Grei, I really don't care if you disagree with me, but I am entitled to my disdain. I am not blinded with nostalgia, I like many of the new Pokemon this generation, but the starters are not among them, and are definitley on my most disliked of all. I am not ignorant. There is no right or wrong.
"Lacking design concept"? Already your post is blaring "ignorance." The Snivy, Tepig, and Oshawott lines are all based on three separate cultures, as well has have different concepts placed into the overall designs.
I am very well aware of the cultural basis of the starters. It goes to show how they were not more upfront with the cultural impediment, not much with Wotter, but much more with Smuglord and somewhat with Emboar.
Oshawott is a Sea Otter, and by Daikenki he's gained the Sea Lion as well. It's a samurai and its shell armor resembles the armor of samurai in historical Japan.
I already know what he is based off of. For this to actually be evident, it should be Fighting type, have more armour, and be bipedal and resemble Futachimaru more than...it. All of these would aid it immensely with the type of "honour" code that is expressed with some of the fighting types. A pure water type sea lion with a sharp conch on its head does not represent Japan at all, and I know GameFreak could have done much better, as they have already. That is why Daikenki is a shame. It had potential, and it died.
Tepig is a Pig with fire concepts, which eventually becomes a wrestling fire pig.
A Fire/Fighting type has been done twice. A Suk Wong character has been done once. Gamefreak did both.
I fail to see how these designs are lacking concept, especially since they're thoughtful and clearly have effort put into them. I fail to see how their designs are bad when we have empty, thoughtless designs throughout Gen 1 (Voltorb, Seel, Ditto, Ponyta, Oddish, Goldeen, etc.) in comparison.
The starters are definitley supposed to be a cut above the rest. They are your partner for the whole game. I expect more, not less. The designs lack concept and execution of the basis could have been better.
What trope? Since when is a fire-breathing pig and a shell-sword-wielding otter a trope by any stretch of the imagination? Your logic is questionable.
Suk Wong Fire/Fighting starter, "royal" starter (Piplup) to name a few.
I'll admit Fire/Fighting isn't too creative, and Water and Grass are basic. But the Starters don't need to have crazy, never-before-typings to be good. That should be obvious.
Water/Fighting for Wotter is not crazy and Grass/Dark or Grass/Psychic is not crazy for Smuglord. Both are used typings that could be easily executed and evident in their design.
I thought you were so sure that they were lacking concepts in the first place. Plus, how can their concepts be "unmatching?" That's the stupidest thing I've heard all day, especially considering this is Pokemon you're talking about. Pokemon, with an eel that's pure-Electric with the ability to levitate. Pokemon, with a heart fish (in two different situations). Pokemon, with a steel praying mantis.
Pig and Fire aren't opposite concepts, they can work just fine together. Grass and Snake? Duh. Water and Sea Otter is a no-brainer, and Sea Otter and Samurai aren't opposites either. Sugimori just thought it'd be cool to have a blade-wielding otter and gave it a shell (which is fitting) as a sword.
Your complaint about "unmatching concepts" is a rather baseless one, considering that you don't seem to have any clue what you're talking about.
Slightly poor choice of words on my part. Simply, a quadrupedal swordsman does not work. The Samurai was much more evident in Futachimaru then Daikenki. And I'm not saying that they do not work, but other bases for the starters would have been so much more effective. Why settle for mediocrity?
And for the basis of Emboar, I have been incorrectly titling the story. It is called
Journey to the West and is Chinese, and the main character is
Sun Wukong, the basis for Infernape. I apologize.
In Journey to the West, Suk Wukong is accompanied by his boar companion, Zhu Bajie, another fighter, in his quest. That character
is the basis for Emboar. Both are Fire/Fighting types. I smell Copy Paste.
Right. Because a sea otter with shell armor and two shells fashioned into dual swords is completely unoriginal. I mean, it's just seen everywhere.
Mixing two random tropes together is the unoriginal part. And doing it badly is the bad part. It could be done nicely, Game Freak has done it before. I see it like Lady Gaga, weird or shocking does not equal art.
Actually, Jalorda's only considered better by many because of its Perversity Dream World ability. Daikenki, as an attacker, is superior.
I was referring to the in-game experience, in which the player is not likely to start with a Perversity Smuglord. And I've played with him on PO, he is not up to my liking. Sceptile is still a better sweeper.
I really don't care if you don't like my opinion, it still stands the starters this generation had potential and in my and many eyes, they lost it. How about you actually comment on my team instead of on my little rant?
Wow!!! I cant believe how negative anyone can get over the 5th gen pokemon!!! A lot of people say that Game Freak was running out of ideas on pokemon but that's because they were only looking into the pokemon themselves, not the reason why they look that way etc... i believe that the 5th gen pokemon are actually very creative and i do not see how anyone could say anything worse than the lack of creativity that gamefreak put into them...
One thing i think game freak could do in the next poke gens is to make the starters different types such as flying, fighting and rock... something like that maybe... or something like psychic, dark, fighting...
I don't hate the 5th generation. I think it's starter Pokemon are the worst of the series, but I have many favorites in the generation. But starter Pokemon are a crucial part of the game.
Anyways this has gotten off topic, and hasn't dealt with my team. Please comment on it!
