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What is your favorite group in Pokemon, the one for Pocket Monsters or AG?

Which group did you like the best?


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intergalactic platypus

Only rescues maidens
The first group. Brock has become more of a dead weight now then anyone was during Johto, I can't stand the Mary Sue-ish May, and Max just bothers me. I do like the show but the characters grate on me now
 

Medea

Excalibur
For the 3 people that will actually click this option, Orange Islands group (Ash/Misty/Tracey)
Hahaha! Oh I just have to die laughing!

Well yes, that's what I picked. But after that, I actually liked the other two groups equally so I'm not going to choose for second best.
 

DrThuganomics

Cascade Trainer
As much as I liked the dynamic back in the Kanto days between the initial group, Johto really made it way too stale. One the contrary, the new dynamics overall of the AG including the team are currently my favorite. Even if Brock is quite well a dead weight as intergalactic platypus said, Ash, May and Max and eventually the squinty-one are a more viewable and likeable cast of main characters IMO.
 

FlamingRuby

The magic of Pokemon
The Kanto Trio all the way! Ash, Misty, and Brock had such great chemistry.

Don't get me wrong, May is beautiful in the looks department, but in the personality department, she strikes me as blah.
 

Kabuto

little punks!
Its basically Misty versus May (and Max) since Brock and Ash remained in the group. And I've seen far too many of those for a lifetime.
 
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Crystal Clair

Well-Known Member
The original trio
Ash: he was the dumb one, naive, stupid and silly. Funny events that occured with him
Tom Ato (nuff said)
gets kicked out of Erika's gym and goes in the gym dressed fully as a girl

the Minnesota viking joke from the movie (although that was dub-added)
attempting to capture a Pidgey with his jacket (but he was really new at this
constantly being mistaken for mothers' sons leading to being hugged by big women
obsessing over his Pokemon league hat (mostly in Primape Problems though)

Misty: the practical one but still was a kid at times. She would never let someone get away with taking advantage of her friends and she is very smart
Examples of personality
episode with Tentacool and Tentacruel
her logic in Ghost of Maiden's peak, when Gastly says he's invinsible and she gets a cross, garlic and a stake
befriending the Marill in For Cryin' out loud


Brock: just as practical but got very girl crazy. From the early episodes of Pokemon he was intimidated in a way by Misty. And believe it or not, in the early episodes, he was embarrassed of letting his crush on some women be known
note: I took so much time writing about Ash and Misty that I cant really give too much on Brock


The OI group was pretty cool with Kenji but nothing beats classic for this

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The AG group
May: naive, performs in contests and loves to go shopping. No personality quirk that works with the group to make good watching.

Max: annoying but informative. The only thing he does somethimes is befriend the Pokemon of the day.

Brock: totally girl crazy, makes food and wants to be a breeder b

ut never had an egg [SPOIL]even though he has Usohatchi[/SPOIL]

Ash: very responsible, mature, and determined. Lost his personality by the end of Johto.
A+M&M+B= not something I enjoy watching
A+M+B= something enough to make me watch all the episodes
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so maybe I'm biased but that's what you get for watching the old episodes after seeing the boring, monotonous Pokemon we see today. And the dub makes it worse.

And by the way, there should be a sticky poll with Misty vs May so these redundant threads can stop appearing
 

S_P

Soul Trainer
I enjoyed the Kanto trio the most. There was definitely strong interaction. Satoshi made many mistakes, but many were entertaining, some were reasonable, and he learned from the mistakes. Takeshi looking at girls in Kanto were far more appealing, to the regards that it wasn't excessive and it was funny to a certain extent. Kasumi had a companion effect but interaction with Satoshi while interesting, was never perfect. Since this is charactre group, it somewhat ignores the weaknesses of the constructed battles, and the interaction among the group was by far a forte. In Jouto it was still good, but the filler era caused the focus to be on the presented pokemon or charactre. It also felt like if a person of the three were taken out, larger disaster strikes. Also, their adventures were more interesting in the Kanto days, spanning several different things. They also had the really depressing sounding music, which was my particular favourite because it presented the largest amount of emotion. Really good episodes like the first episode and Pikachu's Goodbye contained this music, as well as the end of Jouto, among other episodes. Sometimes you had episodes exclusively on the care of the characters among each other, or Satoshi with his pokemon. You had far more cases of them getting lost or separated, which was realistic among the resources that they had. The needed of each other increased because there were larger amounts of dangers more frequently. Kanto had it's shares of fillers, but early on the gym battle transitions were extremely quick. Getting to Cinnibar Island was much longer BUT it was also much further and was only accessible by sea. It felt somewhat distance consistent. Jouto had too many stops though, even though a select few episodes were rather interesting. By having so many encounters with so many people, a select few were indeed impressive.

