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Video game violence?

Mankanshoku Mako

Well-Known Member
Yet that one-year difference apparently makes such a huge deal that you'll be hard pressed to find AO games in stores anywhere. Then again, that could be just because there aren't that many of them anyway.

The grand majority of AO-rated games are porn, that's why finding them in regular stores is so rare.
 

pikadon92

Raiden Maximus
Sure, people can be influencially violent by playing these games, but banning them does not guarantee they will be not violent; video games are not the only medium to influence people.
 

CSolarstorm

New spicy version
No; ratings and restrictions for minors are fine, not banning. A form of art cannot be banned in a liberated society. I'm pretty sure movies and TV shows can cover just about any grotesque or abominable subject imaginable, if you look in the right places. It's healthy to explore these regions of the mind and give them their time to speak; what eventually plays out in our consciousness will reflect more than just what we saw but also our moral opinion of it and our conclusions about how it compares to reality. Just seeing violence does not, in general, make someone repeat it. It takes a specific mix of factors for someone to completely imitate something they see on the TV screen.

Plus, adults can play violent video games too. In fact, arguably that's their logical target demographic. To ban them outright for the sake of the children would be a bit condenscending to the older audience.
 

No. 1 Machop Fan

Well-Known Member
Two words: NANNY PLAGUE!
 

sizida

CoconutIsTheAnswer
ban violence games = boring life.

since there are ratings for the games, it is up to the buyer to play it moderately or not. violence games shouldn't be banned as there are people play violence games for the joy of it as they can't show their violence like killing people in the streets with all the problems after that. in games there isn't real life consequences and you won't go to jail for it.
 

J.T.

ಠ_ಠ
The grand majority of AO-rated games are porn, that's why finding them in regular stores is so rare.

I know. It just seems to me that we're more comfortable with depictions of a person being slowly ripped in half lengthwise than depictions of people having sexual activity, however brief. Seems like our priorities are a bit... skewed.

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Still, ratings system works fine, parents need to do their job, all that jazz.
 
Call of duty and all games that have to do with shooting people are banned at some Wal-mart's here.
It sucks, because when the Family guy game came out my mom couldn't buy it at Wal-mart because it had to do with shooting people.
this may be off topic, but The family guy game should be re rated to a T instead of M, the show is 14+ but M is 17+ and when you shoot people it's like Snake shooting people in SSBB.
back on topic, i don't think they should ban them.
 

Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!
Call of duty and all games that have to do with shooting people are banned at some Wal-mart's here.
It sucks, because when the Family guy game came out my mom couldn't buy it at Wal-mart because it had to do with shooting people.
this may be off topic, but The family guy game should be re rated to a T instead of M, the show is 14+ but M is 17+ and when you shoot people it's like Snake shooting people in SSBB.
back on topic, i don't think they should ban them.
I hear that the Family Guy videogame sucks. The show became stupid, and I wouldn't have high hopes for the game.

Snake doesn't really shoot people in SSBB. He uses a variety of explosives though, but its pretty harmless.

Now I go on topic. The ESRB is there for a reason. There are games that have gotten below standards, and console manufacturers refuse to put them on their systems. I don't think banning violent videogames would be really a popular decision first of all, and there would be no need to go beyond the system.
 

Akemi Skye

Jyousei-Shinkou
Ban violent video games on the level that they refer to would basically ruin the video game industry considering most games coming out now and holding the industry up are "violent" games. Shut them down and you shut the industries down because no one would buy video games anymore since nothing but mostly unwanted games would be left.

Considering how much the American economy is in the gutter, it'd be stupid and only put more people out of jobs since succeeding in the video game industry would be that much harder. You'd only kill the economy more where new jobs need to be made, no broken.

America would be shooting itself in the foot for not thinking ahead if they did. Same might apply to other countries, but I can't say for certain.

Anyways, like others have said, debate on the parenting skills of parents and how to fix them, not how to parent for them and avoid the problem instead of fixing it, that problem being the parents of kids playing "violent" video games and letting them play them.
 
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Vermehlo_Steele

Grand Arbiter II
I like it how failure of some parents cause others to feel it's acceptable for government to dictate what shouldn't be allowed to be seen by the masses.
 

Akemi Skye

Jyousei-Shinkou
I like it how failure of some parents cause others to feel it's acceptable for government to dictate what shouldn't be allowed to be seen by the masses.

If there are just some reaching out by others to help those "failures" to see what they're doing wrong and how they can change it, a government intervention wouldn't be necessary. On the contrary, nothing trekked, nothing gained. If we don't do something about it to fix the issues at the source instead of just avoiding it, it won't go away and will just be an issue down the road.

I'm sorry, but government intervention, unless harshly enforced, doesn't work. And if it is enforced that hard, then it's wrong for them to do that. The only solution is if parents themselves help themselves and others around them strive for a better parenting model, which is also hard, but not impossible, unlike other options.
 

The Oncoming Storm

I went to jared
Here is some knowledge for youse.

