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What is your tolerance for character incompetence trainer wise?

paulcreated

New Member
After so many years we’ve seen a lot of beginning trainers in the anime, some start off a lot more competent than others. What is your tolerance for character incompetence as a trainer?

Ash started off as an idiot in Kanto. May didn’t know anything about Pokémon. Dawn started off with knowledge but got too overconfident and it led to her depression streak. Serena took a long time to even get into battling or be a trainer. Lillie didn’t know how to battle or throw a pokeball.

What’s your tolerance for these rookie/beginning trainer phases?
 

TheWanderingMist

Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned
High. No one starts out competent.
 

TheWanderingMist

Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned
Iris? She has like 99 wins before she even started her journey.
She didn't know Charizard wasn't a dragon, her Excadrill didn't listen to her, she had plenty of problems before starting her journey.
 

TheWanderingMist

Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned
But she knew how to battle. All the other girls start off as practically helpless or incompetent.
Misty didn't.
May had basically never seen Pokemon, somehow.
Dawn didn't know anything either.
Iris essentially "started" before meeting Ash, back when she was a little kid and met Drayden.
 
more of them should start off like iris. it was clear she was a rookie who wasn't very knowledgeable but she still wasn't pathetic and helpless. not knowing how to throw a ball is ridiculous and ~being a rookie~ doesn't justify that
 

Sham

redeemed hero and true friend
She didn't know Charizard wasn't a dragon, her Excadrill didn't listen to her, she had plenty of problems before starting her journey.
Well Charizard is a Kanto starter and not native to Unova. Pokémon from other regions only appear in Eastern Unova and it was select few. Her not knowing Charizard was a honest mistake and not the weirdest thing.
 

TheWanderingMist

Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned
Well Charizard is a Kanto starter and not native to Unova. Pokémon from other regions only appear in Eastern Unova and it was select few. Her not knowing Charizard was a honest mistake and not the weirdest thing.
Girl lived in village of dragon masters. Drayden was her mentor. Really it's something she should have known.
 

Sham

redeemed hero and true friend
Girl lived in village of dragon masters. Drayden was her mentor. Really it's something she should have known.
But it’s not like she thought something like Mewoth was a Dragon, Charizard appears to be a Dragon (and even a generation later was able to become one) it wasn’t out of the realm of possibilities. Unova is far away from Kanto so I doubt they’d be educating children about far away places and their customs/Pokémon daily. I really don’t know why people expected her to know that like numerous of characters haven’t mistyped Pokémon way worse. It’s like asking your everyday American to know a bunch of Japanese knowledge; they’re bound to get something wrong.
 

TheWanderingMist

Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned
But it’s not like she thought something like Mewoth was a Dragon, Charizard appears to be a Dragon (and even a generation later was able to become one) it wasn’t out of the realm of possibilities. Unova is far away from Kanto so I doubt they’d be educating children about far away places and their customs/Pokémon daily. I really don’t know why people expected her to know that like numerous of characters haven’t mistyped Pokémon way worse. It’s like asking your everyday American to know a bunch of Japanese knowledge; they’re bound to get something wrong.
Actually, given the average American, I'd expect a rather high amount of random Japanese knowledge due to both the anime and historical factors.
 

TheWanderingMist

Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned
Did anyone else dislike how Lillie couldn't even throw a pokeball? Watch the ep where Vulpix hatches and she tries to capture it, she can't even throw a ball and Snowy had to go into the ball itself.
The girl was too terrified of Pokemon to touch them. Why would she magically know how to throw a Poke Ball?
 

Sham

redeemed hero and true friend
She was standing far away from Vulpix, she only had trouble touching it. Likewise she's shown to be very unathletic in other episodes, which reinforces the girly = weak stereotype. Serena suffered from this as well a bit. The older girls may not have known much about pokemon, but they didn't hesitate to get their hands dirty.
Lillie was by no means girly. She was feminine yes but not girly. She was terrified of Pokémon and sheltered in a mansion for most of her life. She joined the Pokémon School to learn the stuff she SHOULD of known.
 

Satoshi & Touko

Glimwood Tangle is Literal Dreamland
To answer the thread's actual question, my tolerance is about as high as possible, seeing as I never have any investment in any characters or their goals. Personality and traits is what I'm more into.
 

Leonhart

Imagineer
I can usually tolerate trainers who aren't very strong or skilled if they're newbies, but when it's an established character like Satoshi during Best Wishes who made mistake after mistake in many battles, that's when I get irked.
 

TwilightBlade

Well-Known Member
Whatever was wrong with Cameron from the Unova region is my limit for how incompetent a seasoned trainer can be because forgetting to bring a Pokemon to a full battle is where I draw the line.

As for new trainers, they should have common sense and should know the basics of throwing a Pokeball.
 

Thumbs2

Well-Known Member
It's all about consistency. If a character has a flaw and that leads them to mess up, that's fine. If they mess up because the plot needs them to mess up, that's lame.
 
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