What I want to see at E3!

[Zoids11]

Wii info:
How will Nintendo market the name Wii?
What’s the final Wii secret?
How much will the Wii cost?
When will the Wii release?
What are the launch titles?
What can we play on the show floor?
What first-party titles are coming?
What third-party titles are coming?
Tell us more about Hudson's flight game and Ubisoft's Red Steel.
Any news on bundles at launch?
How will the Virtual Console work?
Who else is supporting the Virtual Console besides Nintendo, Sega and Huson?
What controller add-ons are being made?
Any possibility of a Zoids game?
Any possibility of the Zoids game beeing an MMO?

Wii Games:
Red Steel- Ubisoft
Flight Game- Hudson
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam- Activision
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2- Atari/Bandai-Namco
Metroid Prime 3- Nintendo/Retro Studios
Pangya Golf- Tecmo
Cars- THQ/Disney
Sadness- NIBRIS
Super Mario 128- Nintendo
Super Smash Bros. Revolution- Nintendo/Sakurai
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles- Nintendo/Square-Enix
Animal Crossing Revolution- Nintendo
Spider-Man 3- Activision
Raid Over the River- NIBRIS
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz- Sega
Elebits- Konami
Madden- EA
Metal Slug Anthology- SNK Playmore
(there are other, just not that I'm interested in)

Nintendo DS info:
Are more Brain Training games coming here?
What new titles can we expect?
What about the third-party titles? (ex. Final Fantasy III)
Let’s have a rundown of releases.
What new games will use the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection?
How about having the DS Web Browser in North America?
How will Nintendo use the Touch Generations logo?
Wow us with something new.
Will Pokemon Mysterious Dungon be released in the US?

DS games:
NEW Super Mario Bros- Nintendo
Pokemon Pearl/Diamond- GameFreak
Pokemon Mysterious Dungon- GameFreak (I think GameFreak is the maker)
The Legend of Zelda Phantom Hourglass- Nintendo
Zoids Saga DS- TOMY

Gamecube info:
Any new titles coming for the Gamecube this year?
What’s the status of Twilight Princess?
What ever happened to that new Kirby game?

Gamecube games:
The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
Zoids Saga- TOMY

Game Boy Advance info:
Will all or some of the Mother series make it to North America?
What’s going on with Final Fantasy V and VI on GBA?
Any other new titles coming from Nintendo?
What’s the status of the Digiluxe series?
Will Pokemon Mysterious Dungon be released in the US?

GBA games:
Pokemon Mysterious Dungon

 

[Zora]

Some of these we know already

What can we play on the show floor?
Do not know, but there is supposed to be some Wii titles (maybe not on the show floor)

What first-party titles are coming?
SSBW
ACW
MKW
MP3

What third-party titles are coming?
There is a thread about this in the normal Nintendo forum


Any news on bundles at launch?
Obviously if the Wii does not have a price yet, then there is no current bundles at launch.

Will there be DS to Wii connectivity?
Yes


What controller add-ons are being made?
Doubt it

 

[Zoids11]

What can we play on the show floor?
Do not know, but there is supposed to be some Wii titles (maybe not on the show floor)

What first-party titles are coming?
SSBW
ACW
MKW
MP3

What third-party titles are coming?
There is a thread about this in the normal Nintendo forum


Any news on bundles at launch?
Obviously if the Wii does not have a price yet, then there is no current bundles at launch.

Will there be DS to Wii connectivity?
Yes


What controller add-ons are being made?
Doubt it

SSB3 and MP3 are 2nd party. MKW is Mario Kart Wii, right?

I forgot that DS to Wii connectivity was confirmed.

 

[Zora]

No, SSB3 is first party because it is made by a company that Nintendo owns. By that definition, every Nintendo game is second party. MP3 is made with a partnership with Retro Studios. So they are both considered First Party.

 

[Zoids11]

No, SSB3 is first party because it is made by a company that Nintendo owns. By that definition, every Nintendo game is second party. MP3 is made with a partnership with Retro Studios. So they are both considered First Party.

1st party games: Games made by the systems's maker (Nintendo, sony, MS)
2nd party games: Games made by companies owned by 1st party (Retro-Nintendo, HAL-Nintendo, Bungie-MS, ect.)
3rd party gaes: Games made by companies not owned by a 1st party.

