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What is your favorite/least favorite thing about the Physical/Special split?
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kryptonite krunch
The Poisonous Ninja
Moves like calm mind and nasty plot actually make a difference. Before, I found it completey useless to use moves that boost your EVs. Well, if you had well trained pokemon, which I always had, then it felt really useless. But, now, you pretty much need to use dragon dance, calm mind etc. etc. if you want to suceed.
The spilit definitly made movesets make more sense.
The spilit definitly made movesets make more sense.
Typhlosion Trainer
Fire Trainer
The splits made actual moves that were special when they should have been physical, physical. Like Fire Punch.
swampert55
Well-Known Member
It made a few UU/NU Pokemon like Aggron and Beautifly slightly better, but it also overpowered OUs like Tyranitar.
themonsteroftheisland
Well-Known Member
Pros: The moves FINALLY make sense, all pokemon now have potentially viable STAB attacks, a lot more flexibility all around
Cons: Some fun toys were blunted, like physical Hidden Powers, Charizard's Outrage, Shadow Ball being changed from physical.
Ah well, nothing is perfect, and not too many pokemon were overall hurt by this swap. Note: Leaf-blade got a power boost, from 70 to 90, which corresponds with the 20 point disparity between Sceptile's Special Attack and Attack. Also note that Energy Ball, while lacking the critical hit chance, does have a chance to lower special defense AND has a 10 point boost on the original Leaf Blade.
So Sceptile's attacking options have slightly changed, but there aren't as many downsides to leaf blade's defection as some people seem to think.
Cons: Some fun toys were blunted, like physical Hidden Powers, Charizard's Outrage, Shadow Ball being changed from physical.
Ah well, nothing is perfect, and not too many pokemon were overall hurt by this swap. Note: Leaf-blade got a power boost, from 70 to 90, which corresponds with the 20 point disparity between Sceptile's Special Attack and Attack. Also note that Energy Ball, while lacking the critical hit chance, does have a chance to lower special defense AND has a 10 point boost on the original Leaf Blade.
So Sceptile's attacking options have slightly changed, but there aren't as many downsides to leaf blade's defection as some people seem to think.
Firehawk10590
Never lost a randbat
About Leaf Blade: A Physical Sceptile set is now viable, due to Swords Dance and a good physical movepool (Leaf Blade, Dragon Claw, Earthquake).Pros: The moves FINALLY make sense, all pokemon now have potentially viable STAB attacks, a lot more flexibility all around
Cons: Some fun toys were blunted, like physical Hidden Powers, Charizard's Outrage, Shadow Ball being changed from physical.
Ah well, nothing is perfect, and not too many pokemon were overall hurt by this swap. Note: Leaf-blade got a power boost, from 70 to 90, which corresponds with the 20 point disparity between Sceptile's Special Attack and Attack. Also note that Energy Ball, while lacking the critical hit chance, does have a chance to lower special defense AND has a 10 point boost on the original Leaf Blade.
So Sceptile's attacking options have slightly changed, but there aren't as many downsides to leaf blade's defection as some people seem to think.
I dont mind the difference between atk. and sp.atk. Its more the def. and sp.def. that bothers me. Its hard to find a pokemon with good spatk or atk + good defence and special defence. Basicly, pokemon with good spdef+def always have a crappy stat like speed or spatk/atk.
pokemaster001
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look at my first post, before the posts, there were already like 10 people talking about it and I hate repetitive threads<___<
Just because two people cite the same example does not imply that they are unoriginal...
Witch of 'Cos
i love the pee pees
My favourite thing about it is some pokemon were finally able to use their STABs. Such as Gyarados, Salamence and Gengar.
Minor nitpick I know...buuut....Gyro Ball.It just makes everything make sense to me. I hated having to remember what types did physical or special. Now I just have to think about what the move does. Like when something says beam or ball I think of special.
DarkLegend
The Grand Draconian
I toss a giant steel ball in your face....
That is pretty physical...
They seemed to use some physics here.
The faster an object moves, the more momentum it carries...
So when the fast object collides with another... the momentum gets instantky canceled out and the resulting force affects the object
In Pokemon's case... damage...
That is pretty physical...
They seemed to use some physics here.
The faster an object moves, the more momentum it carries...
So when the fast object collides with another... the momentum gets instantky canceled out and the resulting force affects the object
In Pokemon's case... damage...
I cant think of a name
uck you!
My favorite thing is that the game is more realistic. I don't really have a least favorite though.
Trainer Emily
Fairies do exist!!!
The good thing about it...
It makes the game having more sense, like shadow ball & hyper beam turning special and crunch & the elemental punches physical.
