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What are your hot takes on the anime?

Ragnarok4

The Unova League is better than the Masters 8
Honestly. I don't think the SM-JN personality of ash is bad. But it does feel really different from the OS-DP personality. Feels more flanderized version but still keeping his core traits
I'm not saying it's bad either, but for me, that expressiveness, absolute joy and hyperactivity during SM are not to my liking. However, I can highlight that SM Ash feels more organic than JN Ash, the region, his companions and the training during the series made him much more endearing than JN Ash at some points.
 

DatsRight

Well-Known Member
I mean before that, ash full on had his pokemon attack him as a target. His training was always wacky and unorthodox
I mean I prefer unorthodox training over just waiting for 'the power of really really wanting it' to do everything for him. At least Ash is progressing himself in a way only he can. I think the lack of agency was what let earlier Ash down a lot of the time.

"DP/SM/XYAsh is the best Ash"

AG Ash is the best Ash nerds
One detail I did like was how self aware AG Ash was to the old formula by that point, being sick of TR or other weird COTD and even being genre savvy to some disguises or pitfall traps (eg. scanning "Kirlia" with a Pokedex in the Ralts episode).

They sadly never dabbled in that in later seasons, even ones he was supposed to be more competent. Even XY Ash was the biggest slave to the formula than anyone else.
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Legends Arceus is a masterpiece & SV will be too!
I would like you to start ignoring Jane, it's been several years now and she won't change her mind, I'm telling you this as a friendly request
Trust me I tried the ignore button, it sucks
I wish it was like a block button instead, the current iteration of ignore absolutely sucks
Yeah at this point Ive accepted they'll remain unhinged, so I'll just stick to meming the situation rather than actually commenting on it
 

MunchMunch

Well-Known Member
I don't mind that Ash and Alain didn't interact in the Losers 8 because I never bought a connect between the two of them. It always felt forced. I don't know how to describe it, but Alain in the XY anime and Alain in the Mega Evolution Specials felt like two different people.
 

DatsRight

Well-Known Member
SM has the best animation in the series, people just gotta understand that art style doesn't equal animation fluidity, which's why XYZ looks better for a lot of the time.
XYZ's crispness was also it's own downfall at times too, since animators just couldn't handle that level of detail long term.

Expressiveness was minimal, and most Pokemon that were too complex in design had to get demoted to only the big action scenes or mostly static group shots. Sure the money shots were amazing, but the rest of time it was just well drawn but incredibly limited animation, mostly involving only the same handful of characters and Pokemon.

SM's streamlining just allowed way more personality to get through. You just couldn't have had ALL the group Pokemon interacting together on a regular basis in previous series.
 

Unicorn052

New Member
If Ash reaches Leon, I see him winning more likely than not due to narrative reasons, especially since Leon almost has a crisis about how he is unbeatable and wants to be able to be beaten to show that he can still improve. If he reaches Leon, the worst I think Ash will do is tie with him. However, there is a non-zero percent chance (but not much higher) that Ash might not reach Leon, being beaten by either Cynthia or even Steven (though I would be shocked if Steven actually did beat him).
I find it extremely interestingly weird that all the member in the Masters 8 are all Champions except for Alain. Also, Ash's Battle with Paul, he had 3 aces of the Masters 8 then in the first episode of the Masters 8 Ash gets paired with Steven who has an aces that Paul battled with Ash. I feel like the Battle with Paul was foreshadowing Ash's opponents in the tournament. Theses are just my thoughts.
 

Bortgreen

UP NEXT: A CHAMPIONS time!
XYZ's crispness was also it's own downfall at times too, since animators just couldn't handle that level of detail long term.

Expressiveness was minimal, and most Pokemon that were too complex in design had to get demoted to only the big action scenes or mostly static group shots. Sure the money shots were amazing, but the rest of time it was just well drawn but incredibly limited animation, mostly involving only the same handful of characters and Pokemon.

SM's streamlining just allowed way more personality to get through. You just couldn't have had ALL the group Pokemon interacting together on a regular basis in previous series.
And slowly the new style is getting better too
Imo JN style is a good improvement over what SM started
 
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