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What do you think was a better Pokémon league, the Hoenn League or the Alola league?

What do you think was a better Pokémon league, the Hoenn League or the Alola league?

  • Hoenn League (Ever Grande Conference)

    Votes: 42 57.5%
  • Alola League (Manalo Conference)

    Votes: 31 42.5%

  • Total voters
    73

Pokegirl Fan~

Liko>>>>>Ash
Alola League would have been the best league if Lillie was the one who knocked Ash out AND won the league.
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
Wrong. Alola league is worse than Hoenn league because of less amazing battles and more bad battles which make league worse, same how Ash vs Cameron made Unova league worse. Alola league is only better than Kanto and Unova leagues, but worse than Hoenn, Kalos, Johto and Sinnoh league.

Again, same number of episodes with great battles (4 episodes) but with a Lot more Character Moments, more relevante things, yes, it has more Bad Battles, but those are extra Battles, after the start of the good Battles (semifinals) those are 10 episodes with at least good Battles, more than the whole Hoenn League (7 episodes).
And see those reviews for understand why the Alola League is better than the Hoenn League, not even Close. The closest Leagues are Johto, Sinnoh and Kalos.

Alola League would have been the best league if Lillie was the one who knocked Ash out AND won the league.

100% Agree
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
Again, same number of episodes with great battles (4 episodes) but with a Lot more Character Moments, more relevante things, yes, it has more Bad Battles, but those are extra Battles, after the start of the good Battles (semifinals) those are 10 episodes with at least good Battles, more than the whole Hoenn League (7 episodes), also, the Alola League has a Lot more Character Moments than the Hoenn League



100% Agree
Those bad battles made the league worse from battle standpoint view. Yes
Alola league > Hoenn from character development view.
Same with how Unova league > Alola league from battle skill view aka people are stronger since they gained badges battled others which Alola characters didn't.
But we talk from battle excellence from both leagues which even if Hoenn league is shorter than Alola( Alola has shown like 15+ battles while Hoenn did: 5-6 battles but those 5-6 battles are better than most of battles + Alola battles have been bad that they made Alola league lose points like Ash vs Faba for example.

If we go by that logic of longer =better, than Hoenn league >>> Kalos league since Kalos showed like 4 battles , but that's not the case we look at excellence of these battles; strategy points, if they're bad etc so they can gain/lose points in overall rank. Alola league could've been way better if apart from Lillie winning competition, if they had better battles with certain characters, then yes Alola would've ranked above Hoenn and Kalos/Johto but since we get Ash vs Faba, Jessie vs James, Ash vs Hau and those type of battles it loses in ranks.
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
Those bad battles made the league worse from battle standpoint view. Yes
Alola league > Hoenn from character development view.
Same with how Unova league > Alola league from battle skill view aka people are stronger since they gained badges battled others which Alola characters didn't.
But we talk from battle excellence from both leagues which even if Hoenn league is shorter than Alola( Alola has shown like 15+ battles while Hoenn did: 5-6 battles but those 5-6 battles are better than most of battles + Alola battles have been bad that they made Alola league lose points like Ash vs Faba for example.

If we go by that logic of longer =better, than Hoenn league >>> Kalos league since Kalos showed like 4 battles , but that's not the case we look at excellence of these battles; strategy points, if they're bad etc so they can gain/lose points in overall rank. Alola league could've been way better if apart from Lillie winning competition, if they had better battles with certain characters, then yes Alola would've ranked above Hoenn and Kalos/Johto but since we get Ash vs Faba, Jessie vs James, Ash vs Hau and those type of battles it loses in ranks.

Both Kalos and Hoenn Leagues were 7 episodes long with 4 episodes 6vs6 Battles, but the Kalos League has more relevant Moments like the previous and the start of the Team Flare Arc and Ash advancing to the finals. So yeah, Kalos League>Hoenn League

The same with the Alola League, a 17 Episodes league against a 7 episodes League, both with 4 episodes 6vs6 Battles, but the Alola League has a lot more Character Moments like the Guzma Arc, Torracat and Melmetal evolution, Ash winning a Pokémon League, etc.

In conclusion, both Kalos and Alola Leagues > Hoenn, even in those reviews, when 8.0 and 7.8 > 7.1
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
Both Kalos and Hoenn Leagues were 7 episodes long with 4 episodes 6vs6 Battles, but the Kalos League has more relevant Moments like the previous and the start of the Team Flare Arc and Ash advancing to the finals. So yeah, Kalos League>Hoenn League

The same with the Alola League, a 17 Episodes league against a 7 episodes League, both with 4 episodes 6vs6 Battles, but the Alola League has a lot more Character Moments like the Guzma Arc, Torracat and Melmetal evolution, Ash winning a Pokémon League, etc.