Retro is 2nd party, and so is HAL.

 

[Zora]

Okay.

Nintendo DOES not make any games, but the companies they own/have a partership do


Techinically there is not such thing as second-party anyways.

 

[Shrike Flamestar]

Um, Zoids11 is right here. Nintendo does indeed make its own games; who do you think makes Mario, Metroid (not Prime), and Zelda?

Here’s the Wikipedia listing of some of the divisions. Doesn’t seem to be complete though as Retro is missing.

 

[Zora]

I need to repeat myself: There is no such thing as 2nd-party.

Also, think about this. Pretend that ABC owned Fox (that might never happen, but pretend) and ABC put all new shows on Fox. But Fox is considered different still just because it has the name Fox, even though the shows are still ABC. Well in reality, Fox is just an extension of ABC. Same thing applies to Nintendo.

 

[Kabuto]

Wow I completely missed this section. Anyway, I'm looking forward to Pokemon D/P and Twlight Princess coverage. I also want to find out more about Nintendo Wii.

 

[Shrike Flamestar]

*Sighs*

Second party means that a first party company (Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft) exclusively “owns” an external company. The second party company is separate from the first party, but will only make games for their first party company.

For example, HAL is one of Nintendo’s second party companies. They are completely separate from Nintendo, yet they only make games for Nintendo systems, no one else’s. A first party such as Intelligent Systems operates from within Nintendo and only makes games for them. Third party is external and can make games for anyone. Really, is this that hard to understand...

Also, anybody who is hoping for Pokémon info, don’t get your hopes up... Me, I’m just hoping for as much Wii coverage as possible. I want final stats, pictures and videos of the final design of the system (remember, the one we’ve been seeing is only the prototype) in action, tons of new game info for it, the final secret that Nintendo has said will be revealed, and so on.

 

[Solid Kirby]

Zora, STFU, because you obviously don't know what you're talking about. >>

Definition of First Party: The main company. This can be divided into several divisions for the purpose of making games. These Divisions, In Nintendo's case, include Brownie Brown, Intelligent Systems, Nintendo EAD (Tokyo), R&D 1 and 2, and Retro Studios.
Edit: More often than not, if the game in question's first party, you won't see the exact name of the company division on the opening credits (Y'know, where they list all of the company names involved with the game), but I can't account for every single game, so I might be wrong.

Definition of Second Party: Companies that are either owned (In part or in whole) by a first party or have signed contracts with said first party for the purpose of making products (or Games) for a first party. In Nintendo's Case, these include HAL Laboratory, Camelot, Genius Sonority, Creatures, inc., Alpha Dream, and Game Freak.

Definition of Third Parties: Companies that are not owned by any other company, and do not have contracts to make games specifically for a first party. These include, well, basically every company who makes games for Nintendo as well as other game systems.

Alright?

Now, on subject, I'm hoping to see a bit more info on the Wii and Twilight Princess, myself. Especially TP, since they've pushed it back, what, a year and a half from the original date?

 

[Zora]

Second party does not exist. There is no such thing. There is not a second person shooter, a second person point of view, so there is not a second party. Nintendo owns the companies. I gave an example of what would happen with my example of ABC owning Fox.

 

[Shrike Flamestar]

You know, I really don’t do this often, but please.

Stop posting. Now.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Stop trying to act like you do. You are completely, utterly, undeniably wrong.

True, there is no second person shooter, but there is a second person POV. In writing it goes like this: “You walk to the store. There you see a bum on the street. You hate bums. You pull an Uzi out of nowhere and kill the bum. You run away from cops, saying that it was all GTA’s fault.” Obviously, there can be no second person video game (unless said game is a text adventure) but that POV still exists.

Your “example” is completely flawed and has absolutely no relevance to video game company parties. So ABC (Nintendo, I suppose) owns Fox (I guess that could be Hal). Then ABC/Nintendo puts shows/games on Fox/Hal?!?!?! Where the hell did you get that from?

I already explained it once: Nintendo has an agreement with Hal that all of Hal’s games will exclusively go on Nintendo’s systems. Yet Hal still has their own headquarters, staff, CEOs, and so on. They are a separate company from Nintendo (like a third party) but only will make games for Nintendo systems (like a first party). Same goes for all other second parties.