And it also made 2 good HMs, as opposed to only Surf as the only good HM. Now there's Waterfall for the physical attackers.
It also makes certain pokemon more versatile (i.e. Physical-type/Physical-type Pokemon with higher special attack & Special-type/Special-type Pokemon with higher attack, like the Poison/Ghost Gengar & Ice/Dark Sneasel AKA Weavile).
Not much for the disadvantages, except that it completely eliminated any 100%-accurate Physical Rock-type attacks, like Ancientpower turning special...and the new Power Gem is also Special.
It makes the game having more sense, like shadow ball & hyper beam turning special and crunch & the elemental punches physical.
And it also made 2 good HMs, as opposed to only Surf as the only good HM. Now there's Waterfall for the physical attackers.
It also makes certain pokemon more versatile (i.e. Physical-type/Physical-type Pokemon with higher special attack & Special-type/Special-type Pokemon with higher attack, like the Poison/Ghost Gengar & Ice/Dark Sneasel AKA Weavile).
Not much for the disadvantages, except that it completely eliminated any 100%-accurate Physical Rock-type attacks, like Ancientpower turning special...and the new Power Gem is also Special.
Umbreon-dana
Phat Philanthropist
Hidden Power on both fronts, Flareon can actually use a Physical STAB for a positive, Physical Ice Shard on the negative (poor Glaceon ;_; ), special Shadow Ball on the positive, Sneasel line has some use, and a useful Hitmonchan.
Fwee.
Fwee.
Onyx Umeki
Mrph...how impudent.
Yeah, Flareon got messed up in this game...
It still is decent though
It still is decent though
First off, let me say I LUV THE PHYSICAL/SPECIAL SPLIT!!!....*cough* um, excuse that. Anyways, to give actual reasons as to why...
Good:
1.) Attacks make sense.
.....For example, Hyper Beam is...well, a beam that is hyper. So, why was the attack based on physical attack stats?? Sure, some loved that little fact (Gyarados) but it still made no sense. Now, a game about fantasy has logic....which I'm sure is good...
2.) Some Pokemon get to utilize their great stats.
.....Gyarados is my favorite Water~type. In R/B/Y, he was a force to be reckoned with. BUT in G/S/C, his Special Attack stat went way down. Water attacks were not his forte any longer. With the Physical/Special split, Gyarados has a chance at using some quality Water attacks again. Hitmonchan is smiling too.
3.) Strategy gets more strategic.
.....Basically, battles feel like actual battles.
Bad
1.) Some Pokemon lose what made them special.
.....Sceptile wants his Leaf Blade back. Leafeon refuses to give it back. Not to mention all the ghosts that lost their poor Shadow Balls.
2.)...um.........uh........that's really it.
Good:
1.) Attacks make sense.
.....For example, Hyper Beam is...well, a beam that is hyper. So, why was the attack based on physical attack stats?? Sure, some loved that little fact (Gyarados) but it still made no sense. Now, a game about fantasy has logic....which I'm sure is good...
2.) Some Pokemon get to utilize their great stats.
.....Gyarados is my favorite Water~type. In R/B/Y, he was a force to be reckoned with. BUT in G/S/C, his Special Attack stat went way down. Water attacks were not his forte any longer. With the Physical/Special split, Gyarados has a chance at using some quality Water attacks again. Hitmonchan is smiling too.
3.) Strategy gets more strategic.
.....Basically, battles feel like actual battles.
Bad
1.) Some Pokemon lose what made them special.
.....Sceptile wants his Leaf Blade back. Leafeon refuses to give it back. Not to mention all the ghosts that lost their poor Shadow Balls.
2.)...um.........uh........that's really it.
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Shadow chaser
Holla Front!
Pursuit is now physical yes! And finally there's a good and decent attack for grass types(Energy ball) and the invention of nasty plot.
Bad things? Alakazam loosing his punches!
Bad things? Alakazam loosing his punches!
actually the base power of Leaf Blade increased by 20, so it's just as powerful on Sceptile as it was on the 3rd gen games.Bad
1.) Some Pokemon lose what made them special.
.....Sceptile wants his Leaf Blade back. Leafeon refuses to give it back. Not to mention all the ghosts that their misplaced Shadow Balls.
ChuklaeAquos
Glalie fan!
actually the base power of Leaf Blade increased by 20, so it's just as powerful on Sceptile as it was on the 3rd gen games.
i think what LeoP2008 is saying is he wants Sceptile to be the only one (besides Grovyle) to be able to learn leaf blade and leafeon to never learn it.
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