As much as I like Haruka, it felt like two independent scenarios. If there was no Haruka, Satoshi could easily bypass anything contest related and it wouldn't even go out of the way of the storyline. Of course it would make little sense if Haruka wasn't a coordinator anyways, so her role could never have been anywhere similar to Kasumi's. Because of the Pokenavi, getting lost almost never occurs. Because of that, the characters needs to be together doesn't occur as often (it's definitely happened, but it seemed a lot less comparatively).

In AG, there were several times where Satoshi's mistakes were of ones that he had pretty much already made before. While there is Takeshi to assist Satoshi in battles, it also lacks Kasumi. Unfortunately, Haruka aside from great support, cannot really do that much to particularly assist Satoshi in his victories. Masato usually gets impressed by the realism effect of battling, but the fact that he was initially smarter strategically, it seemed too technical of him to place facts that were already obvious, which was also why he was a poorer battler by having too much statistical inferences. I liked the really early episodes of AG, where they had food problems. Being disgruntled seemed to occur much less among each other (despite many adventures where they were in trouble together and pulled through together), there was less teamwork effect. Usually when a scenario occurs, while they can work as a team, no matter what the situation is, at least one character is unable to implement support. Say they needed their pokemon out ... Masato has no pokemon. This was nice variety but it felt like there was much more bystanding.

There may have been more separate storylines and development, but they seem rather independent. It's like it's nice that Haruka has a nice relationship with Masato, but their family business is literally independent of Satoshi. And thus, these independent effects promote new travelling buddies, but doesn't assist in allocation for battling. In fact, it strayed further away from it. Technically, they could travel separately and still get the same goals done without much loss.

I personally enjoyed Kasumi and Takeshi's battle analysis and spectating more than Haruka and Masato with Takeshi.

I liked Satoshi's mistakes from Kanto but I absolutely hated the mistakes he made in Houen.

AG seemed far more explore and learn. A lot of derivations from the game were made. It may have been better drawn, better orchestrated, better looking, among other things, but it seemed too straightforward. There were several things from Kanto that had nothing to do with the game at all. It felt like it had more of the adventurous appeal (despite it's share of horrible episodes). I don't think I saw as many jokes in AG, it didn't seem as funny. A select few episodes were alright, but it dies out. It might be the overly familiar effect, but I still preferred incorporation of pokemon more than high presentation of pokemon. Basically, that meant having them go along with the episode, instead of having the episode particularly about them.

Jouto was too filler but AG seemed too showcase-ful. It's a bit too clear who has the advantage.

Lol the strengths of Kanto were adapting and accomodating weaknesses, or the composition of the weaknesses. I didn't like any of the failures from AG of battles or contests (or some wins for that matter). However, I thought losses had more meaning in Kanto. One is like a clean loss and the other is either getting jacked or a shouldn't-have-lost.

I think the biased effect have to do with the different times. Kanto has the nostalgia bias and AG has the current bias. Since I was more into pokemon then, there would be more bias of then than now because of the different experience.

It also might be the conciseness. Kanto was shorter, so it had less filler room. The episodes with more meaning felt more meaningful with the trio. Though in AG, it didn't feel the same. The newness effect was good, but the charactre composition could have been different. Again, take out someone from the trio and they're screwed. Take out someone from AG and they're not as screwed (though this could simply be from numbers since going from 3 to 2 is worse than 4 to 3 lol).

AG might have been a better season, but the charactre value seemed more important with the trio. It still had showcases but it was better incorporated.

If Satoshi didn't have companionship in Kanto he would have been swalled by a water current. (Well then again in AG were there no Haruka, Satoshi might have not been able to have gotten up that cliff as easily. I always like to think Haruka helped save him and Pikachu because supposedly she was supposed to stay at the lab.) Shrug, the trio needed each other more. I'd agree that the AG group were just there.

Trio produces good nostalgia. I don't feel nostalgic about AG (though they're the current group, so that probably factors into that). Good memories with the trio and their chemistry, but I don't really feel that sort of interaction among AG.

The mallet/gong/watergun/random item effect was also good. Haruka doesn't utilize any of that. :(

AG was better for showcasing, but it didn't feel as strong as group teamwork. 3 seems like needs to each other is at max. 4 seems excessive.
 

Yamato-san

I own the 5th gen
AG, of course. I'm sure some of you know my stance on having a travel party consist of gym leaders from the games, and having the same, uninteresting group for the three hellish years of Jouto didn't help. The Orange Island party got rid of one of those gym leaders, and I actually liked Kenji, but he still doesn't hold up to Masato and Haruka, the latter being a friggin co-star that gets her own side-plot to deviate from the norm we've had for the first 250 episodes. Unfortunately, Takeshi's the dead weight which keeps the AG group from being any more interesting, but god-willing he's dumped come Diamond/Pearl.
 

cold_katanagirl

Link Master
I did like Brock tons more in the old days, so that's a plus for the original group. Not to mention May fanboys didn't exist back then.

... But Misty was there back in the day.

Therefore, AG Group > Original. Yes, solely because of my hatred of Misty. Woot for bias!

But I have to admit, the old group seemed to have better interactions and such, the Hoenn/BF group can get a tad, er, monotonous at times.

