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What are your hot takes on the anime?

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Ignition

We are so back Zygardebros
Literally can’t wait to get home to watch this episode since everybody is gassing it
I said this in the thread and I’m sure you could verify this too but even as a vocal critic of Journeys, I’d argue it’s the best episode of the saga. Plus as a Lillie fan I’m sure you’ll enjoy it
 

DatsRight

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It does feel like JN is pulling an SM and suddenly churning out loads of good development episodes in its final year.
 

Sham

The Guardian of War
Define “good”. The issue with SM is that the classmates received a bunch of “POWER UPS” during the last season.
 

DatsRight

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Define “good”. The issue with SM is that the classmates received a bunch of “POWER UPS” during the last season.
I guess I didn't really hate them that much because they involved some fun scenarios in a lot of episodes rather than the usual 'fight against Team Rocket and magically get plot armour boost' formula.

Also the league arc was a lot of fun and had nice bits of development for everyone.
 

DatsRight

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(Hapu had a Gengar?)

I think it might be also that we get a barrel load of those stoic and serious powerhouse Pokemon every series, not even counting Lucario, while the prankster with a soft side is at least SLIGHTLY less overused and more fun to bounce off other Pokemon.
 

Gingertail24

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(Hapu had a Gengar?)

I think it might be also that we get a barrel load of those stoic and serious powerhouse Pokemon every series, not even counting Lucario, while the prankster with a soft side is at least SLIGHTLY less overused and more fun to bounce off other Pokemon.
Yeah she captured greedy rapu (don't know how to spell it's name)

Honestly I think alot of the serious/stoic ones aren't even that, they just are bland. Some people called staraptor serious battle Mon. But tbh, I love the thing, but it had no personality onced it evolved. It wasn't serious, it was just bland

You start to realize the ones that are bland when there Bulbapedia article is trying really hard to find personality traits other than "determined" and "loyal to ash". Talonflame suffered from this as well
 
Yeah she captured greedy rapu (don't know how to spell it's name)

Honestly I think alot of the serious/stoic ones aren't even that, they just are bland. Some people called staraptor serious battle Mon. But tbh, I love the thing, but it had no personality onced it evolved. It wasn't serious, it was just bland

You start to realize the ones that are bland when there Bulbapedia article is trying really hard to find personality traits other than "determined" and "loyal to ash". Talonflame suffered from this as well
That was Acerola actually.
 

Kamised

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Is it weird that every major character seems to have stronger water pokemon than Misty when she was supposed to be a water specialist? Like Ash's Greninja is the strongest water pokemon seen in the anime, you have Dawn's Piplup, or Ash's other water pokemon like Squirtle, Corphish, Buizel, etc.

The biggest problem with Misty being a water pokemon trainer is literally every other character who had a water pokemon on the cast upstaged her and had stronger water pokemon. So in the end what do Misty's Staryu, Politoed or Corsola do better than any other characters water Pokemon? I mean I honestly can't think of a single thing.
 

Mythical-Moonlight

I just ran, I ran all Night and Day ~
Like Ash's Greninja is the strongest water pokemon seen in the anime

Kyogre, Palkia, and literally every other Water Legendary: Are we a joke to you?

The biggest problem with Misty being a water pokemon trainer is literally every other character who had a water pokemon on the cast upstaged her and had stronger water pokemon. So in the end what do Misty's Staryu, Politoed or Corsola do better than any other characters water Pokemon? I mean I honestly can't think of a single thing.
Literally only her Gyarados and maybe her Staryu seem strong

Psyduck too but his instances are only situational
 

Kamised

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Literally only her Gyarados and maybe her Staryu seem strong

Psyduck too but his instances are only situational
And remember in the OS she didn't have Gyarados (she gets it during the AG era), so for the entire 275 ep span of the OS she really only has Corsola and Politoed as her main two battlers.

Misty's a main character for nearly 300 episodes, double the amount of time of all the other female companions, and in all that time they couldn't do much to make her water pokemon or goal stand out at all. The fact that Ash upstaged her with water pokemon all the time makes it even more jarring.
 

DatsRight

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Kyogre, Palkia, and literally every other Water Legendary: Are we a joke to you?


Literally only her Gyarados and maybe her Staryu seem strong

Psyduck too but his instances are only situational
I feel like a big problem with Misty is that they seemed to make a point that she was actually twice the incompetent Ash was and nearly always won or progressed by dumb luck (even Togepi she only got it because she literally shoved the others out of the way when it hatched, she lost the tournament, it was once again victory through bumbling).

Like they at least admited this in cases like Kanto Ash, Mallow or Iris and had it come down on them, but Misty they suddenly 180ed and implied she was suddenly a competent trainer. It's not even a case of them noticing this and having her develop properly, no all those Psyduck and Togepi flukes apparently meant something and she was suddenly strong as soon as they changed their mind.

Misty and Serena are the two protagonists I believe got away scot free with having no agency their entire series (May's a contender as well, but she did at least LOSE a few times she wasn't good enough).
 
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Kamised

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That's another thing, why didn't Misty have any connection to Suicune in the OS? I always felt Suicune should of been something Misty bonded with (not capture like Go though), but it never happened. In the 4th movie Misty literally does nothing the whole movie.

We literally see water legendaries like Suicune that you would think Misty would be impressed with, instead she has no reaction to it over any other legendary. If Misty had seen Kyorge it'd be the same.
 

Sham

The Guardian of War
I’m not exactly fond on how the anime deals with recoil damage. I was slightly okay with Volt Tackle because it probably was redundant showing that every time Pikachu did that but then it slipped towards other moves and almost every Pokémon. Recoil damage or move side effects.

Even moves like Outrage are not showing any stakes. If Gladion and Iris could easily use a technique that gets rid of the confusion then where are the stakes in using the move? Even Eevee constantly used Double Edge but left the battle unharmed.

And it’s weird because they pick weird opportunities to display this and sometimes ignore it all together.




Axew getting confused here is probably the last time they displayed it. Or very few after but it takes away the lure of the risk of using these powerful moves.
 

Lord Godwin

The Lord of Darkness
I’m not exactly fond on how the anime deals with recoil damage. I was slightly okay with Volt Tackle because it probably was redundant showing that every time Pikachu did that but then it slipped towards other moves and almost every Pokémon. Recoil damage or move side effects.

Even moves like Outrage are not showing any stakes. If Gladion and Iris could easily use a technique that gets rid of the confusion then where are the stakes in using the move? Even Eevee constantly used Double Edge but left the battle unharmed.

And it’s weird because they pick weird opportunities to display this and sometimes ignore it all together.




Axew getting confused here is probably the last time they displayed it. Or very few after but it takes away the lure of the risk of using these powerful moves.
Didn't Gladion's Lycanroc also got confused after using Outrage? I do believe Gladion even created a strategy for it to bite itself to snap out of the confusion.
 
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