SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
How did mallows mother episode, the litten episode or the Sophocles - minior episode fail at that exactly? Curious to hear
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What annoys you about the show?
- Thread starter DuskAstral
- Start date
OshyHikari
c l a r i t y
My biggest issues:
- Johto's huge filler-fest
- Ash reverting back to a noob in BW
- Ambipom's rushed departure, clearly done solely to make way for the underwhelming Cyndaquil
- The Elesa Gym battle
- Ash's Indigo League loss
- Journeys as a whole
- Ash's Torterra never winning any battles after evolving
- Over-reliance on Kanto and Pokemon GO pandering
- Alola League having no entry requirement
- Female companions "not allowed" to battle in Gyms
- Johto's huge filler-fest
- Ash reverting back to a noob in BW
- Ambipom's rushed departure, clearly done solely to make way for the underwhelming Cyndaquil
- The Elesa Gym battle
- Ash's Indigo League loss
- Journeys as a whole
- Ash's Torterra never winning any battles after evolving
- Over-reliance on Kanto and Pokemon GO pandering
- Alola League having no entry requirement
- Female companions "not allowed" to battle in Gyms
Morax
King of heroes
>3 filler episodes are representative of the whole season
What logic do you operate on?
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
Are u dumb? First of all they arent fillers because they literally feature captures or goals being revealed/character debuts. Also the user talked about how when SM tries to act serious but fails so I gave her examples and asked her how she thought those episode failed in that?
Also Id like to add the 2 guzzlord episodes to my initial list
Morax
King of heroes
I'll give you the litten episode. The other two had no impact on the bigger picture, sounds filler to me. Expanding on this point : they were isolated stories that served no purpose other than petty reasons for "capture". Stoutland's death doesn't play a part in litten's development, Mallow's mom is a literal CotD who didn't exist until the day before, minior was utterly inconsequential. SM is full of these one-off episodes that don't have nothing to do with the endgame, they don't build-up towards anything. Not to mention the character themselves don't change at all, besides lillie.
Those 3 episodes are the only diamonds on the riverbed. There are plenty of other moments where SM failed the "serious" business. The league, aether and necrozma the most prominent examples.
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Sonnas
Well-Known Member
Because some of them feel like they’re trying to be emotional but it feels unearned or trying too hard to be feelsy.
Also I’m a male.
RafaSceptile
Well-Known Member
The only maybe filler is the Sophocles episode, the other two are not fillers
Sonnas
Well-Known Member
Which Sophocles episode are you referring to?
RafaSceptile
Well-Known Member
The Minior episode. Overall a good episode, but the worst of the three episodes he mentioned.
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
I like how the mood was brightened up when Rayquaza appeared in the sky and they all forgot about the dead Minior, only Rayquaza was there to literally eat their remains to later defecate in space.
janejane6178
Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
Why do we have such an AMAZING AMAZING AMAZING artstyle in the movies (especially in the recent ones), while the characters in the show its-self since SM look so cartoonish and ew? :/
RafaSceptile
Well-Known Member
Well that is Rayquaza being Rayquaza, since it eats meteoroids
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
It's no secret that made-for-theater movies have higher budgets than the shows with multiple episodes they're based on.
Sonnas
Well-Known Member
Because they're in a movie and usually they put more effort in those since you know it's an animated movie.
janejane6178
Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
Its not what i meant. The series had nice artstyle from os to xy. After that it became cartoonish and ew
RafaSceptile
Well-Known Member
Because the artstyle as well as other aspects of anime in general like humor, etc. are a cultural thing that are changed eventually to adapt to different periods of time and for different audiences.
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Different art styles for different mediums, I guess.
Sonnas
Well-Known Member
Oh that one. I barely remember that one only know that it's the one where Poipole gets kinda sad when one of the Minior perishes.
mysticalglacia
Alola Shill
• The very wild ups and downs in terms of writing quality. Sometimes the show is good, sometimes it’s absolutely terrible.
• The direction post-XY. I enjoyed SM and Journeys is watchable but for all my gripes about XY, oh how I miss a consistent story with consistent direction and quality.
• Them doing away with CG backgrounds. It really did make battles feel more dynamic and modern while giving the series a sense of sleekness.
• This sudden inability to write female characters properly. They’re either lacking in everything (Mallow) or lacking in one or two things while excelling most everywhere else (Serena, Lillie).
• Introducing interesting character traits and doing nothing with them. This is most prominent in Go; he had great setup that was just...forgotten? Like I don’t know how JN015 contributes anything to his character if all the stuff that could make him more interesting is never paid any mind.
• The lack of effort put into the companion’s rivals. The last time they made a companion’s rival be an actual character of their own was Zoe. Some rivals like Burgundy and Miette are fun personality-wise but there’s just not much to them in terms of character writing.
• The Power of Us artstyle never seeing the light of day after the movie. Of course OLM can’t be pumping out episodes with movie-tier animation but the general style and character design of that movie was brilliant. I want it back in some way.
• The direction post-XY. I enjoyed SM and Journeys is watchable but for all my gripes about XY, oh how I miss a consistent story with consistent direction and quality.
• Them doing away with CG backgrounds. It really did make battles feel more dynamic and modern while giving the series a sense of sleekness.
• This sudden inability to write female characters properly. They’re either lacking in everything (Mallow) or lacking in one or two things while excelling most everywhere else (Serena, Lillie).
• Introducing interesting character traits and doing nothing with them. This is most prominent in Go; he had great setup that was just...forgotten? Like I don’t know how JN015 contributes anything to his character if all the stuff that could make him more interesting is never paid any mind.
• The lack of effort put into the companion’s rivals. The last time they made a companion’s rival be an actual character of their own was Zoe. Some rivals like Burgundy and Miette are fun personality-wise but there’s just not much to them in terms of character writing.
• The Power of Us artstyle never seeing the light of day after the movie. Of course OLM can’t be pumping out episodes with movie-tier animation but the general style and character design of that movie was brilliant. I want it back in some way.
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
*Sigh*
The mallow episode literally has mallows backstory, her getting shaymin which stayed for the rest of the series, ash's torracat learning fire fang, Lillie and Gladion learning their father is alive. How the hell is that a filler???????
For the Sophocles episode we have Molaynes debut, Sophocles dream revealed, important character moment for both poipole and Sophocles (esp since this moment is highlighted in poipole's flashbacks). Also there are the guzzlord two parter episodes that nail the serious tone perfectly. These were the only 5 episodes which tried to go for a very serious tone and message in their storytelling and was in response to a user who were talking about such episodes. Also during the necrozma arc and Alola league it had its comedic moments, it had its serious moments, like SM is. You don't like that style, doesn't mean it's bad.
Hmm I never felt they tried too hard, felt pretty normal to me with how they approached the themes and it would be emotional based on the themes they were going for.
Also I'm really sorry if I used female pronouns for you, idk why I did that
The minior dying one
I mean I like them all equally, it is really underrated imo
I think that's kinda diminishing the episode, it was about Sophocles as well as poipole at the same time and how they dealt with letting go of a close one and seeing them go away, only it hit harder in this sense because the minior actually die
Also I don't get the complaints that rayquaza then swooped down? Its literally in accordance with the lore of both mons and made for a beautiful ending after the sad overtones of the episode. It's an amazing part of the episode for me