If you still insist on saying there is no such thing as a second party, just stop posting. Walk away from the computer, mumbling to yourself “Geeze, those people know nothing, second parties are myths!” but stop posting it here as all it is doing is driving this off topic.

Now, to keep on topic...

I suppose I would specifically like to see gameplay footage of Red Steel and Metroid Prime 3 as they are my most anticipated Wii games. Nintendo unveiling a next-gen Zelda would be awesome as well, however we already have Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass on the way, so I’m not getting my hopes up there...

Some awesome new DS games will be nice as well. Nothing as of late has really grabbed me... It needs more good RPGs for crying out loud! Golden Sun 3, anyone?

 

[Omega Pirate]

Basically anything and everything Nintendo I can get my hands on. Especially Wii stuff. I also want to see some stuff on Phantom Hourglass.

Edit: Stick it to the man Shrike Famestar

 

[Solid Kirby]

Second party does not exist. There is no such thing. There is not a second person shooter, a second person point of view, so there is not a second party. Nintendo owns the companies. I gave an example of what would happen with my example of ABC owning Fox.

Three things.
1. READREADREADREADREAD
2. That theorey is fine and all, but how do you explain Eyewitnesses for crimes? That's a second person point of veiw, and of course a second person shooter wouldn't work, Because either you see someone get shot at, or you're the one who's being shot at. Gee, what an oh so riveting game! TEN OUT OF TENS ALL AROUND.
3. Don't you mean "The Walt Disney Comany" (Who own ABC) owning Fox? Which isn't possible unless the "News Corperation" (Yes, that's it's name. Google it.) sells it to them. But then again, you don't look past simple names, it seems.

Tell ya what: If you can give us actual proof that Second Parties don't exist, and it's credible, I'll stop talking right now. Until then, do your homework.

Back on topic...
D'OH. I completely forgot about PH. If it's using a similar game engine to the 2D Legend of Zelda games, we might actually see a release date for it! =P
(And hopefully they don't push it back two years, ala TP... >>)

 

[Zora]

Three things.
1. READREADREADREADREAD

You should now that not everything on the internet is reliable. Plus it lacks Nintendo Software Technologies, famous for MPH
2. That theorey is fine and all, but how do you explain Eyewitnesses for crimes? That's a second person point of veiw, and of course a second person shooter wouldn't work, Because either you see someone get shot at, or you're the one who's being shot at. Gee, what an oh so riveting game! TEN OUT OF TENS ALL AROUND.
I was refering to stories. There is First Person, Third Person, and Third Person Omniscent

3. Don't you mean "The Walt Disney Comany" (Who own ABC) owning Fox? Which isn't possible unless the "News Corperation" (Yes, that's it's name. Google it.) sells it to them. But then again, you don't look past simple names, it seems.
You did not read my previos post. Go look for yourself

Tell ya what: If you can give us actual proof that Second Parties don't exist, and it's credible, I'll stop talking right now. Until then, do your homework.
IGN. They have a partnership with Nintendo. Type in any 2nd Party game, they will say [Game System] Game by [Company name here]. It will always be Nintendo.
Back on topic...
D'OH. I completely forgot about PH. If it's using a similar game engine to the 2D Legend of Zelda games, we might actually see a release date for it! =P
PH is 3-D, but a overhead view in the overworld. In duegeons, with exception to very special rooms, it uses the normal 3-D view
(And hopefully they don't push it back two years, ala TP... >>)
Doubt they will. Nintendo is announcing their game now closer to release date, due to many games having a deley problem (MKDS, ACWW, TP, MPH, ect.) My guess no longer then a year

Read the Bold.

 

[Shrike Flamestar]

Nintendo DOES not make any games

You should now that not everything on the internet is reliable.

IGN. They have a partnership with Nintendo. Type in any 2nd Party game, they will say [Game System] Game by [Company name here]. It will always be Nintendo.

Contradiction alert! It’s off the scale!

Are you even reading what I’m saying? Here’s a copy of my previous post just in case you somehow missed it:

You know, I really don’t do this often, but please.

