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Weakest Perceived Pokemon Teams in Gen 1

Discussion in 'Pokémon Generation I & II Discussion' started by GreenMatius, Nov 27, 2018.

  1. GreenMatius

    GreenMatius Member

    Hi. First of, thanks for reading.
    Anyway, I am trying to form the weakest "perceived" balance team for my reattempt in the Generation 1 Pokemon game, specifically Pokemon Blue.

    For the curious, I want to do Pokemon Blue as I find types and stats has huge limitations in the first Pokemon game series while the later series, while getting harder due to variety in key trainers, the many movesets also make it somewhat easier in balancing and coverage. That being said, once I complete Pokemon Blue, i plan to move on to Gen 2 and so on and so forth.

    What I need your help is to help me decide what is the weakest "perceived" team. Despite it being weakest, I want it to be as balance as it can be as my goal is to try to beat the game using the weak Pokemons (even at their final evolution). As such my criteria for the team has to consist:

    1. The weakest starter Pokemon
    2. The weakest Fly-able Pokemon
    3. The weakest Surf-able Pokemon
    4. The weakest Electric/Fire/Psychic/Fighting type - perceived attacking type
    5. The weakest Rock/Ground/Ghost/Ice type - perceived tanking type
    6. A weak Pokemon that do not have any same type as the 5 selected before it.

    After going through the Gen 1 Pokemon, I have come up with the team (all in their final evolution)
    Venusaur (Grass/Poison),
    Farfetch'd (Normal/Flying),
    Seaking (Water),
    Electrode (Electric),
    Onix (Rock/Ground),
    Mr.Mime (Psychic) - no Fairy since this is Gen 1.

    Would like you opinion on this or recommend even weaker Pokemon that you think would suitable but still fits the criteria (especially my 6th Pokemon)

    Hope to hear some comments :)
     
  2. shoz999

    shoz999 No! That's impossible!

    I'm honestly not sure if this thread is the place for this but what do you mean by perceived? Do you mean by looks and reputation or by the actual stats and game limitations because Venusaur is actually considered one of the most dangerous grass-types of the Gen 1 meta, being outclassed only by Exeggutor and has only gotten better and better throughout the generations becoming consistently one of the best starter evolutions out of any generation. In fact I believe the weakest starter of Gen 1 is actually Blastoise because of it's extremely limited movepool and it's average offensive stats.
     
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2018
  3. GreenMatius

    GreenMatius Member

    Perceived can be in anyway possible (stats and movepool) but that does not mean I want to run the game with just Magikarps if you know what I mean. Also, the team is specifically for Gen 1 games. So any future moves will not be in the equation.

    That being, I'm surprised you nominated Blastoise as from wherever I search, Blastoise is usually the middle child of the three starters. The perceived weakest is usually Venusaur (poorest stats) and Charizard (poorest type in Gen 1 games). I opt for Venusaur even though he is the best during early game, I think stats and movepool wise, he is pretty weak in late game
     
  4. shoz999

    shoz999 No! That's impossible!

    No he isn't. Blastoise is well-known by the competitive community as the worst of the three starters with Venusaur being at the top and Charizard in the middle, even today that holds true to an extant.

    Venusaur is an absolute monster being one of the few viable grass-types in Gen 1 able to tank hits while dish out serious damage back. Venusaur's most popular moves back in Gen 1 was Razor Leaf which back than, critical hits were all about speed and Venusaur had enough speed for a high-critical rate becoming an absolutely dangerous threat to many water, ground and rock types. Also Venusaur had access to one of the best stat-raising moves at the time, Swords Dance which increased his okay attack twicefold. There's another reason why people choose Venusaur over Exeggutor and that has to do with speed. Although Venusaur isn't fast, Venusaur is faster than Exeggutor and through Sleep Powder, is able to counter threads that could percieve as threat to him. This was especially useful against Slowbro, a common wall at the time. Compared this to Blastoise, Blastoise doesn't actually have much to go with due to average stats and a very limited movepool at the time and Gen 1 is known for having lots of Pokemon with limited movepools, Blastoise had it pretty bad. Blastoise isn't actually a bad Pokemon, it's just in terms of Gen 1 competitive, he's very average.
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2018
  5. GreenMatius

    GreenMatius Member

    Noted and thanks for your point. So in your opinion, if I replace Venusaur with Blastoise, I'll need to remove Seaking too since they are both water type. It kinda frees up a spot but who should you think I can replace Venusaur/Seaking?

    The types available I think is Poison, Grass, Fighting, Bug, Fire, Dragon, Ghost and Ice... Maybe Beedrill? Or Parasect?
     
  6. shoz999

    shoz999 No! That's impossible!

    If your looking for a weak grass-type, Parasect ain't a bad choice.
     
  7. GreenMatius

    GreenMatius Member

    It doesn't have to be Grass type. I'm not type specific so long is not the same as already in the list. Which is why even though Farfertchd sucks, it is my saving grace from choosing Ditto .

    But thanks for your input.
     
  8. shoz999

    shoz999 No! That's impossible!

