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What's Your Opinion on Cloning Pokemon?

Discussion in 'General Pokémon Discussion' started by Shadow_Trainer, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. Shadow_Trainer

    Shadow_Trainer Event Marquis

    I know a lot of people are ok with clones and a few are not. Personally, as long as it can be done in game (unless Nintendo/Gamefreak patches it out) without the use of external devices, cloning is fine.

    And your thoughts?
  2. BCVM22

    BCVM22 Well-Known Member

    It's not a sanctioned game mechanic. It's a glitch, not a feature, and it is not intended to be used.

    The caveat to that, of course, is whether anyone cares that you use it. If you're cloning rare Pokémon for yourself, that's your decision and your business. If you start handing out those clones of rare Pokémon, then it becomes someone else's business. They may not care either, but common courtesy would be to tell them ahead of time that the Pokémon is not 100% legitimate.
  3. RedJirachi

    RedJirachi Veteran member

    Well it got us Mewtwo, so I think...oh wait, never mind.

    Sorry, the joke was too obvious not to use
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  4. WishIhadaManafi5

    WishIhadaManafi5 Werewolf of London

    I'm fine with it via the older games (meaning around Emerald Version). But I'm not fine with it when it has to rely on Online to be able to clone.
  5. AuroraBeam

    AuroraBeam Well-Known Member

    I think it's fine for personal use as long as you don't use it to maliciously take advantage of someone else. And if you do give them to anyone, do inform them.

    I personally think its really neat to learn about these glitches and see how truly exploitable some of them (especially early gens) are.
  6. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Happy Minun

    It's hacking in my opinion, you use external software to break into the game and generate a clone. And the fact that you already had one just like it before doesn't change anything. But it's fine to trade clones on these forums as far as I know, even if you don't mention it, so I presume Serebii thinks differently about it. Same with hacking into the random number generator to generate extremely rare combinations of IV+shiny+nature
  7. Jirachi100

    Jirachi100 Kirby Fan

    If it's from a glitch (Like the one in Emerald, for example) and it's only for personal use and not trading, then I think it's fine.
    If it's from a third party source, it's not really okay since that is hacking. It's also not very polite to trade clones without letting the recipient know, especially if they hate clones.
  8. Auraninja

    Auraninja I'm ready to Smash

    One of my Pokemon is a Blaziken that was cloned on accident.

    It really depends though. How did you clone it? Are you trading it? Does the other person know about the cloning?

    I don't consider it really hacking, but like hacking, you should let the other person know.
  9. WishIhadaManafi5

    WishIhadaManafi5 Werewolf of London

    I'm curious. What are your guys thoughts on cloned events? Since not everyone can make it to an event. I got one of those from a friend before since the event took place far away from where I'm at.
  10. BCVM22

    BCVM22 Well-Known Member

    The same. Cloning is not a sanctioned game mechanic, so there's no situation where it's "more" okay or "less" okay. But again, it's all a matter of who's doing it, for whom, and why. If all of the involved parties are aware it's a clone and not an original Pokémon received legitimately, and none of them care, then that's their business.
  11. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Happy Minun

    Problem with that reasoning is that it is very naive. Do you honestly believe that people that clone or hack or RNG abuse or whatever are going to tell other people they do that, especially if they want to trade for something else and run the risk of not getting said trade or battle if the other party knew about their cheating? These are people that are already cheating, why trust them to be honest in trading?
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  12. BCVM22

    BCVM22 Well-Known Member

    That's not naivety at all. You chose to ignore the "if" that I wrote in that sentence for that very reason. I will repeat it for you, as needed:

    "IF all of the involved parties are aware it's a clone and not an original Pokémon received legitimately, and none of them care, then that's their business."

    To be clear, I don't think you're disagreeing with me, or if you are, I'd suggest reading closer. Cloning is an unintended, unsanctioned, and abused glitch, unequivocally. But people are going to use it anyway, frequently under the (wrong) justification of "well, it's in the game, so it's not illegal." And so when they choose to make use of that glitch, so long as all involved parties - themselves, or themselves and a trade parter - are aware of the mechanics involved, then that's their business. To be even more clear, just in case I need to be so, cloning Pokémon and then giving them to people without informing the recipient of the Pokémon's cloned origins is absolutely wrong.
  13. keepitsimple

    keepitsimple Killua was robbed

    I don't care and I don't see anything wrong with trading someone a cloned pokemon without telling them. If they need to know so badly, it's their job to ask. If they didn't ask, that's their own fault. Everyone knows clones are safe anyway, so what they don't know won't hurt them.
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2018
  14. PrinceOfFacade

    PrinceOfFacade Ghost-Type Master

    I'm kinda the same, but for slightly different reasons.

    Once Gen 4 came around, and the series became more fine tuned, especially with online play, cloning seemed much less of a desirable feature. I think for me, online trading made me stop cloning, especially with Gen 4. Online trading was so huge around that time given it was brand new, with over 3 million trades a day at its peak (I remember the stats the site used to show, it was awesome). Getting the pokemon you want was incredibly easy, so cloning was a thing of the past. It's been that way for me ever since, so I'm good with it.
  15. WishIhadaManafi5

    WishIhadaManafi5 Werewolf of London

    Yea same here. Only issue is with dealing with rip off trades. That's mainly when I usually traded clones. Since they wanted something so rare that it was a pita to get. Now... it's that much more impossible via the GTS. I don't really bother with uber rare Pokemon anymore.
  16. As long as you don't use external devices cloning is fine in my opinion. I've cloned a ton in generation 3 and traded them in generation 4. However I always specified which of the pokemon I was trading were clones and also stated that I accepted clones. Just so people know what I'm exactly offering and no one feels ripped off since they knew what they traded for.
  17. Leonhart

    Leonhart Disney fanatic

    I'm pretty sure that cloned Pokemon are the same as "legitimate" Pokemon in the sense that they're simply copies of the same data, so I don't particularly mind getting cloned Pokemon from trades.
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  18. Zero1999

    Zero1999 Well-Known Member

    Don't see a problem with it, unless the cloned pokemon is modified in terms of abilities, illegal moveset,etc
  19. malcolm_n

    malcolm_n Pokemon Collector

    For casual gaming, do what you want. Personally, I don't want anything that's not fairly captured/raised in a trade, and anything that won't pass into the next generation is obviously a no-go.
  20. Morton Belgram

    Morton Belgram Well-Known Member

    It doesn't really hurt anyone and neither do I see a reason why it would bother anyone, so yeah, clone as much as you like.
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