Stop posting. Now.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Stop trying to act like you do. You are completely, utterly, undeniably wrong.

True, there is no second person shooter, but there is a second person POV. In writing it goes like this: “You walk to the store. There you see a bum on the street. You hate bums. You pull an Uzi out of nowhere and kill the bum. You run away from cops, saying that it was all GTA’s fault.” Obviously, there can be no second person video game (unless said game is a text adventure) but that POV still exists.

Your “example” is completely flawed and has absolutely no relevance to video game company parties. So ABC (Nintendo, I suppose) owns Fox (I guess that could be Hal). Then ABC/Nintendo puts shows/games on Fox/Hal?!?!?! Where the hell did you get that from?

I already explained it once: Nintendo has an agreement with Hal that all of Hal’s games will exclusively go on Nintendo’s systems. Yet Hal still has their own headquarters, staff, CEOs, and so on. They are a separate company from Nintendo (like a third party) but only will make games for Nintendo systems (like a first party). Same goes for all other second parties.

If you still insist on saying there is no such thing as a second party, just stop posting. Walk away from the computer, mumbling to yourself “Geeze, those people know nothing, second parties are myths!” but stop posting it here as all it is doing is driving this off topic.

Now, to keep on topic...

I suppose I would specifically like to see gameplay footage of Red Steel and Metroid Prime 3 as they are my most anticipated Wii games. Nintendo unveiling a next-gen Zelda would be awesome as well, however we already have Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass on the way, so I’m not getting my hopes up there...

Some awesome new DS games will be nice as well. Nothing as of late has really grabbed me... It needs more good RPGs for crying out loud! Golden Sun 3, anyone?

Get it through your thick skull already! Stop trying to refute a point which you are increasingly showing that you know nothing of!

 

[Solid Kirby]

You should now that not everything on the internet is reliable. Plus it lacks Nintendo Software Technologies, famous for MPH

If you scroll down the page, it has some more divisions, including NST. WHOAHMYGOD IT'S THERE.

Really, look for more than five seconds, and at the WHOLE Page, before spewing out BS.

I was refering to stories. There is First Person, Third Person, and Third Person Omniscent

You weren't specific, but I'll give you the benefit of a doubt, not that'll help you any. ;/

You did not read my previos post. Go look for yourself

More Spewing of BS! Watch yourself, because this topic's already covered with your Bovine Manure. =O

I did read your post. And It IS impossible. Y'know why? ABC isn't a company. it's a division of the Walt Disney Company. If the Walt Disney Company Dosn't own it, neither does ABC.

Furthermore, The News Corperation would have to sell all FOX rights to The Walt Disney Company before they can but ABC Shows on it.

Edit: I would also like to bring your attention to this quote:

Your “example” is completely flawed and has absolutely no relevance to video game company parties. So ABC (Nintendo, I suppose) owns Fox (I guess that could be Hal). Then ABC/Nintendo puts shows/games on Fox/Hal?!?!?! Where the hell did you get that from?

IGN. They have a partnership with Nintendo. Type in any 2nd Party game, they will say [Game System] Game by [Company name here]. It will always be Nintendo.

I HAVE PROOF THAT YOU DON'T DO THOROUGH RESEARCH, AND YOU HANDED IT TO ME ON A SILVER PLATTER.

True, it says "By Nintendo", but then again, it's called publishing. P-U-B-L-I-S-H-I-N-G. Got it memorized?
Axel impersonation aside, You want proof? Here. Search Pokemon Emerald. It will say that.
THEN LOOK HERE.
Or, since you might be ignorant and not look at the Game Details bar...
Published by: Nintendo
Developed by: Game Freak
Tah Dah.
Publisher means that they allowed the game to be made, put on the shelves, whatever. The "Publisher" is the company who owns the other company or the software division. (Or, in some cases, the company who has a contract with another company, Ala Capcom with the Game Boy LoZ games)

Developer means that's who actually put the time and effort to make the game. The Developer can either be a software division or a whole company.

See the difference?

Now, here's somthing to mull over. J.K. Rowling writes the Seventh Harry Potter book. She takes it to Schoolastic to have it published. Now, answer me this: Who would take the credit for the book? Rowling, Or Schoolastic? You decide.

