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Was Ruby's Celebi planned or a happy accident?

Discussion in 'Pokémon Manga Discussion' started by matt0044, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. matt0044

    matt0044 Well-Known Member

    Celebi’s reset button in the RS arc’s finale is infamous but whether it was a last minute stint or not is something I find hard to partial out. That is, when Ruby takes out his mysterious sixth Pokemon, Sapphire recall back to their first meeting when the Seviper was curb-stomped by one of his Pokemon but didn’t see who like we the readers.

    It could’ve been that the mystery was set up to be something else and when Kusaka started killing off Steven, Norman and Courtney, his editor urged him to undo it for some reason (a commonality in kids Manga) and they would try to make it look like it was planned all along in plain sight when not really.

    Storytelling is something of an magic trick where you hope to make it all come together and look like you were in control the entire time. Contrary to popular belief, it often relies more on writing by the seat of your pants even when you have a planned trajectory for the overall plot. This is especially true of Manga creators who have INSANE deadlines for one chapter alone. Akira Toriyama anybody?

    However, with Celebi, the transparency is pretty apparent to any reader. Yet that still leaves us with the question. Did Kusaka plant that seed to later grow or was it just a happy accident that he had a dangling plot thread to tie up?

    I'd like to encourage a civil conversation and maybe discuss how complicated writing a story can really be.
  2. Redstar45

    Redstar45 Member

    If that is case of editor force him to use that plot then why that person didn't told Pokemon is not that dark story to begin with ? would save him some time .
  3. lolipiece

    lolipiece Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    I doubt it was an editorial thing. There were vague references beforehand.

    When Ruby defeated the Seviper that attacked him and Sapphire, he clearly sent out a Pokemon that wasn't part of the four he already had at the time. That was shown in the original chapter.

    When he and Sapphire were leaving Mirage Island, the time distortion that made Mirage Island hidden from view went crazy.

    Both of these happened before characters started dying.

    Also, he's from Goldenrod, which is literally right next to Azalea Forest, where Celebi resides.

    He probably wanted to feature the three "cute" Mythical Pokemon at the time in each of the Gen III arcs, as chapters 267, 294, and 318 were all published in around the same month. All three chapters contain Mew, Celebi, and Jirachi flying through the sky with the exact same panel layout. Kusaka likes making connections like that.
  4. matt0044

    matt0044 Well-Known Member

    True but this leaves a few questions: How did Ruby meet Celebi and just went along with a legendary Pokemon hanging around with him? Was there to be a flashback meant to explain this but the RS chapter was short on time?
  5. Kutie Pie

    Kutie Pie 桜咲くこの坂を今も上っている

    I just read this arc around Christmas, but so much went on that I can't remember the little details. But wasn't Celebi given to him by his father or something? I think Celebi was a gift in general, had to have happened after the Salamence incident or just before they moved to Littleroot. I didn't catch on to the vague foreshadowing when I was reading (there's such a thing as being too subtle, and I just thought Mirage Island's weird time distortion was a way to explain why it's such a mysterious island), but even then it still doesn't make much sense. It still feels like the writer just had to have a happy ending despite all the destruction, and in the process ended up making those emotional moments Ruby went through kind of moot.
  6. I gotta be honest, the Celebi thing is the one big criticism I have for the RS chapter. It did feel really Deus Ex Machina for me, but I think there could viably be an explanation in that the Emerald chapter had to happen and they couldn’t have Steven killed off for that, and if you’re gonna find a way to revive one then why not the rest? It still pisses me off but I can see where they came from with the decision.
  7. matt0044

    matt0044 Well-Known Member

    I don't think Steven wasn't really a big player in the Emerald chapter.
  8. fk6284755

    fk6284755 New Member

    The discovery of penicillin comes to my mind. Penicillin was one of the world's best "accidents". Alexander Fleaming was a British biologist who had left his research out in the open one day, forgetting to clean up. When he came back he found mold growing on it and that it killed bacteria. That's how the world's first antibiotic was created.
  9. Kutie Pie

    Kutie Pie 桜咲くこの坂を今も上っている

    What does any of this have to do with Celebi's inclusion as a "happy accident", exactly? Are you suggesting Kusaka forgot what the sixth Pokémon was up until Mirage Island, realized he was writing himself into a corner and needed to do something about the setting as well as make it a happier ending for the kiddies?

    Am I reading this right?
  10. diakyu

    diakyu Well-Known Member

    The fight against Seviper was a very gigantic hint. The arc never really tries to hide Ruby's abilities beyond this point so it was odd that this specific instance was never shown.

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