... Oh, forgot about OI. Yeah, I don't care about it at the moment.

And it's rather ironic three people voted for the last option, when I posted this anyway.
 

Sika

Transcendence
I don't want to explain why I like AG main group the best, but I want to lol at the fact that 3 people have vote the Orange Islands group :p.
 

Anikin

Rebel
Well, my favourite group is the Advance Genaration group because thet had soo many struggles together, they were all more of a big happy family, the characters were a lot cooler than the ones before, etc.
 

Gravy

Contaminated KFC
I'm torn between the two, actually.
Yeah, I know there's an Orange Islands choice on that poll. But thats for Tracey fangirls/boys.

I like the AG characters as individuals, but in the subject of group interaction, they fall short and crash into the first hurdle. However, they don't break any bones or gain any serious injuries. Just a little scrape on the knee is all. In other words, I can get a few laughs out of them bickering with or competeting against rivals, antagonists and the odd filler character, but they just can't hack it in their usual quartet. The most we get are a few (fun) Haruka and Masato scenes, or Ash comforting Haruka.

And then we have the original cast. Now personally, I think their group dynamics were spot on for the most part. Each of them could take jabs at each other, and each of them had some sort of existing relationship with both remaining members of the group. And truth be told, I found it to be quite entertaining. The dunce, the PMS and the seemingly mature guy are clichés perhaps, but it worked.
But then you have to factor in Johto, which blissfully crapped all over that, bar a few sarcastic comments and one or two episodes.

So in short....my answer would be "I dunno", followed by a shrug of the shoulders and a somewhat lost-sounding "meh".
Hey, every poll needs the token indifferent guy. No?
 

Jo-Jo

blows stuff uhup
Ash, Misty and Brock all the way. They had great chemistry, and were such a definitive friendship group - I think of them as "the trio", much like I think of Luke/Han/Leia, Harry/Ron/Hermione, Buffy/Willow/Xander, Takato/Rika/Henry - or hey, Jessie/James/Meowth - as "the trio". I don't think of the AG group as "the quartet" (three's a more natural number for a travelling group than four, anyway). If one of the current cast were to leave, while I might be sad to lose a good character, I wouldn't feel sad because "oh no, they can't break up the AG four!" Whereas every time Ash is separated from either Misty or Brock, it feels like his team is missing a vital component.

Part of the problem, like S_P and Gravy said, is that the writers never bothered to make each individual dynamic within the main group interesting and distinct. Ash, Brock, May and Max spend too much time being polite to each other and having generic conversations that you could just as easily imagine occurring between Ash and a CotD. The only really developed inter-twerp relationships are May/Max and Ash/May, with a little Ash/Max, and Ash/Brock as a carry-over from Kanto/Johto. I think one reason for this might be that the writers overstretched themselves with four in the group (hence why it would have been better to stick with three). Another reason is that May is so important she hogs most of the non-Ash screentime that in the past was divided evenly between Misty, Brock and Team Rocket.

To be honest, I think that bringing in a co-star in the first place was a bit of a mistake. Pokemon was originally designed as a show that revolves around a central character - much like Harry Potter, Buffy, Digimon Tamers and Star Wars, in fact. Trying to turn the show into a two-person story made everything extremely cluttered, with Ash and May getting all the spotlight and leaving Brock, Max and TR with next to nothing. In addition, it resulted in an odd split narrative, where half the time the cast is doing gym stuff, the other half contest stuff, and the two never seem to particularly link up. S_P said it best - May gets all this development with Max, Drew, Harley, oneshot co-ordinators, and so on, and none of it has anything to do with Ash. Similarly, you could cut May out of Ash's journey in Hoenn and very little would change. What May really needed to be was a heroine in her own right, with star billing - except that she can't have that, because she was shoehorned into a show that already had a star, thus forcing her into a kind of weird secondary role.

IMO, what the writers should have done, if they wanted to include the May/contest sidestory, was create a spin-off. That way, May could have headed her own show, with Max as her companion, while Ash could have continued travelling in Hoenn with his established sidekicks, Misty and Brock. Unfortunately, a spinoff anime ever being made seems unlikely to happen.

Those are my thoughts, anyway. *shrug*
 
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Kanto, I mean they were all fresh, had tonnes and tonnes of possiblity for the future and such. Hoenn was alright, May and Max had some classic episodes and moments as did Tracey (well not so many for Tracey). Kanto.

Jo-Jo said:
Buffy/Willow/Xander
Yay for Buffy. And you could also say Angel, Cordy and Doyle (or Wesley, depending if you count Doyle and his only 14 episode-ness) for Angel. [/random]
 

High Commander Solomon

This is MADNESS!
I voted for the OI group because being different is fun. Seriously, nobody actually likes Tracey. I agree - I think these writers are incompetent at writing more than three characters at once, but I'm not sold on the group dynamics of the originals being all that great. I still have the awful taste of Johto stuck in my mouth, so...
 
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