1: Game ratings are the strictest ones out. ONly seven percent of illegal game sales actually go through. Compare that to like the twentyfive percent for movies.
2: Games are the newest scape goats. IT happened to books, movies, and music. Now it is video games turn.
3: Homicide and rape rates have gone down since games started in the 70's.
4: Almost anything is bad for you in excess, so this thread should really be like " Video game violence; to much in bulk?"
 

Vermehlo_Steele

Grand Arbiter II
Here is some knowledge for youse.

1: Game ratings are the strictest ones out. ONly seven percent of illegal game sales actually go through. Compare that to like the twentyfive percent for movies.
2: Games are the newest scape goats. IT happened to books, movies, and music. Now it is video games turn.
3: Homicide and rape rates have gone down since games started in the 70's.
4: Almost anything is bad for you in excess, so this thread should really be like " Video game violence; to much in bulk?"

Prepare for your argument to be ignored by authoritarian types (throughout society) who think the common folk are too stupid to discern the difference between reality and VR and that they need government to tell the masses how to think. Yes, there are indeed effects such as role-modelling and a desensitizing of violence; but to equate video games to crime is a fallacy.

deathseer said:
I'm in the camp of "There's must of been other things wrong before a video games causes violent behavior"
I second this notion.

If there are just some reaching out by others to help those "failures" to see what they're doing wrong and how they can change it, a government intervention wouldn't be necessary. On the contrary, nothing trekked, nothing gained. If we don't do something about it to fix the issues at the source instead of just avoiding it, it won't go away and will just be an issue down the road.

I'm sorry, but government intervention, unless harshly enforced, doesn't work. And if it is enforced that hard, then it's wrong for them to do that. The only solution is if parents themselves help themselves and others around them strive for a better parenting model, which is also hard, but not impossible, unlike other options.
I'm of the opinion that if we are to have free will and privacy, that mistakes have to be accepted as part of the deal. Some parents don't give a damn what their kids see, some parents are fine with allowing their little 5 year old girl dress like a hooker or have their 4 year old boy play games that glorify gangsters and all their behavior.
 

Akemi Skye

Jyousei-Shinkou
I'm of the opinion that if we are to have free will and privacy, that mistakes have to be accepted as part of the deal. Some parents don't give a damn what their kids see, some parents are fine with allowing their little 5 year old girl dress like a hooker or have their 4 year old boy play games that glorify gangsters and all their behavior.

Then their mistakes our their own and those are the people allowing video games to provide these negative effects. Thus, a government intervention in regards of Social Services should be in order since the parents aren't fit to parent their kids in their best interest. That's what they're there for, anyways.

But those of them whom are willing to listen and change because they give a damn about their kids(as they should), should be able to change some bad habits, at least. Better than nothing and definitely better than Social Services getting involved if there still is some hope in helping the parents help the kids, not just let them let the kids ruin themselves, perhaps even enabling them to.
 
Snake doesn't really shoot people in SSBB. He uses a variety of explosives though, but its pretty harmless.
Not if your friends are good, he doesn't. :p

(I'm kidding you, of course.)

I'm assuming you mean that he doesn't actually, like, shoot and kill people, because he certainly uses firearms to shoot the likes of Mario, Captain Falcon, Link (oh that's right--he's Hylian, not human), and Ness. If you're talking about the fact that there's no blood, you're correct.

In any case, no, the government shouldn't be banning the violence in video games while making no effort to ban violence from movies. If they sought to limit the violence of both, that'd be one thing.

And I'm totally unimpressed with the argument that video games need a ban on violence because video games are interactive. Hockey's plenty interactive and nobody in the government's trying to ban that, right?
 

rocky505

Well-Known Member
Parents need to do better jobs and so do the people who work at the store where they buy the games at. If you see a woman walk into a game store and her child below the age of 18 wants to buy a game such as CoD,MK,GTA and the parent allows it, I wouldn't allow to sell it to them even if she tries to lie and say it's for some random person over 18.
 

Sepser

grass type lover
The ratings are a good guideline for parents but it should not be an excuse for the parents not to care about the childs hobbies.

There are several types of bad parents. those who don't care what their child sees and those who are overprotective by using the ratings as a rule are both some of them.

Good parents would watch their kids play videogames and maybe even play them themselves. Afterward talk to the kid about it. If the kid clearly states that they know it's only a game and they wouldn't do something as stupid as copy it, even twelve year olds could play call of duty. But if the kids behavior changes because of it. The parents sholdn't hesitate to take the game from them and wait a couple years before giving them another chance.

It's like everything else. A good balance is what's needed.
 

ShadeShadow

(>^.^)>(;_;)<(^.^<)
i dont really care about violence. it just doesnt effect me, and im not a big fighter.
 

Cswags

Well-Known Member
I'm in the camp of "There's must of been other things wrong before a video games causes violent behavior"

I agree. I feel as if video games and other art forms have become a scapegoat, as people don't want to admit that they might have behavioral problems, such as anger management issues, bipolar disorder, etc.
 
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