    Okey dokey. Seems weird though your attempting a playthrough with weak Pokemon in Gen 1. You realize even with good Pokemon, Gen 1's mechanics are experiemental and by extension, annoying right? I think we all remember the dreaded wrap attack lol.
     
  9. GreenMatius

    GreenMatius Member

    That's the whole point. I tried all water type in FireRed and it was way too easy (Blastoise, Kabutops, Lapras, Vaporeon, Gyarados, Starmie) and partly because everything is so much nerfed and I also have Perish Song that ko-ed everything for me.

    As wonky as Gen 1 is, I want to challenge myself and honestly, this group is still manageble with a lil grinding (with Goldeen out of the way - less grinding for me) conpared to when I look at Gen 2 list -literal nightmare how many troll Pokemon there is.

    My Gen 2 current list is Meganium, Unown, Dunsparce, Delibird, Qwilfish, Shuckle (currently playing). Corsola and Smeargle almost made the list if it wasn't for type balancing
     
  10. shoz999

    shoz999 No! That's impossible!

    I wouldn't call it challenging, just annoying. If you want to challenge yourself in any game above Gen 4 I think? I think Gen 3 has it, I do know a way that can make something like X and Y, arguably the easiest Pokemon games before Let's Go, challenging. Just get power-items. It halves your Pokemon's speed turning every battle into a Necrozma fight. It makes it more challenging but also harder to level up due to the one-shots. In fact you might actually want to consider exp. share. Of course the catch is you need a played save file with power items as they are late-game rewards.
     
  11. GreenMatius

    GreenMatius Member

    The plan is gradually going up the Generation starting with Gen 1. Gen 4 is easily the hardest one Ive ever played (CYNTHIA!!). The rest are - ehh.... Beat the elite four in first or second try.
     
  12. shoz999

    shoz999 No! That's impossible!

    Actually I believe Gen V are the hardest Pokemon games. While Sinnoh's Elite Four were pretty difficult, everything before that were pretty easy.
     
  13. GreenMatius

    GreenMatius Member

    Really? I think it was okay. Nothing memorable to me. I had a Sawsbuck and I love it and pretty much it. Haha
     
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  14. shoz999

    shoz999 No! That's impossible!

    Alright. Well good luck with your playthrough.
     
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  15. dannymusic

    dannymusic The Smiling Trombonist

    I'm going to give my opinions based on how I think the pokemon would fare in-game and not with regard to how the pokemon fares competitively:

    1. Charmander. It has a type disadvantage against the first two gyms (and Giovanni's gym afterward). Bulbasaur, on the other hand, is good against the first four gym leaders (Erika tends to just want to use poisonpowder on it, which doesn't affect Bulbasaur and leaves you free to gradually whittle her pokemon's health down with Tackles)
    2. Farfetch'D, yeah, I agree
    3. I'd give it to Tentacruel over Seaking - Seaking's stats are worse, but being part poison-type is a drawback against Sabrina's gym and other pokemon with Psychic
    4. I think Fire's the worst of these types due to its limited attacking options (Bug, Grass, and Ice, but most Ice types are also Water types). However, I'd place Fighting as second-worst since there aren't many decent Fighting-type attacks (Submission does the most damage but is inaccurate and gives recoil). Primeape gets my vote here.
    5. I consider Ice more attacking than a tanking type, but regardless, Onix is a good pick here.
    6. Psychic's so overpowered in Gen 1 that even a weak psychic pokemon is still a solid threat. I'd give this spot to Beedrill; it's fragile and has a lackluster movepool. Ditto's also worth considering.
     
  16. GreenMatius

    GreenMatius Member

    Thank you so much for the input. The ingame vs competitive has been dwadling in my mind but in the end, I decided to go with competitive simply because it just seems hilarious to me to put Charizard as part of a weak team since he is a pretty versatile Pokemon with good stats compared to Venusaur or Blastoise. I eventually go with Blastoise, partly because I agree with Shoz but also, Blastoise was never the best in both categories compared to the other starters.

    I replaced Seaking with Paras since I don't need a water type. I have considered Ditto and Beedrill but my rule is no Pokemon of the same type and Normal was already covered by Farfetchd which has priority (I need Fly) - see how I try to limit the weakness of my team . I wastossing between Beedrill and Parasect but after reading forums and Smogon, Parasect seemed like the worser Pokemon that is only good for status effect. With that, there weren't much option left.

    I'm surprised you included Primeape. I personally never used it before but my cousin had and it was one of her go to Pokemon and Primeape just in general does not come across as traditionally weak. But maybe I'm missing something.

    Honestly I just put ice as defensive because bulbapedia said ice in average has one of the better defensive stats so I'm like whatever.

    Anyway my final team is Blastoise, Parasect, Farfetchd, Onix, Electrode, Mr.Mime. Would love to hear your opinion as I have just entered Mt Moon and still free to switch around.
     
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  17. Leonhart

    Leonhart Disney fanatic

    Any team that I made in Gen I with Hitokage (Charmander) was a challenge since the first two Gyms are brutal against Fire-types, though once it's fully evolved, it's the best Starter in my view.
     

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