tail. In fighting, a combo like that can bring down the largest fighters.
Cloud Strife
JElliot
Um, HALF of the Kanto gym battles come to mind for Ash (Not bashing, love Kanto, wouldn't have had the victories anyother way, made the show better actually. Variety.)
Brock Sprinklers (Probably mandated by Pokemon league that you have to have them in all gyms, so that is why they are there)
Misty (Team Rocket's vacuum[though that can be countered by Pikachu not fighting[)
Sabrina probably the cheapest of all. Haunter made her laugh.
Erica Fire, again, I don't remember sprinklers going off here, did they?
Koga, forgot, used to know
Jessica, again, forgot what it was.
Brock Sprinklers (Probably mandated by Pokemon league that you have to have them in all gyms, so that is why they are there)
Misty (Team Rocket's vacuum[though that can be countered by Pikachu not fighting[)
Sabrina probably the cheapest of all. Haunter made her laugh.
Erica Fire, again, I don't remember sprinklers going off here, did they?
Koga, forgot, used to know
Jessica, again, forgot what it was.
The most unfair victory of all has to be Princess Vs. Princess,
spoilt lil misty with her loving family and three sets of dolls, oh no they aren't good enough for her tho were they!! against poor disturbed childhood of Jesse who had nothing. Plus Jessie fights fair and doesn't cheat like she usually does.
But i spose Jessie is the real winner cos she has james's to cheer her up and Misty just sends the dolls home to make her sisters jealous *cough* Shallow *cough*
spoilt lil misty with her loving family and three sets of dolls, oh no they aren't good enough for her tho were they!! against poor disturbed childhood of Jesse who had nothing. Plus Jessie fights fair and doesn't cheat like she usually does.
But i spose Jessie is the real winner cos she has james's to cheer her up and Misty just sends the dolls home to make her sisters jealous *cough* Shallow *cough*
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Rodian
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Dude. I felt SO sorry for Jessie in that episode. Poor Jessie. ;; Something good needs to happen to her - soon. She's so neglected. </3