Now, unless you have somthing else for me to disprove, STFU.

Edit: Darn you, Shrike Flamestar, you beat me to it. XD

 

[Zora]

JK Rowling. But what if Scholistic wasn't there? She could her book published by someone else

It was an example. In by example ABC and Fox can be replaced with ANY TV broadcaster.

Okay, but think about this? What if Nintendo did not own Gamefreak/Hudson/ect. Would they be making games that do today? Nope. See since Nintendo owns the characters AND takes part in the game making, it is First Party. I now they own the characters, because all of them were orginally designed by them. Second, Nintendo said that they made MPH, but Retro Studios helped them. Gamefreak can not go to Sony and make Pokmeon games, but JK can go to a different Publisher and get her book published exactly the same. Also in all credits have noticed:

Executive Producer(sp?): Saturo Iwata

Does not matter if Gamefreak makes the game, Nintendo still has the exucitive producer, thus is theres. They own the characters, they promote the product, they help in designing the game, they work with there companies to make the game. I am saying that Hudson and Gamefreak are Nintendo companies that just are labeled different.

This website says MP3 is first party:
http://www.n-sider.com/newsview.php?type=story&storyid=1794

 

[Solid Kirby]

JK Rowling. But what if Scholistic wasn't there? She could her book published by someone else

You answered my question. No need to drag it out to try to make your illogical point.

It was an example. In by example ABC and Fox can be replaced with ANY TV broadcaster.

You're accusing me of not reading, yet you haven't read ANY of our comments on this, it seems. What point are we getting across? Your argument is flawed (Wrong Way, Dip), and It's an impossibility BECAUSE NEITHER BRODCASTING CHANNEL IS THEIR OWN COMPANY.

Okay, but think about this? What if Nintendo did not own Gamefreak/Hudson/ect. Would they be making games that do today? Nope. See since Nintendo owns the characters AND takes part in the game making, it is First Party. I now they own the characters, because all of them were orginally designed by them. Second, Nintendo said that they made MPH, but Retro Studios helped them. Gamefreak can not go to Sony and make Pokmeon games, but JK can go to a different Publisher and get her book published exactly the same. Also in all credits have noticed:

Executive Producer(sp?): Saturo Iwata

Part One: Nintendo (First Party) Owns Characters such as Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda and the like, so they can't be on another console unless Nintendo Drops out of the console Biz. Second and Third Parties can be given rights to make games with these characters.

HAL (Second Party) own Kirby, so if Nintendo gives them the boot, they are, in fact, allowed to make Kirby games for Sony and Microsoft, unless I'm mistaken (And thus far, I'm not).

Sega (Third Party) own characters such as Sonic, so they can can make games for just about who they damn well please without any system restraints.

Part Two: It is apparant that you do not comprehend things you read well, because I already explained that publishers are the ones who allow the game to be made. Saturo Iwata is the president of Nintendo, SO OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO GET THE TITLE OF EXECUTIVE PRODUCER.

Part Three: Genius Points here, People. Hudson is a third party. All Credibility LOST.

Does not matter if Gamefreak makes the game, Nintendo still has the exucitive producer, thus is theres. They own the characters, they promote the product, they help in designing the game, they work with there companies to make the game. I am saying that Hudson and Gamefreak are Nintendo companies that just are labeled different.

Alright, here's the thing. True they're first party characters, but they're not first party games. Super Smash Bros is a Second Party Game. Mario Party is a third party game. LoZ: The Minish Cap is A Third Party Game. They are developed by someone OTHER than Nintendo or one of its development studios, thus, they are not first party. They are second or third party.

This website says MP3 is first party:
http://www.n-sider.com/newsview.php?type=story&storyid=1794

Oh. You're doing that thing again. What's that thing? I know what that thing is. That thing is on the tip of my tounge... OH OH. YOU'RE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AGAIN.

You should now that not everything on the internet is reliable.

I WIN! ^_^
BTW, It's not exactly a good official source, seeing as they list SSB3 as a first party game (It's developed by HAL, So it's second Party), and they have the PARASONIC Q Listed under Hardware. ¬¬

Really, this is the last time I'm going to say it kindly.
Do
your
homework
NOW,
or STFU.