In conclusion, both Kalos and Alola Leagues > Hoenn, even in those reviews, when 8.0 and 7.8 > 7.1
You do understand that they just didn't have 6 on 6 battles, but they had double battles, 3 on 3 battles and 1 on 1 battles? I don't understand why you use 1 or or 3 battles to justify entire league.
That'd be same if I said "Oh Cameron vs Ash was bad so Unova league is the worst while dismissing Ash vs Stephan, Ash vs Trip etc.Pretty stupid logic.
Wrong, Hoenn league > Alola league. and very likely Hoenn league > Kalos league. So you're pretty much wrong and annoying.
I already explained everything. Also, look at polls. You're probably just another Chatot troll that repeats same thing over and over. I feel very bad, dude. Honestly.
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
You do understand that they just didn't have 6 on 6 battles, but they had double battles, 3 on 3 battles and 1 on 1 battles? I don't understand why you use 1 or or 3 battles to justify entire league.
That'd be same if I said "Oh Cameron vs Ash was bad so Unova league is the worst while dismissing Ash vs Stephan, Ash vs Trip etc.Pretty stupid logic.
Wrong, Hoenn league > Alola league. and very likely Hoenn league > Kalos league. So you're pretty much wrong and annoying.

I'm not using Battles, i'm using episodes Battles

Hoenn League: 7 episodes, where 4 episodes with 6vs6 Battles. The other 3 were solid Battles.

Alola League: 7 episodes, where 4 episodes with 6vs6 Battles. 5 episodes were solid Battles (Semifinals + Finals), and only with that, the Alola League surpases the Hoenn League. The rest of the episodes are extra things and Even if they aren't good Battles, they have Character Moments, but even during the great Battles Episodes Alola has more Character Moments than the Hoenn League.

The same with the Kalos League, 7 episodes where 4 episodes with 6vs6 Battles but it have the preview and start of the Team Flare Arc, more relevant than the other 3 Episodes in the Hoenn League.

In conclusion for me and Even in the reviews, both Kalos (8.0) and Alola (7.8) > Hoenn (7.1)
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
I'm not using Battles, i'm using episodes Battles

Hoenn League: 7 episodes, where 4 episodes with 6vs6 Battles. The other 3 were solid Battles.

Alola League: 7 episodes, where 4 episodes with 6vs6 Battles. 5 episodes were solid Battles (Semifinals + Finals), and only with that, the Alola League surpases the Hoenn League. The rest of the episodes are extra things and Even if they aren't good Battles, they have Character Moments, but even during the great Battles Episodes Alola has more Character Moments than the Hoenn League.

The same with the Kalos League, 7 episodes where 4 episodes with 6vs6 Battles but it have the preview and start of the Team Flare Arc, more relevant than the other 3 Episodes in the Hoenn League.

Inc for me and Even in the reviews, both Kalos (8.0) and Alola (7.8) > Hoenn (7.1)
And I am using battles and not episode battles. Because judging battles >>>>>> judging battle episodes.
Nice spam, BTW.
Funny how you just added "for me" while entire time you were speaking from objective standpoint of excellence of leagues. LOL
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
And I am using battles and not episode battles. Because judging battles >>>>>> judging battle episodes.

The anime is divided in Episodes, not Battles. Judgging Episodes >>>>> Judgging Battles because it involves the Character Moments that You can't ignore for saying that X is better than Y.

In conclusion and considering both things, Kalos and Alola Leagues > Hoenn League
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
The anime is divided in Episodes, not Battles. Judgging Episodes >>>>> Judgging Battles because it involves the Character Moments that You can't ignore for saying that X is better than Y.

In conclusion and considering both things, Kalos and Alola Leagues > Hoenn League
And leagues in animeverse are consisted of battles and not episodes since episodes don't exist in animeverse. Lol. Wrong, judging battles >>>>>> judging episodes.So, Hoenn > Alola league.
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
And leagues in animeverse are consisted of battles and not episodes since episodes don't exist in animeverse. Lol. Wrong, judging battles >>>>>> judging episodes.

Leagues are consisted of episodes, and those episodes have Battles. That's why we have League Episodes without Battles like the 5th episode of the Kalos League.
Again, Judging Episodes > Judging Battles, because Battles are a specific part of the Episodes.
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
Leagues are consisted of episodes, and those episodes have Battles.
Again, Judging Episodes > Judging Battles, because Battles are a specific part of the Episodes.
League is about battles and tactical/strategic point of view with addition of judging trainer's skills and battle improvement, thus judging battles >>>> judging episodes.
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
League is about battles and tactical/strategic point of view with addition of judging trainer's skills and battle improvement, thus judging battles >>>> judging episodes.

No, League is about characters like all the history animes in the World. Because of that, Judging Episodes >>>> Judging Battles, because Judging Episodes involves both Characters and Battles.
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
No, League is about characters like all the history animes in the World. Because of that, Judging Episodes >>>> Judging Battles, because Judging Episodes involves both Characters and Battles.
Lmao, you make zero sense and I said "judging characters" in skill/improvement.Read my statement. And you judge battles and together within that battle you judge character's skills ;)
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
Trainer's skill is Judging the Battle, not The Character, especially if it's something like Katie, a Character of the Day.
Nope. Once you judge character's skill/improvement, his strength, it all goes into his character format and not battle format. It has benefits on the battle yes ,but it's still character trait. Battle is something different like length of battle, visuals, strategy during those battles, Pokemon's moves, using field as advantage etc.
Katie and every COTD have some character development because of that since they reached that far, it doesn't matter if she's a rival or not.
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
Nope. Once you judge character's skill/improvement, his strength, it all goes into his character format and not battle format. It has benefits on the battle yes ,but it's still character trait. Battle is something different like length of battle, visuals, strategy during those battles, Pokemon's moves, using field as advantage etc.

No, his or her strenght is part of the Judging Battle if this Character is something like Katie or Tobías, a CotD Character that never see before of that point. They aren't stablished characters, so, this doesn't count as Judging Characters.
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
No, his or her strenght is part of the Judging Battle if this Character is something like Katie or Tobías, a CotD Character that never see before of that point. They aren't stablished characters, so, this doesn't count as Judging Characters.
Just because we haven't seen them that doesn't mean they didn't exist before they were shown. They did exist and they went through development offscreen to get where they are which is still judging their characters, Tobias and Katie all had to start nowhere to get somewhere, whenever you like it or not that's character progression within animeverse. To us, yeah, it's not that significant but to Ash it is because he had to overcome those difficulties and to beat them and they won/lose fair and square because they got better back when they were noobs. Tobias probably had hard time to get Darkrai and Latias just because we didn't know that, that doesn't mean he didn't go through hardship. So yeah, that's still character trait.

Problem is you're watching this through viewer's eyes and I am watching it through animeverse eyes or Ash's eyes, which is much better because you are integrated inside of it.You understand all characters and not just Ash.
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
Just because we haven't seen them that doesn't mean they didn't exist before they were shown. They did exist and they went through development offscreen to get where they are which is still judging their characters, Tobias and Katie all had to start nowhere to get somewhere, whenever you like it or not that's character progression within animeverse. To us, yeah, it's not that significant but to Ash it is because he had to overcome those difficulties and to beat them and they won/lose fair and square because they got better back when they were noobs. Tobias probably had hard time to get Darkrai and Latias just because we didn't know that, that doesn't mean he didn't go through hardship. So yeah, that's still character trait.

It is not Character trait if they aren't stablished characters. We don't know if they had Character development because they aren't stablished characters.
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
It is not Character trait if they aren't stablished characters. We don't know if they had Character development because they aren't stablished characters.
They did. Look at real world logic. You don't know someone in China but he exists, you can't say he didn't have character development because you don't know him. ( I know it's kinda weird example) but still he obviously went through some development even minimal one aka like going to school and graduating. Same here. Trait for Katie is beating gym leaders and beating double battles, 1 on 1 battle, getting her Pokemon etc. That's a still trait that she had to go through in animeverse. So yeah, that's still character development but it's non significant to us since we just met her. Put yourself in Katie's shoes and you will see it.
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
They did. Look at real world logic. You don't know someone in China but he exists, you can't say he didn't have character development because you don't know him. ( I know it's kinda weird example) but still he obviously went through some development even minimal one aka like going to school and graduating. Same here. Trait for Katie is beating gym leaders and beating double battles, 1 on 1 battle, getting her Pokemon etc. That's a still trait that she had to go through in animeverse. So yeah, that's still character development but it's non significant to us since we just met her. Put yourself in Katie's shoes and you will see it.

Yes, you can said that a Character of the Day doesn't have Character development because, well, is a CotD.

Character Development: Character development is the process and execution of creating a fully rounded, complex, and lifelike character within your fictional writing.

Characters of the Day like Katie doesn't have any process, so, they doesn't have Character Development
 
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